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On May 20 2012 06:11 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 06:05 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 20 2012 06:03 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:47 The_Darkness wrote:
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MC isn't at all better than stephano. He squeaked out that FC win after Stephano was coming off a 10 day lay off. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP, who is far better at zvp than MC. Stephano is the better player, IMO and this is evidenced by his having a higher Elo in the matchup. Having taken down MC Stephano will trust himself and stomp MC just like all of the other protosses - at least that's what I predict. Go Stephano! Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2. MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. H2H record from a year ago, combined with tournament results from just 2012? Besides the relevance of these stats, it's obvious that you're massaging the stats you're giving to paint Stephano in a worse light. Lifetime results are great for evaluating a player's career but not for how skilled they are right now. Tournament results are heavily dependent on the roll of the dice a lot of the times due to the way brackets are set up. Squirtle has zero LAN wins in 2012, does this make him worse than MC? Lmao you act as if the H2H record taking from a year ago was what made the H2H record so one-sided. Blizz cup was just a few months ago, HSC wasn't that long ago, and IPL FC was just a few weeks ago. He lost 1 game to MC in Blizzard Cup, and 4 in HSC. HSC 3 was one year ago. Counting only the HSC 4 result -> Stephano is 2-3 vs. MC on LANs, 3-5 vs. him online. It's a decent result considering MC's PvZ is enough to 3-0 DRG. Can both of you stop cherry picking results? Yes, results from a few months ago aren't really relevant. At the same time, DRG was playing like shit on the first day of Arena 1, and showed much better play on the second day, where he proceeded to crush MC (and beat MKP, which imo was the much more impressive feat).
the only ones cherry picking results are stephano fanboys.
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Why did we have to bring Squirtle into this -_- he's better than MC atm, we'll see if he can pull it off consistently or if he will do a Genius.
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Weird bug, supply count is the wrong colour?
EDIT: I'm talking polt v Symbol, the colours on the top right supply count is reversed.
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There's a reason all the Koreans are scared of Polt!
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On May 20 2012 06:15 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:14 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Cloud kingdom is the map for game 2,
Polt spawning bottom left,
Symbol spawning top right. standard openigns, 15hatch vs 1 rax CC double gas for polt, looks like 1rax CC into fac, * grubby and ryung setting up atm i think 6:00 reactor hellion from polt, taking a third CC, symbol added 2 gas 8:00 symbol attacking with about 11 roach, behind it taking a third and a macro hatch
10:00 polt has barely any units, oging to be hard for him to not take enough damage, a lot of drones on the way for symbol. a marauder is out, but symbol is shutting down mining at the natural, polt finally pushes him away.
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awesome pressure by symbol (with economic followup)!
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Just got in... wow, Europeans fighting!
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On May 20 2012 06:08 ItchyLegs wrote:
On another note - looking at the bracket, it seems Heart has the easiest run. Discuss!
I gueess.. although by now everyone has to admit stephano is a force to be reckoned with. And honestly I don't know much about Inori (which means I probably underestimate him). Can someone fill me in on him?
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Well
+ Show Spoiler +champions league has gone to penalties
eff that tension when I don't even care who wins, on to UMVC3 and LR chatting.
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On May 20 2012 06:17 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:08 ItchyLegs wrote:
On another note - looking at the bracket, it seems Heart has the easiest run. Discuss! I gueess.. although by now everyone has to admit stephano is a force to be reckoned with. And honestly I don't know much about Inori (which means I probably underestimate him). Can someone fill me in on him?
He's beaten Stephano and lost to Idra.
He plays really cheesy and all-inish coin flippy builds.
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On May 20 2012 06:16 Fragile51 wrote:
Weird bug, supply count is the wrong colour?
EDIT: I'm talking polt v Symbol, the colours on the top right supply count is reversed.
Not sure, but alt+f (team color) could be on.
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On May 20 2012 06:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:15 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:14 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Cloud kingdom is the map for game 2,
Polt spawning bottom left,
Symbol spawning top right. standard openigns, 15hatch vs 1 rax CC double gas for polt, looks like 1rax CC into fac, * grubby and ryung setting up atm i think 6:00 reactor hellion from polt, taking a third CC, symbol added 2 gas 8:00 symbol attacking with about 11 roach, behind it taking a third and a macro hatch 10:00 polt has barely any units, oging to be hard for him to not take enough damage, a lot of drones on the way for symbol. a marauder is out, but symbol is shutting down mining at the natural, polt finally pushes him away.
13:00 stymbol taking a 4th, polt doing a push, 4th is cancelled.
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On May 20 2012 06:18 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:15 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:14 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Cloud kingdom is the map for game 2,
Polt spawning bottom left,
Symbol spawning top right. standard openigns, 15hatch vs 1 rax CC double gas for polt, looks like 1rax CC into fac, * grubby and ryung setting up atm i think 6:00 reactor hellion from polt, taking a third CC, symbol added 2 gas 8:00 symbol attacking with about 11 roach, behind it taking a third and a macro hatch 10:00 polt has barely any units, oging to be hard for him to not take enough damage, a lot of drones on the way for symbol. a marauder is out, but symbol is shutting down mining at the natural, polt finally pushes him away. 13:00 stymbol taking a 4th, polt doing a push, 4th is cancelled.
Thanks so much for this, btw ^_^
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I missed the first game between Tefel vs. Alicia, who won and how?
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On May 20 2012 06:13 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 06:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 06:05 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 20 2012 06:03 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0
Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2.
MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. H2H record from a year ago, combined with tournament results from just 2012? Besides the relevance of these stats, it's obvious that you're massaging the stats you're giving to paint Stephano in a worse light. Lifetime results are great for evaluating a player's career but not for how skilled they are right now. Tournament results are heavily dependent on the roll of the dice a lot of the times due to the way brackets are set up. Squirtle has zero LAN wins in 2012, does this make him worse than MC? Lmao you act as if the H2H record taking from a year ago was what made the H2H record so one-sided. Blizz cup was just a few months ago, HSC wasn't that long ago, and IPL FC was just a few weeks ago. He lost 1 game to MC in Blizzard Cup, and 4 in HSC. HSC 3 was one year ago. Counting only the HSC 4 result -> Stephano is 2-3 vs. MC on LANs, 3-5 vs. him online. It's a decent result considering MC's PvZ is enough to 3-0 DRG. Can both of you stop cherry picking results? Yes, results from a few months ago aren't really relevant. At the same time, DRG was playing like shit on the first day of Arena 1, and showed much better play on the second day, where he proceeded to crush MC (and beat MKP, which imo was the much more impressive feat). Playing terribly is not an excuse when you base your arguments on results, which is what the person I was responding to is doing. MC is 4-3 vs. DRG in Arena 1 under this argument, which puts his 3-2 vs. Stephano in perspective.
And at the same time, a transitive argument here is rather inaccurate. Even if we're arguing current form based on overall results (which is stupid, I agree), the similarities between MC/Stephano and MC/DRG end at the fact that it's a PvZ. I don't think either result puts anything into perspective, especially since the scores are so close.
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On May 20 2012 06:18 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:15 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:14 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Cloud kingdom is the map for game 2,
Polt spawning bottom left,
Symbol spawning top right. standard openigns, 15hatch vs 1 rax CC double gas for polt, looks like 1rax CC into fac, * grubby and ryung setting up atm i think 6:00 reactor hellion from polt, taking a third CC, symbol added 2 gas 8:00 symbol attacking with about 11 roach, behind it taking a third and a macro hatch 10:00 polt has barely any units, oging to be hard for him to not take enough damage, a lot of drones on the way for symbol. a marauder is out, but symbol is shutting down mining at the natural, polt finally pushes him away. 13:00 stymbol taking a 4th, polt doing a push, 4th is cancelled.
14:00 2 more bases and hive on the way for symbol, polt in a bit of trouble, now adding 2 fact, might be a mech tranisition? or just thor/tank/marine
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On May 20 2012 06:17 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:17 hefty wrote:On May 20 2012 06:08 ItchyLegs wrote:
On another note - looking at the bracket, it seems Heart has the easiest run. Discuss! I gueess.. although by now everyone has to admit stephano is a force to be reckoned with. And honestly I don't know much about Inori (which means I probably underestimate him). Can someone fill me in on him? He's beaten Stephano and lost to Idra. He plays really cheesy and all-inish coin flippy builds.
Thanks.
Sounds like a fun(?) player!
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On May 20 2012 06:20 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:18 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:15 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:14 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Cloud kingdom is the map for game 2,
Polt spawning bottom left,
Symbol spawning top right. standard openigns, 15hatch vs 1 rax CC double gas for polt, looks like 1rax CC into fac, * grubby and ryung setting up atm i think 6:00 reactor hellion from polt, taking a third CC, symbol added 2 gas 8:00 symbol attacking with about 11 roach, behind it taking a third and a macro hatch 10:00 polt has barely any units, oging to be hard for him to not take enough damage, a lot of drones on the way for symbol. a marauder is out, but symbol is shutting down mining at the natural, polt finally pushes him away. 13:00 stymbol taking a 4th, polt doing a push, 4th is cancelled. 14:00 2 more bases and hive on the way for symbol, polt in a bit of trouble, now adding 2 fact, might be a mech tranisition? or just thor/tank/marine
16:00 ultra cavern on the way, 3-3 20% done for polt, 5 banes kill almost 20 workers at polts 3rd, polt in a bit of trouble
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MC vs DRG could be a fun series!
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On May 20 2012 06:20 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:13 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 06:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 06:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 06:05 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 20 2012 06:03 Azarkon wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:
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Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0
Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1
Thorzain is the better player.
I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. H2H record from a year ago, combined with tournament results from just 2012? Besides the relevance of these stats, it's obvious that you're massaging the stats you're giving to paint Stephano in a worse light. Lifetime results are great for evaluating a player's career but not for how skilled they are right now. Tournament results are heavily dependent on the roll of the dice a lot of the times due to the way brackets are set up. Squirtle has zero LAN wins in 2012, does this make him worse than MC? Lmao you act as if the H2H record taking from a year ago was what made the H2H record so one-sided. Blizz cup was just a few months ago, HSC wasn't that long ago, and IPL FC was just a few weeks ago. He lost 1 game to MC in Blizzard Cup, and 4 in HSC. HSC 3 was one year ago. Counting only the HSC 4 result -> Stephano is 2-3 vs. MC on LANs, 3-5 vs. him online. It's a decent result considering MC's PvZ is enough to 3-0 DRG. Can both of you stop cherry picking results? Yes, results from a few months ago aren't really relevant. At the same time, DRG was playing like shit on the first day of Arena 1, and showed much better play on the second day, where he proceeded to crush MC (and beat MKP, which imo was the much more impressive feat). Playing terribly is not an excuse when you base your arguments on results, which is what the person I was responding to is doing. MC is 4-3 vs. DRG in Arena 1 under this argument, which puts his 3-2 vs. Stephano in perspective. And at the same time, a transitive argument here is rather inaccurate. Even if we're arguing current form based on overall results (which is stupid, I agree), the similarities between MC/Stephano and MC/DRG end at the fact that it's a PvZ. I don't think either result puts anything into perspective, especially since the scores are so close.
Yeah, I don't enjoy using results for arguing about skill. You have to watch the players and see what they do.
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