On May 29 2012 09:45 oOOoOphidian wrote: I'll be casting again tonight. http://www.twitch.tv/ooooophidian Might be solo cast again, not sure if L_Master is available.
And holy shit is that a stacked lineup! :o
I won't be cause of my class but I will be trying to cast 1200 KST PL matches whenever I don't have work.
On May 29 2012 15:10 Grobnik wrote: It's nice to see a TvZ - SC1 or SC2 - in Proleague. Way too much toss lately!
Indeed.
heh, Sayle's comment about marine range in SC2 reminds me of the Strelok vs Revival game at the Chinese IEM where they accidentally played on a map with range 7 marines that dealt double damage and they didn't realise till the game was over xD
On May 29 2012 15:10 Grobnik wrote: It's nice to see a TvZ - SC1 or SC2 - in Proleague. Way too much toss lately!
Indeed.
heh, Sayle's comment about marine range in SC2 reminds me of the Strelok vs Revival game at the Chinese IEM where they accidentally played on a map with range 7 marines that dealt double damage and they didn't realise till the game was over xD
On May 29 2012 15:10 Grobnik wrote: It's nice to see a TvZ - SC1 or SC2 - in Proleague. Way too much toss lately!
Indeed.
heh, Sayle's comment about marine range in SC2 reminds me of the Strelok vs Revival game at the Chinese IEM where they accidentally played on a map with range 7 marines that dealt double damage and they didn't realise till the game was over xD
On May 29 2012 15:17 Nesto wrote: hm, why are those defilers so late?
Zero saw the number of marines and thought it was a 5 rax build (which means early aggression). So he squeezed as many Lair-tech units as possible, and delayed his tech significantly. Poor read by him.
On May 29 2012 15:10 Grobnik wrote: It's nice to see a TvZ - SC1 or SC2 - in Proleague. Way too much toss lately!
Indeed.
heh, Sayle's comment about marine range in SC2 reminds me of the Strelok vs Revival game at the Chinese IEM where they accidentally played on a map with range 7 marines that dealt double damage and they didn't realise till the game was over xD
On May 29 2012 15:24 hmmm... wrote: fantasy is easily better than flash right now
lol, based on that game? Flash has an 11 game win streak vs Zerg. I'll admit Flash's TvP isn't as consistent atm but I'd still back him in a bo5 vs anyone in the scene (including fanta).
On May 29 2012 15:24 hmmm... wrote: fantasy is easily better than flash right now
lol, based on that game? Flash has an 11 game win streak vs Zerg. I'll admit Flash's TvP isn't as consistent atm but I'd still back him in a bo5 vs anyone in the scene (including fanta).
I'd say Fanatsy's TvP is better than Flash, TvT hard to say, but here again I'd call it in Fanta's favor, really close. TvZ it's probably Flash, but it doesn't really matter because who the hell can beat any of them in the form they're in ? Hard to call but Fanta is probably the better player right now.
On May 29 2012 15:24 hmmm... wrote: fantasy is easily better than flash right now
In BW maybe , but Flash looks like is practising more SC2 for PL since it has bigger influence with the ACE match
all those 1-2 week differences in practice players are suffering right now will be gone in few months, people should stop focusing on whats going now, because its mostly a build order roulette.
On May 29 2012 15:24 hmmm... wrote: fantasy is easily better than flash right now
lol, based on that game? Flash has an 11 game win streak vs Zerg. I'll admit Flash's TvP isn't as consistent atm but I'd still back him in a bo5 vs anyone in the scene (including fanta).
I'd say Fanatsy's TvP is better than Flash, TvT hard to say, but here again I'd call it in Fanta's favor, really close. TvZ it's probably Flash, but it doesn't really matter because who the hell can beat any of them in the form they're in ? Hard to call but Fanta is probably the better player right now.
It was more the 'easily' comment that's retarded. You can make an argument for Fantasy playing slightly better BW atm but him vs Flash is no better than 50:50 (Flash's best mu, 75% win rate and 68% head to head)
One thing that could be good for Light is that Bisu rarely builds carriers lategame . And from my following of the scene Light really sucks against carriers .
On May 29 2012 15:42 ppshchik wrote: And this Light guy is supposedly to be the Clide of Broodwar, my ass lol
well he did lose
That's perfectly describe Clide
Poor Clide and Tastosis...
Clight
bwahahahaha.
Well Woongjin can't be too disappointed with how that set went given the respective line ups. Will have to hope they can turn it around in SC2 but that's going to be kinda tough since Sun and Best already showed decent aptitude for the game and I'd be surprised if both aren't played
On May 29 2012 16:22 cablesc wrote: Damn. Best just as good at macroing in SC2 as he is in BW.
As a Zerg that made the switch from bw to sc2 a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that macro in Sc2 is so much easier... You have more time to spend on micro/decision/strategy than in bw.
On May 29 2012 16:22 cablesc wrote: Damn. Best just as good at macroing in SC2 as he is in BW.
As a Zerg that made the switch from bw to sc2 a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that macro in Sc2 is so much easier... You have more time to spend on micro/decision/strategy than in bw.
Thanks for telling us what most of us already know for 2 years already. Also, sc2 protoss macro is way way way different then sc:bw protoss macro.
On May 29 2012 16:24 rysecake wrote: Best transitioning pretty well so far. 2-0 pvp now. Now if only he can teach bisu to not walk down a ramp being guarded by rampstasis...
On May 29 2012 16:22 cablesc wrote: Damn. Best just as good at macroing in SC2 as he is in BW.
As a Zerg that made the switch from bw to sc2 a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that macro in Sc2 is so much easier... You have more time to spend on micro/decision/strategy than in bw.
It is easier relative to BW but it's still prone to mistakes and carelessness. Also like in BW, some players are just naturally better at macro than others.
On May 29 2012 16:22 cablesc wrote: Damn. Best just as good at macroing in SC2 as he is in BW.
As a Zerg that made the switch from bw to sc2 a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that macro in Sc2 is so much easier... You have more time to spend on micro/decision/strategy than in bw.
Thanks for telling us what most of us already know for 2 years already. Also, sc2 protoss macro is way way way different then sc:bw protoss macro.
On May 29 2012 16:22 cablesc wrote: Damn. Best just as good at macroing in SC2 as he is in BW.
As a Zerg that made the switch from bw to sc2 a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that macro in Sc2 is so much easier... You have more time to spend on micro/decision/strategy than in bw.
everyone knows that sc2 macro is easier than bw, multitasking and micro are those mechanical skills which makes difference between players in sc2.
On May 29 2012 16:37 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: How was BeSt's game? didnt get to see :/
Basically Best just rolled Flying with great defensive play and then built up a larger colosus count while securing a third vs a 2 base Flying, Flying tried to attack, failed miserably and then Best rolled over him.
Omg i just realized how much more fun watching is without looking at the production tap. I now remember they showed it earlier with the dt shrine building but i totally forgot that and when he warped the DT´s in i was like Woh DTs omg omg... So much better obs style I love it.. They should really stick with the units tap instead of production tap.
On May 29 2012 16:42 Blackfish wrote: Omg i just realized how much more fun watching is without looking at the production tap. I now remember they showed it earlier with the dt shrine building but i totally forgot that and when he warped the DT´s in i was like Woh DTs omg omg... So much better obs style I love it.. They should really stick with the units tap instead of production tap.
Loved how the observer didn't show the Dark Shrine or the production tab. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention. Anyway, took me by surprise. We need more of this style observing in SC2.
On May 29 2012 16:43 Szgk wrote: Loved how the observer didn't show the Dark Shrine or the production tab. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention. Anyway, took me by surprise. We need more of this style observing in SC2.
On May 29 2012 16:43 Szgk wrote: Loved how the observer didn't show the Dark Shrine or the production tab. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention. Anyway, took me by surprise. We need more of this style observing in SC2.
Unfortunately this won't prevail, everyone wants as much information as they can, in BW it worked because they could get away with this because it was not in standard UI. But in SC2 it would be delibarate hiding informations. I agree its better to watch both games when there is still a suspense for a spectator but oh well...
On May 29 2012 16:47 Kommander wrote: damn these guys' macro is pretty shady lol
Shy's was alright, he just lost a ton of gateways and pylons when the doom drop came. Hard to spend for a while when you can't warp in anything despite mining a lot heh
On May 29 2012 16:43 Szgk wrote: Loved how the observer didn't show the Dark Shrine or the production tab. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention. Anyway, took me by surprise. We need more of this style observing in SC2.
Quick, someone tell Legend!
He actually switched to the units tab when the Shrine started building.
On May 29 2012 16:59 Dodgin wrote: if it goes to ace i want fantasy vs soulkey, gogo tvz.
I would be pretty surprised to see Fantasy after his last sc2 game, where he seemed to be allergic to reactors while going marine-tank. He still won, because he's awesome, but it was really strange!
On May 29 2012 16:51 Fionn wrote: Alright, NOW it should be Soulkey/By.Sun
Will Zero have a chance to play for Ace match?
No, Zero needed to play BW today and he wasn't in the lineup
Anyone can play ace matches. Doesn't matter what game they played last time. Are there any other rules I don't know of?
Only players that are in the lineup for the first 6 games can come out for the Ace match. This is to prevent having players focusing purely on SC2 to just win all the ace matches.
On May 29 2012 16:51 Fionn wrote: Alright, NOW it should be Soulkey/By.Sun
Will Zero have a chance to play for Ace match?
No, Zero needed to play BW today and he wasn't in the lineup
Anyone can play ace matches. Doesn't matter what game they played last time. Are there any other rules I don't know of?
Only players that are in the lineup for the first 6 games can come out for the Ace match. This is to prevent having players focusing purely on SC2 to just win all the ace matches.
Thanks for the info. Some of the writeups were a little vague.
On May 29 2012 16:59 Dodgin wrote: if it goes to ace i want fantasy vs soulkey, gogo tvz.
I would be pretty surprised to see Fantasy after his last sc2 game, where he seemed to be allergic to reactors while going marine-tank. He still won, because he's awesome, but it was really strange!
Wrong, fantasy won because of his awesome stutter step micro. Those orbitals didn't stand a chance.
On May 29 2012 17:08 Lann555 wrote: Bleh, am I the only one who really really hates ZvP? Why no TvZ?
ZvP right now just tends to be pretty 1D till the 15 minute mark with toss FFE meaning a slow early game, and then either a 2 base all in or a fast third and try to hold waves of roaches.
It's only after that things get interesting with runby's, warp prisms, and the careful positioning of hive tech vs mothership armies
We should be able to have one team for GSTL and one for proleague, I am rooting for SKT since the start, well actually MBChero since the start and now SKT.
soulkey needs to go hive put down spines and go for bls right now or hes fucked, sun is going to attack with a maxed immortal colossus sentry stalker army soon
On May 29 2012 17:16 Dodgin wrote: soulkey needs to go hive put down spores and go for bls right now or hes fucked, sun is going to attack with a maxed immortal colossus sentry stalker army soon
On May 29 2012 17:16 Dodgin wrote: soulkey needs to go hive put down spores and go for bls right now or hes fucked, sun is going to attack with a maxed immortal colossus sentry stalker army soon
Sorry Soulkey, but can you please change your name?
Min Chul will forever be associated with MC. Everytime the commentator goes Kim Min Chul I'm like "Huh? Shouldn't it be Jang?" before realizing, oh wait, that's Soulkey.
I think Soulkey's trapped. He can't really go past the middle ground to expand any more until he forces an engagement. Sun's got the mobility and map control here.
its getting out of control when the zerg gets 10 + BL's and u dont have atleast 12 archons and a vortex..+ he had too much immortals and on top of that the positioning on Antiga is so hard with that ramp at the center._> for protoss
On May 29 2012 17:31 Micket wrote: Impressed by Soulkey's lategame. 38 drones max.
Well he already got the army. The thing with infestor broodlord is that you either lose all your supply, or you lose nothing at all. So you actually don't really need much workers
On May 29 2012 17:31 Micket wrote: Impressed by Soulkey's lategame. 38 drones max.
Well he already got the army. The thing with infestor broodlord is that you either lose all your supply, or you lose nothing at all. So you actually don't really need much workers
Soulkey did do counterattacks and was very very patient.
Sun bungled that game thought he seems confused in the lategame PvZ.
On May 29 2012 17:30 Dodgin wrote: that was actually a terrible game from both sides im not sure why you guys are so happy about it
soulkey could have rolled him in the 5-6 min period where there was no mothership and he had bl/infestor but he just sat there
sun could have ended the game early but he didnt tech to colossus after he got his third up
sun engaged horribly at the end and got rolled
early-midgame was alright I guess
It wasn't a terrible game, it was a good game with errors on both sides.
Soulkey couldn't have attacked before mothership, 8 broodlords simply die to blink stalkers. Sun could have won earlier sure, and yeah the final engagement wasn't good.
On May 29 2012 17:32 General Nuke Em wrote: So why didn't sun attack when he had stalker immortal vs. pure roach again?
Because it's easy to be a backsit SC2 player and have the production tab and everything revealed . Sun killed the third and got his third up before SoulKey's why would he risk losing an engagement or a base race if he is ahead economicaly ?
On May 29 2012 17:30 Dodgin wrote: that was actually a terrible game from both sides im not sure why you guys are so happy about it
soulkey could have rolled him in the 5-6 min period where there was no mothership and he had bl/infestor but he just sat there
sun could have ended the game early but he didnt tech to colossus after he got his third up
sun engaged horribly at the end and got rolled
Soulkey couldn't really attack because he wasn't mining very much, he wasn't mining at his 4th and wouldn't be able to hold it at all if he lost his broodlords. They would trade armies and Sun would warp in a dozen blinkstalkers at a time and overwhelm him.
And yeah sun should have been able to end the game earlier, but soulkey kept turning him around with those counterattacks. sun could have handled those with a few units and just pushed and killed him.
The impressive thing about that game was soulkey's great job keeping sun off his back with the counterattacks letting him stay in the game.
was it the best game ever? No, but it definitely showed that soulkey knew what he needed to do to crawl back from a bad position. sun was just protoss
Hmm. I wonder what the Stars coach was expecting. You figure the SKT ace would be someone who played SC2 today, which was 2 toss and 1 failzerg. So why send out flying who didn't look good at pvp in the first set.
On May 29 2012 17:36 Klogon wrote: I love how when we watch proleague, everybody and their moms is a strategic genius in SC2 compared to these guys.
Easy to say what they should do, not easy to put yourself in their seat. It's always been like that, not just in Proleague.
It's also easy to be wrong. I'd say people are wrong more often than they are right, but usually people don't say these things when they watch GLS because there is just the implicit credibility of being in the GSL. But people are just more vocal when watching PL and are so strong so often.
On May 29 2012 17:33 Kiett wrote: These games are so dull.
IMO, non terran matchups are pretty dull despite being an SC2 zerg player myself.
Still waiting on a competent TvZ showing in proleague.
I agree, although I have to say I've seen some entertaining ZvZs lately. And if more people played PvZ like Ace did in the Up and Downs it would be more entertaining.
?SK's harass and army control was brilliant, I could care less about his lack of drones, this is something very easily addressed, very impressive game.
On May 29 2012 17:41 IshinShishi wrote: ?SK's harass and army control was brilliant, I could care less about his lack of drones, this is something very easily addressed, very impressive game.
His counterattacks and backstabs were pretty damn good, he bought time really really well. I was impressed by his play, way better then his previous PvZ
On May 29 2012 17:36 Klogon wrote: I love how when we watch proleague, everybody and their moms is a strategic genius in SC2 compared to these guys.
Easy to say what they should do, not easy to put yourself in their seat. It's always been like that, not just in Proleague.
It's also easy to be wrong. I'd say people are wrong more often than they are right, but usually people don't say these things when they watch GLS because there is just the implicit credibility of being in the GSL. But people are just more vocal when watching PL and are so strong so often.
You must not read LR threads that involve Code S level players...
On May 29 2012 17:36 Klogon wrote: I love how when we watch proleague, everybody and their moms is a strategic genius in SC2 compared to these guys.
Easy to say what they should do, not easy to put yourself in their seat. It's always been like that, not just in Proleague.
It's also easy to be wrong. I'd say people are wrong more often than they are right, but usually people don't say these things when they watch GLS because there is just the implicit credibility of being in the GSL. But people are just more vocal when watching PL and are so strong so often.
You must not read LR threads that involve Code S level players...
Interview translated by Kimoleon on nanashin's stream.
q - congrats soulkey Soulkey - ty
q - there was lots of expectations of you Soulkey - lots of ppl may have expected too much
q - you gotta listen to this on radio, so calm
q - in such a tough game, giving up hatcheries and getting barely enough gas, this kind of management do you enjoy playing Soulkey - I practiced a lot of late game zvp, doing this before I was comfortable
q - what do you feel about zvp, is there a way or more ways to do Soulkey - it is tough, but it is doable, go into late game almost can't lose
q - like sc1's iron wall style you used? Soulkey - I think I can do the same in sc2
q - soulkey, your kind of iron defense, what focus unit would be Soulkey - all units are good, but I think roaches are important
q - gotta use roaches somehow, but they take up supply, lots of zergs suffer using it Soulkey - if you exchange well, it is a good unit
q - really your play, are you confidence in other matchups as well? Soulkey - I think I won't lose in vT and vZ q - ohhhhhhh Soulkey - terran and zerg, they have no chance to win q - this confidence!
q - today, you've shown confidence in vP, what unit will you use against vT Soulkey - broodlordz
q - any player you want to vs? Soulkey - in sc2 don't know yet, anyone is fine
q - you had a dramatic victory, word to fans Soulkey - in the end I thought about it, I could've won this easily, I feel lacking in my play, next time I will fill this and show a better performance.
On May 29 2012 17:36 Klogon wrote: I love how when we watch proleague, everybody and their moms is a strategic genius in SC2 compared to these guys.
Easy to say what they should do, not easy to put yourself in their seat. It's always been like that, not just in Proleague.
It's also easy to be wrong. I'd say people are wrong more often than they are right, but usually people don't say these things when they watch GLS because there is just the implicit credibility of being in the GSL. But people are just more vocal when watching PL and are so strong so often.
The thing is its incredibly easy to be right as spectator in sc2, there is close to 0 information hidden. If you are master + and you watch "your" MU. You can almost always deduce optimal play/sub optimal play. Im not saying that makes even close to being as good as them but thats the difference beetwen playing and watching. There was never a game without a mistake in both BW and SC2, but its incredibly easy to point out mistake in SC2. Glance at production tab, glance at resource tab, see overlord finish timing, say: XXX supply blocked. BAM mistake.
On May 29 2012 17:46 KristofferAG wrote: Interview translated by Kimoleon on nanashin's stream.
ssssshhhh that's a secret place. people's champion streamer.
If you edit your post I'll edit mine. After you edit yours. You first.
Also what?
oh nothing, just nanashin streamed all the bw events and people jokingly called him the "people's champion" for getting good quality bw streams that didn't crash. especially pre-esportstv.
Flying said in one of his interviews he feels like he's one of the best three SC2 players in Proleague. So I'm guessing he destroys everyone in practice and the coach has confidence in him. Same with Rain losing to Soulkey, but Rain being SKT1's SC2 ace.
On May 29 2012 17:46 KristofferAG wrote: Interview translated by Kimoleon on nanashin's stream.
ssssshhhh that's a secret place. people's champion streamer.
If you edit your post I'll edit mine. After you edit yours. You first.
Also what?
oh nothing, just nanashin streamed all the bw events and people jokingly called him the "people's champion" for getting good quality bw streams that didn't crash. especially pre-esportstv.
Sounds like a champion to me. Love the translations too.
On May 29 2012 17:52 Fionn wrote: Flying said in one of his interviews he feels like he's one of the best three SC2 players in Proleague. So I'm guessing he destroys everyone in practice and the coach has confidence in him. Same with Rain losing to Soulkey, but Rain being SKT1's SC2 ace.
So flying just beat Sun, and that terrible music played?
On May 29 2012 17:56 Dodgin wrote: sun got the poor end of the build orders and that suicide blink didn't help his chances of holding the counter, oh well.
Thats because blink sucks on entombed as you cannot blink into the base
Not familiar with the BW players, but I really feel bad for Sun. That was pretty much the worst possible thing to happen to any progamer. Team 1 win away -> lose twice, both in ace matches.
On May 29 2012 17:58 Scarecrow wrote: Neither of those players should've been sent for ace considering both lost badly in their earlier games
Jaedong lost badly the other day and owned the ACE match .
That's probably been the high point of this season of Proleague so far. I think from a drama standpoint they should just trot out the big names for Ace matches if their SC2 isn't too abysmal.
On May 29 2012 17:36 Klogon wrote: I love how when we watch proleague, everybody and their moms is a strategic genius in SC2 compared to these guys.
Easy to say what they should do, not easy to put yourself in their seat. It's always been like that, not just in Proleague.
It's also easy to be wrong. I'd say people are wrong more often than they are right, but usually people don't say these things when they watch GLS because there is just the implicit credibility of being in the GSL. But people are just more vocal when watching PL and are so strong so often.
The thing is its incredibly easy to be right as spectator in sc2, there is close to 0 information hidden. If you are master + and you watch "your" MU. You can almost always deduce optimal play/sub optimal play. Im not saying that makes even close to being as good as them but thats the difference beetwen playing and watching. There was never a game without a mistake in both BW and SC2, but its incredibly easy to point out mistake in SC2. Glance at production tab, glance at resource tab, see overlord finish timing, say: XXX supply blocked. BAM mistake.
I can say without any exaggeration that Jangbi's build from last night was a horrible choice and nobody should use it in that situation. It has been completely phased out of viability with the rise of the proper 3 hatch roach/ling build and it is only effective against some 2 base plays by zerg that never happen anymore at professional levels.
Yes, some comments are really critical and are based on information the players didn't have, but overall a lot of the criticism is justified and the players do have a long way to go. There is a lot of play in Proleague so far for SC2 that simply looks like mid-tier NA masters league play. Odds are some of these players are simply not practicing enough or against the best players on their team, as the teams tend to have a huge variance between extremely good SC2 play and really poor play.
EsportsTV just uploading 480p VoDs on youtube. No one know where to find HD 720p VODs that cast through "Paste link in VLC for OGN SC2 HD stream:http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognhdlive"
On May 29 2012 18:26 GreenGT wrote: EsportsTV just uploading 480p VoDs on youtube. No one know where to find HD 720p VODs that cast through "Paste link in VLC for OGN SC2 HD stream:http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognhdlive"
I'd recommend vods of a restream like sayle's or bobo's. I have some vods of casts over the last week as well, not including tonight (I cast with bobo).
could someone please explain to me the different rounds (round 1, 2 and 3) in proleague? i don't understand their purpose or if there's a reward for having the best record following a particular round.
On May 29 2012 22:44 CptGrackSparrow wrote: could someone please explain to me the different rounds (round 1, 2 and 3) in proleague? i don't understand their purpose or if there's a reward for having the best record following a particular round.
There's multiple rounds so there are more matches for the fans to watch, at the end of the " regular season " when all the rounds end the top 4 teams advance to the playoffs. Teams 3 and 4 play then the winner of that vs 2 and the 1st place of the regular season is seeded directly into the grand finals.
On May 29 2012 22:44 CptGrackSparrow wrote: could someone please explain to me the different rounds (round 1, 2 and 3) in proleague? i don't understand their purpose or if there's a reward for having the best record following a particular round.
There's multiple rounds so there are more matches for the fans to watch, at the end of the " regular season " when all the rounds end the top 4 teams advance to the playoffs. Teams 3 and 4 play then the winner of that vs 2 and the 1st place of the regular season is seeded directly into the grand finals.
So is there a week or two break between rounds? I don't see the purpose of defining the different rounds. It's just one long regular season and top 4 advance. This is the equivalent of baseball saying all games before the allstar break are in round 1 and all games after in round 2. The rounds really mean nothing all that matters is the standings at the end.
On May 29 2012 22:44 CptGrackSparrow wrote: could someone please explain to me the different rounds (round 1, 2 and 3) in proleague? i don't understand their purpose or if there's a reward for having the best record following a particular round.
There's multiple rounds so there are more matches for the fans to watch, at the end of the " regular season " when all the rounds end the top 4 teams advance to the playoffs. Teams 3 and 4 play then the winner of that vs 2 and the 1st place of the regular season is seeded directly into the grand finals.
So is there a week or two break between rounds? I don't see the purpose of defining the different rounds. It's just one long regular season and top 4 advance. This is the equivalent of baseball saying all games before the allstar break are in round 1 and all games after in round 2. The rounds really mean nothing all that matters is the standings at the end.
Um. It's just 1 round of round robin. Every 1 round, the teams play each other once. 3 rounds = each team plays the other teams 3 times. That's it.
On May 29 2012 22:44 CptGrackSparrow wrote: could someone please explain to me the different rounds (round 1, 2 and 3) in proleague? i don't understand their purpose or if there's a reward for having the best record following a particular round.
There's multiple rounds so there are more matches for the fans to watch, at the end of the " regular season " when all the rounds end the top 4 teams advance to the playoffs. Teams 3 and 4 play then the winner of that vs 2 and the 1st place of the regular season is seeded directly into the grand finals.
So is there a week or two break between rounds? I don't see the purpose of defining the different rounds. It's just one long regular season and top 4 advance. This is the equivalent of baseball saying all games before the allstar break are in round 1 and all games after in round 2. The rounds really mean nothing all that matters is the standings at the end.
It's because each team plays every other team once in a round, so when that rotation finishes they call that one round and it resets and they play every other team again. It's a distinction just for the sake of it from what I understand, no real meaning behind it.
On May 30 2012 02:16 phil.ipp wrote: why upload only 480p vods? where do KESPA live? in the stoneage .. seriously very PROFESSIONAL !!
It's free dude, we must even pay to watch the other SC2 tournament VOD, so i'm 100% ok with it. Also to watch micro & strategy 480 is more than enough, the shiny graphic doesn't mean anything in starcraft.
On May 30 2012 02:16 phil.ipp wrote: why upload only 480p vods? where do KESPA live? in the stoneage .. seriously very PROFESSIONAL !!
It's free dude, we must even pay to watch the other SC2 tournament VOD, so i'm 100% ok with it. Also to watch micro & strategy 480 is more than enough, the shiny graphic doesn't mean anything in starcraft.
qft
But somehow SC2 looks way uglier than BW if both got the same low stream quality. :D
On May 30 2012 02:16 phil.ipp wrote: why upload only 480p vods? where do KESPA live? in the stoneage .. seriously very PROFESSIONAL !!
It's free dude, we must even pay to watch the other SC2 tournament VOD, so i'm 100% ok with it. Also to watch micro & strategy 480 is more than enough, the shiny graphic doesn't mean anything in starcraft.
More or less this. Don't get me wrong HD is very nice, but its not a game breaker since I'm not really watching an RTS game for shiny graphics..
wtf is up with u all, the quality is unbearable, my eyes hurt, this is not even 480p, the quality is like 20 years ago.
i doesnt care at all if its free, kespa, the players, the teams, the sponsors all make a lot of money with that show, else they wouldnt support it 10 years. but thats not even the topic.
they upload it on youtube, so they dont even have costs with the whole vod streaming other then the guy who clicks the button and uploads the video for 10 minutes.
why not upload the HD version? there is no reason i can think of.
also why should i be thankful for not having to pay for this? 3 hours stream, 1.5 hours are ads lol
On May 30 2012 03:42 phil.ipp wrote: wtf is up with u all, the quality is unbearable, my eyes hurt, this is not even 480p, the quality is like 20 years ago.
i doesnt care at all if its free, kespa, the players, the teams, the sponsors all make a lot of money with that show, else they wouldnt support it 10 years. but thats not even the topic.
they upload it on youtube, so they dont even have costs with the whole vod streaming other then the guy who clicks the button and uploads the video for 10 minutes.
why not upload the HD version? there is no reason i can think of.
also why should i be thankful for not having to pay for this? 3 hours stream, 1.5 hours are ads lol
They stream it in 480p too and with broodwar, that's just fine. With sc2 it doesn't look as shiny as it could be, but you can watch the stream in hd.
On May 30 2012 03:42 phil.ipp wrote: wtf is up with u all, the quality is unbearable, my eyes hurt, this is not even 480p, the quality is like 20 years ago.
i doesnt care at all if its free, kespa, the players, the teams, the sponsors all make a lot of money with that show, else they wouldnt support it 10 years. but thats not even the topic.
they upload it on youtube, so they dont even have costs with the whole vod streaming other then the guy who clicks the button and uploads the video for 10 minutes.
why not upload the HD version? there is no reason i can think of.
also why should i be thankful for not having to pay for this? 3 hours stream, 1.5 hours are ads lol
Ads that don't get them any money because of you. In fact, as for now, I don't think they have any way to monetize their foreign audience. Anyway if you don't like the quality, don't watch it please. Edit : and please stop with the annoying hyperboles.
On May 30 2012 03:42 phil.ipp wrote: wtf is up with u all, the quality is unbearable, my eyes hurt, this is not even 480p, the quality is like 20 years ago.
i doesnt care at all if its free, kespa, the players, the teams, the sponsors all make a lot of money with that show, else they wouldnt support it 10 years. but thats not even the topic.
they upload it on youtube, so they dont even have costs with the whole vod streaming other then the guy who clicks the button and uploads the video for 10 minutes.
why not upload the HD version? there is no reason i can think of.
also why should i be thankful for not having to pay for this? 3 hours stream, 1.5 hours are ads lol
They stream it in 480p too and with broodwar, that's just fine. With sc2 it doesn't look as shiny as it could be, but you can watch the stream in hd.
The difference is with the BW 480p I can actually read the numbers for supply/ how much minerals gas they are floating(When they have the counter in the bottom right) with the sc2 stream everything is fuzzy as fuck, it makes it 10x harder to even recognize cool micro tricks(Which are already hard to spot due to the fast battles of sc2)
Yea its free so I'm not going to complain too much, I'm also just not going to watch it unless I can stay up till 4 am and watch the HD stream(Which is frustrating)
^not sure what your spoiled ass is complaining about. The vods are free, and that screenshot clearly shows you can tell what's going on unless you aren't wearing your -8.0 degree glasses.
On May 30 2012 03:45 corumjhaelen wrote: I don't think they have any way to monetize their foreign audience.
haha with vods like that definitly not :D
Question #1: Would you pay for a PL subscription? Question #2: How many other leagues do you know that offer free HD VODS? GSL doesn't even offer free LOW Q...
On May 30 2012 03:45 corumjhaelen wrote: I don't think they have any way to monetize their foreign audience.
haha with vods like that definitly not :D
Are you baiting or are you just that much of an entitled cunt?
I think he's implying that if they want to get foreigners to pay they will need to improve the current quality. Personally I'm really happy that they've provided so much for free at this point, but I wouldn't be as happy about the quality if I was paying as much as I do for GSL or other big SC2 events.
I would pay for HD streams and VODs. That doesn't mean that I need to be satisfied with the garbage quality of the free content, especially without a paying/HD option.
On May 31 2012 03:24 Chemist391 wrote: I would pay for HD streams and VODs. That doesn't mean that I need to be satisfied with the garbage quality of the free content, especially without a paying/HD option.
There is a HD OGN stream, stop complaining and go use it.
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