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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 04 2012 06:39 KalWarkov wrote: was this played on na? on europe. Well I'm not too happy with my result, but I am content. Lucifron is an amazing player and it was an honor to play him. Hope to have more success in future showmatches to see how I can stand up to the biggest talents in the foreign scene. Anyways, well played Lucifron, and congrats, well deserved win. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
On June 04 2012 06:42 Spades wrote: on europe. Well I'm not too happy with my result, but I am content. Lucifron is an amazing player and it was an honor to play him. Hope to have more success in future showmatches to see how I can stand up to the biggest talents in the foreign scene. Anyways, well played Lucifron, and congrats, well deserved win. Did you honestly expect to win? I am shocked you did this well. Really well played, I am sure you surprised many people with this performance. Just out of curiousity, is TvT your best MU?  | ||
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uberism
Canada271 Posts
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 04 2012 07:06 FreshVegetables wrote: Did you honestly expect to win? I am shocked you did this well. Really well played, I am sure you surprised many people with this performance. Just out of curiousity, is TvT your best MU? I always expect to win everything i play, and prepare accordingly. No one likes to lose, and expecting to lose is never the right way to approach a game. TvP is my best matchup, but I feel fairly confident TvT as of late. I don't doubt Lucifron was a heavy favorite, but I still do my best to win everything I play. I felt it could've easily gone either way, the coin just didn't fall on my side today. Maybe next time. | ||
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PocketStarcraft29
United States101 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On June 04 2012 08:58 PocketStarcraft29 wrote: Wow I love how everyone is hating on Spades. Most expected Lucifron to 4-0 him and instead Spades did a lot better than expected and instead of giving him his props people still hate on him, when they themselves couldn't beat Spades, Lucifron or any other pro gamer that they talk shit on lol. People honestly. well, not being happy with this result is kind of... strange. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On June 04 2012 09:14 KalWarkov wrote: well, not being happy with this result is kind of... strange. Not really.. | ||
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Jiver
Canada48 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248 | ||
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andReslic
216 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On June 05 2012 04:54 Nerchio wrote: I watched the replays more carefully and it looks like a lot of points that OP makes are false, for example 4 scv's at shakuras plateau, he took them after he saw marine in his natural. Also a lot of movement on Tal'darim looks like standard mech play with taking good spots for tanks. Other than that we should assume that Spades is not the best player so moving your army without care isn't anything special. He can also use mini-map to send his scouting worker, i do that sometimes as well. In the end i don't really think it's cheating there is a lot of points that are not true and the rest we can include into luck which happens quite often in SC2. Don't jump on the witch hunt so soon folks. Nerchio took a look at the replays and tossed up his opinion on it. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On June 05 2012 04:30 Jiver wrote: Assuming this is true, Spades was hacking during these matches. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248 That thread was just closed due to lack of evidence. No need to continue the slander, even if you think he was hacking. On June 05 2012 05:00 Phobbers wrote: Don't jump on the witch hunt so soon folks. Nerchio took a look at the replays and tossed up his opinion on it. Edited in above quote. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:00 Phobbers wrote: Don't jump on the witch hunt so soon folks. Nerchio took a look at the replays and tossed up his opinion on it. After which the thread was immediately closed by a mod. I don't know about that, the OP of the thread provided an insanely detailed log of 'suspicious actions', and while I agree not all of them were true it is quite weird to insta-close a thread based on 1 pro opinion? I hope the thread can be re-opened. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:03 dani` wrote: After which the thread was immediately closed by a mod. I don't know about that, the OP of the thread provided an insanely detailed log of 'suspicious actions', and while I agree not all of them were true it is quite weird to insta-close a thread based on 1 pro opinion? I hope the thread can be re-opened. mod said *until a pro disagrees* its closed. i think thats fair enough. | ||
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:06 nath wrote: mod said *until a pro disagrees* its closed. i think thats fair enough. Well it's highly unlikely for a closed thread to be read by anyone, let alone pros, no? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:06 nath wrote: mod said *until a pro disagrees* its closed. i think thats fair enough. why should the opinion of 1 pro be enough to close it? Is said pro somehow smarter than everybody else when it comes to matters of hacking? Its likely OP of that thread exaggeratted some points, but some points were not exaggerated. I think the closing of the thread was a bit early and more to avoid a mass witch hunt, even though the witch hunt might be correct. Anybody else notice that the mod that closed it said something along the lines of "the OP has ties to lucifron". That comment seemed to come entirely out of left field | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:03 dani` wrote: After which the thread was immediately closed by a mod. I don't know about that, the OP of the thread provided an insanely detailed log of 'suspicious actions', and while I agree not all of them were true it is quite weird to insta-close a thread based on 1 pro opinion? I hope the thread can be re-opened. Perhaps it is best it was closed. The tendency to witchunt, and the "guilty until proven innocence" mentality that the community sometimes adopts is dangerous, and we do not want to ruin someone's career. I do trust Nerchio's opinion, and indeed much more than my own for that matter. That being said, I do hope that the mods ask some other pros to weigh in. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:08 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else notice that the mod that closed it said something along the lines of "the OP has ties to lucifron". That comment seemed to come entirely out of left field Yeah, no idea where that came from either. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On June 05 2012 05:08 ExO_ wrote: why should the opinion of 1 pro be enough to close it? Is said pro somehow smarter than everybody else when it comes to matters of hacking? Its likely OP of that thread exaggeratted some points, but some points were not exaggerated. I think the closing of the thread was a bit early and more to avoid a mass witch hunt, even though the witch hunt might be correct. Anybody else notice that the mod that closed it said something along the lines of "the OP has ties to lucifron". That comment seemed to come entirely out of left field its not enough to close it indefinitely, its enough to PAUSE (something that the community cannot do), TAKE A SECOND LOOK (something else the community cant do), and REJUDGE the accusation (something that the community wont do without it being closed), BEFORE saying he hacked. i still think its debatable and i do not fully agree with Nerchio but I am going to wait for more pro opinions, because why? They do actually know better than you when it comes to what actions at a high level of play could be suspicious. | ||
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