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On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. )
6 months before templar became popular again, we were treated to protoss always going collosus first and not even bothering making templar. The KA removal basically made protoss feel like somehow templar were more useless than they were. During this time ive seen various mech all-ins and various timings that faded in and out of popularity but the reason the main terran army comp hasnt changed is because thats about all that can work.
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On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. )
Seems too quick to say Terrans are simply lazy...MMMVG, unless they end before lategame... is still probably the most viable until HotS
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Man, fell asleep during that last game! Damn!
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On May 28 2012 21:19 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Femari wrote:On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. ) I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts.... Feedback though. I hope Thors get changed so that they either: Have less energy or have no energy whatsoever. They shouldn't be this useless.
Maybe take out the 250mm upgrade and remove their energy?
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On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. ) I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts....
Another protoss playing saying terran should go mech... no just no...
Tanks that are garbage compared to their BW counterparts and the absence of spider mines means mech is pretty much unviable as a standard composition. Sure, throw in a mech game to catch ur opponet off guard, but if it ever became standard, protoss will know that the lack of spider mines means that they can just either use blink stalkers and/or warp prisms to abuse mobility like hell whilst mass expanding (placing 2 cannons per base to prevent BFH hellions) and terran cant do shit.
MMMVG is the only answer till HoTs till shredders come out and give back terran "spider mines" like board control.
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On May 28 2012 21:20 IMNotMvp wrote:
how can i get that team logo under my posts? lol
Look into your profile
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On May 28 2012 21:20 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:19 graNite wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 Thrombozyt wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 graNite wrote:
no answer to colossi= lose...
why is there no terran unit that protoss has to have an answer, too? When he attacked he had a lot of vikings. But the needed target firing results in clumping and that means archon splash owns. that is not the answer to my question. read it again. Battlecruisers
HT>BC
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On May 28 2012 21:20 Femari wrote:
Looking up the lyrics, there are no results for this song.
Well then.
yeah i was doing the same 
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On May 28 2012 21:20 IMNotMvp wrote:
how can i get that team logo under my posts? lol
Go to your profile and set your favourite team
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On May 28 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Femari wrote:On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. ) I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts.... Feedback though. Feedback doesn't do too much damage. thors are pretty hp heavy
You dont need to kill a thor. You just need to weaken it enough with feedback to let immortals do rest.
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On May 28 2012 21:20 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:19 graNite wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 Thrombozyt wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 graNite wrote:
no answer to colossi= lose...
why is there no terran unit that protoss has to have an answer, too? When he attacked he had a lot of vikings. But the needed target firing results in clumping and that means archon splash owns. that is not the answer to my question. read it again. Battlecruisers
I thought the answer to BCs was to fall out of your chair laughing...
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Nice! We get to see the other new map.
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On May 28 2012 21:21 phoenixfeather95 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:20 Hassybaby wrote:On May 28 2012 21:19 graNite wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 Thrombozyt wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 graNite wrote:
no answer to colossi= lose...
why is there no terran unit that protoss has to have an answer, too? When he attacked he had a lot of vikings. But the needed target firing results in clumping and that means archon splash owns. that is not the answer to my question. read it again. Battlecruisers HT>BC
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"oh no the feedback is doing some damage....oh wait I have 550hp...I don't care"
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On May 28 2012 21:21 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:19 Fragile51 wrote:On May 28 2012 21:18 Femari wrote:On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. ) I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts.... Feedback though. I hope Thors get changed so that they either: Have less energy or have no energy whatsoever. They shouldn't be this useless. Maybe take out the 250mm upgrade and remove their energy?
This pretty much. I've tried using Thors but against any competent Protoss it just goes terribly unless I choose to waste EMPs on my Thors.
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On May 28 2012 20:05 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 28 2012 20:03 KristofferAG wrote:
I've got Prime as my backup team. If SlayerS lose, I'm with Prime. slayerS can't lose though. Opportunist. More fun when you have someone to cheer for. Not so fun if not.
Sadly there is not that much of a player that I like a lot, I was a fan of tester/trickster till he completely dissapear, and then I started to like huk a lot till he moved to EG, then I stil liked him, but I dont I dont feel like to root for Eg.
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On May 28 2012 21:19 Fragile51 wrote:
I hope Thors get changed so that they either: Have less energy or have no energy whatsoever. They shouldn't be this useless.
HotS is supposed to make the Thor a Hero unit (a la Mothership) and replace it with the more Goliath-like Warhound. Hopefully Thors stay alive though. And I think the games earlier today made a pretty solid argument for keeping the Carrier around too.
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On May 28 2012 21:14 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Seriously...a whine balance? After the Terran clumped his Vikings directly over Archons and Stalkers and then got himself jammed into a choke point against mass colossi? He got outplayed and out-controllled. Simple as that.
While the engagements were bad, there is little to do. If Terran does not attack, the protoss gets stronger and stronger until both sides are maxed.
And then.. well.. we saw in the U&D matches, what happens when Protoss a-moves through a choke into a defensive concave, gets mass emp'd with 12 vikings vs 5 colossi. Protoss still wins, but they need their warp-in.
It's the NSH coach's fault though.. he should know, that especially on Ohana that offers extremely little surface area to drop and an easy to take 3rd, that he shouldn't put up a Terran vs a Protoss. The toss just plays standard "I never attack until 200/200 with 3/0/3" into steam roll and there is little the terran can do vs solid defense.
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On May 28 2012 21:20 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:17 IshinShishi wrote:On May 28 2012 21:14 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf Seriously...a whine balance? After the Terran clumped his Vikings directly over Archons and Stalkers and then got himself jammed into a choke point against mass colossi? He got outplayed and out-controllled. Simple as that. I fail to see what control Puzzle showed there, and what was Sting supposed to do, my friend?You can't really expect him to kite with his bio and kite with the vikings at the same time compared to what puzzle had to do, right?  His control was better than Sting's because he didn't have his Colossi standing on top of the Marines and didn't have his Archons at the back; which is basically the Protoss equivalent of what Sting was doing. And what was Sting supposed to do? Well not derping his entire Viking force directly over Archons, attack from the side or something, and not standing in a choke point would be a good start. I'm pretty sure even I could manage that and I'm a Gold scrub. Kid trying to judge a pro terran play out of gold league playing protoss, skipping that.
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Close it out Puzzle! Let me sleep and put the Slayers minds at ease. :D
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