MLG Spring Arena 2[Final Day] - Page 87

On May 21 2012 06:48 GreyKnight wrote:
Good job violet but winners bracket advantage still makes the finals feel silly.

There has to be a better way

On May 21 2012 06:19 Malaz wrote:
Just read the headline about Violet winning a major tournament...
Was this really a major tournament? Yes, the line-up was really good and all, but in my opinion the fans and the hype surrounding an event are also a big part of what turns a normal tournamet into a major event. The LR-Thread of the final day doesn't even have 100 pages and I think I'm not the only one that couldn't care less for a PPV event like this one.

Gratz to Violet though.

On May 21 2012 06:54 HappyTimePANDA wrote:


Be mad at the PPV model they use but that doesn't make this a lesser tournament. This tournament had a ton of huge names. Really outside of GSL, MLG is the biggest tournament. It draws people from all regions and this wasn't some local tournament he won.

Violet won a major tournament and he deserves to be held up because he came out on top.

On May 21 2012 06:48 GreyKnight wrote:
Good job violet but winners bracket advantage still makes the finals feel silly.

There has to be a better way

On May 21 2012 06:39 CrazyBirdman wrote:

And Liquipedia says somthing completly different.
Anyway, that tournament was stacked and Violet won it, no matter how you classify it. Congratulations to him, now with an IEM and MLG win this year, impressive.

On May 21 2012 06:45 SeaSwift wrote:


That's because Liquipedia has this as a Premier Tournament instead of a "major tournament".

On May 21 2012 07:01 jmbthirteen wrote:

so because no one has updated Liquipedia to be on that list it isn't a major tournament? They listed the first Spring Arena as one so how can the second Spring Arena not be? If an 8 man arena is a major tournament, the 32 man one is for sure. I would actually question if the 8 man arena is just because 8 players is too low to be considered a major.

On May 21 2012 06:57 0kz wrote:


I think mlg championships are major tournaments, arenas might have big names but they are "arenas" an addition to the real big tournament, the championship.

On May 21 2012 07:07 Looms wrote:
major tournament ≠ a "major" in my opinion. i say this because the term comes from golf/tennis (at least it does for me..) where there are only 4 majors and they have a lot of history, prestige, etc. when this is only the first year for doing arenas AND MLG puts on much bigger events 3+ times a year, i simply dont see the tournament as a major. sure it may be a major tournament with great players, but its not a major.

On May 21 2012 07:04 SeaSwift wrote:


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

It IS a major tournament.

On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.

While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)

I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row.

On May 21 2012 07:07 Looms wrote:
major tournament ≠ a "major" in my opinion. i say this because the term comes from golf/tennis (at least it does for me..) where there are only 4 majors and they have a lot of history, prestige, etc. when this is only the first year for doing arenas AND MLG puts on much bigger events 3+ times a year, i simply dont see the tournament as a major. sure it may be a major tournament with great players, but its not a major.

On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.

While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)

I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row.

On May 21 2012 07:24 HappyTimePANDA wrote:


GSL and MLG are the majors of SC2. Each MLG is like a individual tennis cup. But it adds up to a "super cup."

Comparing ESports to others is hard but thats what it would be. If we are comparing to tennis then Gsl works like a normal tournament. But MLG is like you play the tournaments and then take the finalists to play a "super" tournament. It would be like saying the top from Australian , US, British Open winners play in a overall tournament at the end of the season.