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Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
May 20 2012 17:55 GMT
#701
On May 21 2012 02:52 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:51 Polox wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 Demonidze wrote:
I'd happily support e-sports by disabling any ad blockers. but paying 20$ for maybe 2-3 interesting matches I would love to see? nope, never.. ill proudly watch a restream.


Really?
So you can "pick and choose" when you want to help esports?
You are a true crusader for starcraft 2!


Anyone paying 20 dollar for this, is indirectly hurting e-sports.

could you please explain that "logic"


How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.

gyad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States423 Posts
May 20 2012 17:55 GMT
#702
On May 21 2012 02:53 Mozdk wrote:
Why does he have a mask over his mouth?


He's sick
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
May 20 2012 17:55 GMT
#703
On May 21 2012 02:53 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:50 Choboo wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:49 Za7oX wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:44 AxionSteel wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:43 goswser wrote:
Symbol, Dongraegu, and Stephano are arguably the strongest three zergs in the world right now.


Agreed

And Parting, HerO & Squirtle are not here. Also MKP, MVP and ALive not here.

Hero? really?

Yes. HerO's vZ: 92-42 (68.66%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W L W W W


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z

You are looking at International. Don't look at International. It be bad.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#704
On May 21 2012 02:54 McPhiz wrote:
it just me or does stephano look hungover lol


look @ page 1 of this thread.
#1 Grubby Fan.
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#705
Surgical face mask imba
ashortstory
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil160 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#706
On May 21 2012 02:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
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On May 21 2012 02:50 ashortstory wrote:
Seriously, why do you guys hate ZXZ and say it`s boring?

I honestly don`t get it. ZXZ is probably the most intense matchup of the whole game. Early game is based on pure micro. The best one with the best micro wins, simply as that. It`s not based on luck (some say it is, but in fact it is not if you scout properly) but on your own skills. I love ling / baneling fights, the decision making of each player to see how they can maximize the damage and stuff like that.

Mid game you need to find the balance between units and drones, really awesome again to see the decision making. What about mid-late game? Infestors play is AWESOME, and it`s even better when there are INFESTORS DROP or INFESTORS BURROWED, if you guys haven`t see that, give it a shot, It`s awesome and I hope we can see some infestor heavily playstyle!

ZXZ in a spectator point of view is just perfect. I`m not zerg and I`m high master terran.



easy: because there are no flashy units! No tanks shelling explosions everywhere, no colossi/stalker shooting lasers. no marauder shooting exploding rockets like the madmen they are, no zealots fighting with blades of light! :o
Besides, ZvZ is the most volatile matchup, that is if you believe the Playhem statistic as a good representation of the state of the game.

hahahaha that is kinda a good point, but still.. i think zxz is the least "gay" matchup possible.... i still think its skill based purely
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 17:56:33
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#707
On May 21 2012 02:53 Dosey wrote:
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On May 21 2012 02:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:41 JustPassingBy wrote:

The Arena's are an essential part of the MLG circuit, as they determine the seedings of the championship. They are by no means "EXTRA". Please do not try to put it onto the same level as the Arena of Legends, which was only there to please the fans, without great price pool and also - due to being invite only - without much legitimacy of competitiveness.


The seedings for the championship is the ONLY reason you have to justify that and while I don't agree with the fact that it provides seeding and have said so in the past, that does not mean the events are not extra. They certainly are, they would not happen otherwise, it's too expensive to fly 32 players over with full room and board, especially since many of them are Korean,. which is why no other free-view tournament actually does that.

MLG also saves a decent amount by not making it a full-on event and keeping it at their HQ. No venue, less staff, less setup, less equipment, no travel expenses for their staff (aside from you fine gentlemen), etc... etc...


You know how they could really save, make them online tournaments, like every other league does for a qualifier. Then you don't have to charge 20 bucks to fly everyone in especially when you aren't hosting an event that people can come spectate and advertisers can show up.

They would make plenty of money with a free stream and advertisements, and not spend all that cash on hotels/flights/ect...
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#708
Hangover Stephano against Sick Violet, should be an even match :D Gogo Stephano!
750/750 emotions fully stacked
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#709
On May 21 2012 02:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:54 McPhiz wrote:
it just me or does stephano look hungover lol

according to his twitter he is


uh oh, hungover versus sick, who will win in that battle :o
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Sargonian
Profile Joined February 2012
United States164 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#710
On May 21 2012 02:51 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 ashortstory wrote:
Seriously, why do you guys hate ZXZ and say it`s boring?

I honestly don`t get it. ZXZ is probably the most intense matchup of the whole game. Early game is based on pure micro. The best one with the best micro wins, simply as that. It`s not based on luck (some say it is, but in fact it is not if you scout properly) but on your own skills. I love ling / baneling fights, the decision making of each player to see how they can maximize the damage and stuff like that.

Mid game you need to find the balance between units and drones, really awesome again to see the decision making. What about mid-late game? Infestors play is AWESOME, and it`s even better when there are INFESTORS DROP or INFESTORS BURROWED, if you guys haven`t see that, give it a shot, It`s awesome and I hope we can see some infestor heavily playstyle!


I'm curious if you're saying that as a zerg player or not, because in all of my ZvZ experience its pretty much exclusively luck based.

the opening builds are luck based. everything after that shouldn't be.


Somehow you quoted every part of his post except the part that answered you question where he mentioned he was a high master terran X_X
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#711
On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:52 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:51 Polox wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 Demonidze wrote:
I'd happily support e-sports by disabling any ad blockers. but paying 20$ for maybe 2-3 interesting matches I would love to see? nope, never.. ill proudly watch a restream.


Really?
So you can "pick and choose" when you want to help esports?
You are a true crusader for starcraft 2!


Anyone paying 20 dollar for this, is indirectly hurting e-sports.

could you please explain that "logic"


How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.


yes dreamhack has more viewers for their main event that MLG does for side events, what relevance does this have to the hurting of esports?
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#712
On May 21 2012 02:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Why does violet have the mask?

he is sick and doesnt want to pass it on to anyone else (so manner)

You'd think as a Zerg player he wouldn't mind infecting everyone there.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#713
On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.



Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#714
On May 21 2012 02:55 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:53 Za7oX wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:50 Choboo wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:49 Za7oX wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:44 AxionSteel wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:43 goswser wrote:
Symbol, Dongraegu, and Stephano are arguably the strongest three zergs in the world right now.


Agreed

And Parting, HerO & Squirtle are not here. Also MKP, MVP and ALive not here.

Hero? really?

Yes. HerO's vZ: 92-42 (68.66%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W L W W W


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z

You are looking at International. Don't look at International. It be bad.


Still, when you look at his KR record and the quality of players he's faced i'd still say it's damn impressive.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 20 2012 17:57 GMT
#715
On May 21 2012 02:56 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Why does violet have the mask?

he is sick and doesnt want to pass it on to anyone else (so manner)

You'd think as a Zerg player he wouldn't mind infecting everyone there.


Lol. Hiyoooooo.
Sargonian
Profile Joined February 2012
United States164 Posts
May 20 2012 17:57 GMT
#716
On May 21 2012 02:56 ratbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:54 McPhiz wrote:
it just me or does stephano look hungover lol

according to his twitter he is


uh oh, hungover versus sick, who will win in that battle :o


Is stephano raging it in the USA? ^_^
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
May 20 2012 17:57 GMT
#717
Oceanlab - Satellite (Seven Lions Mix) Dubstep

for whoever wanted to know the music...
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
May 20 2012 17:57 GMT
#718
I think I actually like Stephano's chances here. And I think foreigners did fairly decently this weekend, I actually think there were more foreigner-foreigner kills than Koreans beating them. And I think every foreigner of the higher tiers beat a Korean nicely. And when you look at the results, remember that the event started with way more Koreans than foreigners.

So yeah, obviously the gap isn't gone (except stephano,) but maybe some hope? :D
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 20 2012 17:57 GMT
#719
On May 21 2012 02:50 ashortstory wrote:
Seriously, why do you guys hate ZXZ and say it`s boring?

I honestly don`t get it. ZXZ is probably the most intense matchup of the whole game. Early game is based on pure micro. The best one with the best micro wins, simply as that. It`s not based on luck (some say it is, but in fact it is not if you scout properly) but on your own skills. I love ling / baneling fights, the decision making of each player to see how they can maximize the damage and stuff like that.

Mid game you need to find the balance between units and drones, really awesome again to see the decision making. What about mid-late game? Infestors play is AWESOME, and it`s even better when there are INFESTORS DROP or INFESTORS BURROWED, if you guys haven`t see that, give it a shot, It`s awesome and I hope we can see some infestor heavily playstyle!

ZXZ in a spectator point of view is just perfect. I`m not zerg and I`m high master terran.



Zerg is always about unit/drones and Infestor play. Not just in ZvZ.
Its not totally luck based, mostly the ling/baneling part. In general there is not much variation in the ZvZ gameplay. The only question is if someones goes muta or not.
I like that the matchup is action-heavy, but from a strategical point its the least interesting.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
May 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#720
On May 21 2012 02:54 Thomanson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink*


I'd love to have free UFC events live.


I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run.


Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight.


oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports"



Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without.


And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market)



not true

if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought..

if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows..

piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME

and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$.


Ads and sponsors. Free is not what you think it is. Entertainment doesn't just magically fucking appear for your amusement. Supporting the things you enjoy increases the chances of you having MORE things to enjoy in the future.


Watching something is supportive enough because of how rating works. Ads are the better system. I prefer Youtube giving me ads than having to pay for it. I feel I let them do their stuff while I do mine. Trade of interests.
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