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On May 21 2012 12:08 Schmoooopy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 11:16 sharky246 wrote:On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.
While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)
I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row. There were 11 protoss, 10 terrans and 11 zergs. How much more variety do you want? Or maybe they should make it so that when there are zergs in top 3, they replace 1 of them with a player from another race, oh and maybe they if there is a finals with no names, they should tell them that they are not being accepted into the finals because they are no names (despite earning their way into it) and put a big name like incontrol in it? Is this what you want? Come on, your complaint is futile Strawman argument... He wasn't saying that at all. He isn't asking for more variety or diversity or replacing of people. That's stupid. Read his post again. He specifically said "I understand that mlg can't control the brackets," which means he doesn't want what you said he wants. He wanted more representation of top tier players from races other than Zerg. A fair complaint, seeing as DRG, Stephano, Violet, Symbol, and Leenock were there (arguably 5 of the 6 top zergs in the game right now, with the other being Nestea) and Jjakji, MVP, Taeja, Marineking, Bomber, aLive, Ghostking, theSTC weren't there to represent Terran, and Parting, Squirtle, Puzzle, Naniwa, Creator, and Hero weren't there representing Protoss. He didn't want these players inserted into the finals; he wanted them AT THE EVENT. I'm not sure if he wanted more invites from MLG, or whatever, but I can tell from a spectator's point of view that one race was represented better than the other two. Perhaps that lead to his barcraft's disappointment.
What he is complaining about is something that can't be helped, unless mlg tampered with the tournament results. A complaint has to have a practical purpose, otherwise it's unjustified.
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I love nestea and all..but got dam!
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On May 21 2012 10:03 statikg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 09:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Violet is well known to anyone who's opinion matters. Perhaps guys who get 90% of their Sc2 content from Husky don't know him but the real core of the community who will be around for years to come sure as hell know who Violet is. On May 21 2012 09:10 Chunhyang wrote:On May 21 2012 09:06 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:58 Femari wrote:On May 21 2012 08:54 Akhee wrote:On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.
While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)
I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row. if you dont know who violet is you probably dont deserver to watch starcraft That is a terrible thought. Violet is not a big name player, nor is Symbol. To cut people out for not knowing big name players is just idiotic. Violet has been around along time and Symbol is code S now. not sure if you are trolling or not. Big name just means what it is. Big in name. Marketable, popular, name-recognition, good fan base. Idra. huk. Stephano. Boxer. MMA. Those are big names. Violet has achievements, Symbol has skills, but their names aren't relatively big, not yet. Luckily the biggest earners are the best players, not the players with most fans. Which is why MVP has earnt more than Stephano, Huk, Idra and Naniwa combined. What a dumb comment, if you think casuals don't matter then say goodbye to your game. You know that all the EG players get paid a big salary and that Idra makes ~100-200$/hr just for streaming right, he has probably made more money streaming then mvp has won.
Are you serious? If Idra made that kind of money streaming he'd never turn his stream off.
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Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase....
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On May 21 2012 10:03 statikg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 09:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Violet is well known to anyone who's opinion matters. Perhaps guys who get 90% of their Sc2 content from Husky don't know him but the real core of the community who will be around for years to come sure as hell know who Violet is. On May 21 2012 09:10 Chunhyang wrote:On May 21 2012 09:06 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:58 Femari wrote:On May 21 2012 08:54 Akhee wrote:On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.
While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)
I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row. if you dont know who violet is you probably dont deserver to watch starcraft That is a terrible thought. Violet is not a big name player, nor is Symbol. To cut people out for not knowing big name players is just idiotic. Violet has been around along time and Symbol is code S now. not sure if you are trolling or not. Big name just means what it is. Big in name. Marketable, popular, name-recognition, good fan base. Idra. huk. Stephano. Boxer. MMA. Those are big names. Violet has achievements, Symbol has skills, but their names aren't relatively big, not yet. Luckily the biggest earners are the best players, not the players with most fans. Which is why MVP has earnt more than Stephano, Huk, Idra and Naniwa combined. What a dumb comment, if you think casuals don't matter then say goodbye to your game. You know that all the EG players get paid a big salary and that Idra makes ~100-200$/hr just for streaming right, he has probably made more money streaming then mvp has won.
What a dumb comment really...
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On May 21 2012 19:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase....
And viewercounts continue to decline. I assume.
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On May 21 2012 19:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase....
Why?
A few months back it would be 12 KR players and 0 EU/NA players.
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On May 21 2012 19:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 19:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase.... And viewercounts continue to decline. I assume.
There wont be much viewers left then if that's the case, spring arena 2 only had around 4k viewers.
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On May 21 2012 22:01 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 19:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:On May 21 2012 19:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase.... And viewercounts continue to decline. I assume. There wont be much viewers left then if that's the case, spring arena 2 only had around 4k viewers.
4k paying viewer, thats the difference. I think this arena model will definitly backfire but the whole PPV has been discussed enought so let's not fall on that.
Hope at least some more foreigners will make it out of Open Bracket in Anaheim.
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On May 21 2012 10:03 statikg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 09:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Violet is well known to anyone who's opinion matters. Perhaps guys who get 90% of their Sc2 content from Husky don't know him but the real core of the community who will be around for years to come sure as hell know who Violet is. On May 21 2012 09:10 Chunhyang wrote:On May 21 2012 09:06 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:58 Femari wrote:On May 21 2012 08:54 Akhee wrote:On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.
While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)
I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row. if you dont know who violet is you probably dont deserver to watch starcraft That is a terrible thought. Violet is not a big name player, nor is Symbol. To cut people out for not knowing big name players is just idiotic. Violet has been around along time and Symbol is code S now. not sure if you are trolling or not. Big name just means what it is. Big in name. Marketable, popular, name-recognition, good fan base. Idra. huk. Stephano. Boxer. MMA. Those are big names. Violet has achievements, Symbol has skills, but their names aren't relatively big, not yet. Luckily the biggest earners are the best players, not the players with most fans. Which is why MVP has earnt more than Stephano, Huk, Idra and Naniwa combined. What a dumb comment, if you think casuals don't matter then say goodbye to your game. You know that all the EG players get paid a big salary and that Idra makes ~100-200$/hr just for streaming right, he has probably made more money streaming then mvp has won.
I even heard idra made Forbes by streaming...dunno if it was true
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On May 21 2012 12:08 Schmoooopy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 11:16 sharky246 wrote:On May 21 2012 07:21 killerdog wrote:
Just got back from a barcraft, and it was relatively dissapointing compared to most other finals i've seen recently. Not only were the top three zergs, and the matches so quick that the event which was expected to go on to about 2, over by 10:30 pm. But the two final players were players which noone there really knew anything about, so noone really cared about the result, and the commentaters never gave any background information on them other then that violet lived in us or something like that.
Also, there was quite a bit of lag, which was exactly the same on all graphics quality levels, the people there said it was mlg side. But it kind of ruined a lot of the suspenseful moments.
While high level ZvZ might be interesting for zergs looking to steal builds, as a spectator sport it isn't at all really very enthralling. (there were about 20 people chatting and eating snacks not paying attention to stream as the final battle went on, as nobody really cared a huge amount by that point. All the energy was gone from having already seen 8 zvz's or so and not rooting for anyone, combined with constant lag during fights,)
I understand that mlg can't control the brackets, but at least invite more top tiere players of other races so you don't get only zvz's. It's up there with pvp as the worst matchup for a spectator who isn't really familiar with the matchup, especially a bunch of times in a row. There were 11 protoss, 10 terrans and 11 zergs. How much more variety do you want? Or maybe they should make it so that when there are zergs in top 3, they replace 1 of them with a player from another race, oh and maybe they if there is a finals with no names, they should tell them that they are not being accepted into the finals because they are no names (despite earning their way into it) and put a big name like incontrol in it? Is this what you want? Come on, your complaint is futile Strawman argument... He wasn't saying that at all. He isn't asking for more variety or diversity or replacing of people. That's stupid. Read his post again. He specifically said "I understand that mlg can't control the brackets," which means he doesn't want what you said he wants. He wanted more representation of top tier players from races other than Zerg. A fair complaint, seeing as DRG, Stephano, Violet, Symbol, and Leenock were there (arguably 5 of the 6 top zergs in the game right now, with the other being Nestea) and Jjakji, MVP, Taeja, Marineking, Bomber, aLive, Ghostking, theSTC weren't there to represent Terran, and Parting, Squirtle, Puzzle, Naniwa, Creator, and Hero weren't there representing Protoss. He didn't want these players inserted into the finals; he wanted them AT THE EVENT. I'm not sure if he wanted more invites from MLG, or whatever, but I can tell from a spectator's point of view that one race was represented better than the other two. Perhaps that lead to his barcraft's disappointment.
My feelings exactly, but can we blame MLG for none of those top players qualifying? I hope that this arena was just a fluke and that we'll see a wider variety of skill among all races instead of just one.
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Any winners interview? Or footage after Violet won?
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On May 21 2012 22:01 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 19:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:On May 21 2012 19:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
Poolplay consisting of 3 EU and 9 KR players now.
Seems like the skill gap continues to increase.... And viewercounts continue to decline. I assume. There wont be much viewers left then if that's the case, spring arena 2 only had around 4k viewers.
I'm pretty sure Spring Arena 2 didn't lack viewers because of the nationalities of the players. I simply did not have money to spend on a weekend-long tournament, not to mention I've given MLG my money before and terrible stream issues made it completely not worth it.
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