I thought I saw it go down on 11 :/ oh well it was good and executed well but not perfectly. I think the problem came when he didn't realise that guemchi had 4 gates. What he should have done was done the 2 gas variant of the pressure with an 11 gate.

Then he would have been able to force the initial warp for guemchi at home and then tech to robo, make 2 sentries make an immortal and take a huge advantage.

Leetley

1796 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1106

On May 22 2012 17:07 Dodgin wrote:

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http://www.twitch.tv/bgvrt/popout

Thanks yo.

xxpack09

United States2160 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1107

On May 22 2012 17:06 roymarthyup wrote:

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On May 22 2012 17:04 xxpack09 wrote:

On May 22 2012 17:03 roymarthyup wrote:

On May 22 2012 17:01 xxpack09 wrote:

On May 22 2012 16:59 roymarthyup wrote:

On May 22 2012 16:57 xxpack09 wrote:

On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote:

On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote:

On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first

that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks

im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"

How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making.

normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win

lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen

or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack

Again, the main point isn't that he chose to attack, it's that he doesn't even know the basics. Imagine a Zerg in SC2 going 12hatch14pool instead of 15hatch16pool. It's that bad.

he made the faster gates for faster units to have more units slightly faster at the terran base slightly faster so if the terran went CC first, it would be an auto win

if he made gates later, the units would arrive at the terran base slightly later

same as when a zerg 4pools to get units to the terran base ASAP so if the terran goes CC first they auto win

when it fails, it fails. it says that the user of the all-in build sucks because he went for a highly inefficient build that sacrifices a ton of econ to get attacking units ASAP to the enemy in hope that they get a free win cuz the enemy was playing greedy

13gate vs 15gate does not get you dragoons out faster, the fact that you're missing those 2 probes means you can't build goons immediately (since you have to get range). But nice try.

you can make the goons immediately and wait on the range and be stronger and faster against the CC first

if he didnt do that then hes retarded

that's not how a fast 2gate works, you get range first then 2 goons.

Besides, the chance of a 14CC on a non-ramped map? 0%

thats my point. if you get the goons first you get the units to the enemy base faster. there is benefits and disadvantages to getting the faster gateway. the advantage is slightly faster units to the enemy base which beats a CC first more easily.

it only beats a CC first, nothing else

so i agree hes retarded for using a build that only beats CC first and nothing else on a map with 0% chance of CC first. now THATS stupid as hell i agree

I suppose what you're saying is POSSIBLE but it seems like wishful thinking to me--I would be surprised if Lizzy actually put much thought into that build.

IshinShishi

Japan6156 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1108

On May 22 2012 17:08 calvinL wrote:
Ugh the youtube stream is giving me a mindtrip. Keeps jumping back and forth in time, so I'll see them fighting at Wooki's base only to see the fight magically go back to Guemchi's base the next second.

its hillarious.

Incanus

Canada695 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1109

I thought he warped in some units at his base? No? haha

Awesomeness

Germany1361 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1110

So annoying that the english restreamer doesn't even check the chat, where the better stream is posted like 100 times.~

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1111

On May 22 2012 17:09 Looms wrote:
Stats vs Kal for 3rd game maybe?

No more PvPs please. Hoping to see Hoejja.

KiNGxXx

7928 Posts

May 22 2012 08:09 GMT

#1112

On May 22 2012 17:08 Dodgin wrote:
haha one of the youtube comments

Woah, Proleague is bringing TIME TRAVEL to the table. BEAT THAT GOMTV

I wish they would time travel through the long downtimes.

WhosTheSmuRf

United States56 Posts

May 22 2012 08:10 GMT

#1113

On May 22 2012 17:08 Ruscour wrote:

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Instead of building a 2nd stalker I get a 2nd gas on 23 and don't mine from it, if it's obvious I can't kill someone after the warpin I just kill what I can and put guys in gas/make probes again and transition. Basically the same except it's easier to transition and very few players actually respond quickly, they either assume it was all-in and counter and die or assume they're super far ahead and expand or something.

Ok well everyone plays it differently. I would never skip the second stalker just because without it, the opponent can hold it off with just 2gates