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On May 20 2012 13:56 Trizz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 MrHoon wrote:it's like jaedong had the micro and macro for starcraft 2 but had no idea how the game worked  THIS EXACTLY. People saying he played bad only looked at how he lost. JD had top notch macro and micro but made horrible decisions.
Yeah, dead on mechanics, but he seemed like he was using them on all the wrong things - there wasn't much creep, lots of clumped roaches, poor engages. However, his roach control where he had them split into multiple groups was clearly there (but not used when he needed it most - when toss moves out), and his macro seemed to be really on.
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On May 20 2012 13:55 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:54 StarBrift wrote:
So this should put to rest any discussion on how much time and effort is needed to learn to execute a 2 base all in vs zerg vs how much it takes to learn to defend it. Yes because the two players definitely have played SC2 for the same amount of time and of course it doesn't at all depend on the individual player.
Have you ever actually tried to hold it as Z? It's a lot harder than most people who only play protoss think.
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Go CJ show them that SC2 is a just a drop in the sea for you .
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On May 20 2012 13:57 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:56 IshinShishi wrote:
This game jaedong showed impeccable macro and decent micro, he lost because of simple but essential things like (non-existant) creep spread and allowing his army to get forcefielded off, a simple flank on creep and sun would've turned into blue goo. creep spread is part of macro.
I think you need to learn what macro means.
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honestly for new players that 2 base immortal bullshit is a lot easier to execute then defend
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Jaedong impressed me a lot he just needs time
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I wonder what these BW zergs are studying for SC2. I thought Jaedong was going for the full Stephano build but he kind of just started...doing not much of anything once that 6 gate was scouted. If Stephano can max out at 11m, I'd imagine Jaedong can with some practice. That Toss didn't do a bit of harrass either, Jaedong got to 68 drones rather quickly, etc. Basically everything seemed to be going good but he played like he didn't know what Sentries and Immortals do
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On May 20 2012 13:59 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:57 Popkiller wrote:On May 20 2012 13:56 IshinShishi wrote:
This game jaedong showed impeccable macro and decent micro, he lost because of simple but essential things like (non-existant) creep spread and allowing his army to get forcefielded off, a simple flank on creep and sun would've turned into blue goo. creep spread is part of macro. I think you need to learn what macro means.
tell me =(
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On May 20 2012 13:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 MrHoon wrote:it's like jaedong had the micro and macro for starcraft 2 but had no idea how the game worked This is to be expected. Mechanically, the BW pros are amazing, but as you would expect, their game sense is miles behind.
Yeah, pretty much this. I noticed that JD had pretty superb multitask in that 2 front battle, but his decisions just sucked.
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On May 20 2012 13:58 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:56 Shaoling wrote:
I think were going to have to coin a new term. gsl koreans and osl koreans. Why? Both will kill foreigners :D
nah man, what we saw from JD... pfft. not impressed.
and best "i didnt know what i was doing i just dropped like in BW".
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On May 20 2012 13:57 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:56 Dodgin wrote:
CJ vs KT next. will flash play bw or sc2? we'll see :o If he plays in SC2 then he can play BW for ace, so I would expect to see him in SC2
huh, do you mean kt vs ace next week or something?
because I think the ace match is always sc2 and it doesn't count towards switching between games.
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On May 20 2012 13:56 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 Chicane wrote:On May 20 2012 13:52 J1.au wrote:
Ok, that's the minor teams out of the way. It's time to watch some actual good teams. Uhh... what? It is said SKT1 practiced the least. And they won! That means it only gets better from here possibly? Edit: The problem with Team 8 is the enviroment (they don't have the best atmosphere for practicing).
I know last season they didn't even have race coaches, I'm not sure about this season though
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On May 20 2012 13:59 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 NHY wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 ZjiublingZ wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 NHY wrote:
It was over the moment Sun moved out to attack JD. He droned too much. 68 drones is only about 3 more than Stephano uses to crush that attack, he didn't really overdrone. He got too much gas. You can't judge whether he overdroned or not by only looking at the number of drones made. He was about 1 inject cycle behind in roach/ling. 68 drones is way too much, especially versus this very efficient version of the immortal all-in. Also because I suspect jaedong doesn't have perfect sc2 macro yet.
Wrong, 68 drones is close to perfect what you want on 3 base roach style.
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...still cant believe sweep
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On May 20 2012 13:59 SiDX wrote:
Jaedong impressed me a lot he just needs time
Seriously. I was quite impressed until his decision to attack up the ramp. Everything felt pretty clean for someone who hasn't had the lengthy experience and knowledge of older SC2 pros.
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Jaedong needed the hydraroch to save him from that game.
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On May 20 2012 13:59 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 NHY wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 ZjiublingZ wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 NHY wrote:
It was over the moment Sun moved out to attack JD. He droned too much. 68 drones is only about 3 more than Stephano uses to crush that attack, he didn't really overdrone. He got too much gas. You can't judge whether he overdroned or not by only looking at the number of drones made. He was about 1 inject cycle behind in roach/ling. 68 drones is way too much, especially versus this very efficient version of the immortal all-in. Also because I suspect jaedong doesn't have perfect sc2 macro yet.
I also don't think he had a clear idea that it was coming, he only scouted the 1gate and robo so it could have been a sentry/immortal composition into a 3rd base on that map right?
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On May 20 2012 13:59 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 13:55 NHY wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 ZjiublingZ wrote:On May 20 2012 13:51 NHY wrote:
It was over the moment Sun moved out to attack JD. He droned too much. 68 drones is only about 3 more than Stephano uses to crush that attack, he didn't really overdrone. He got too much gas. You can't judge whether he overdroned or not by only looking at the number of drones made. He was about 1 inject cycle behind in roach/ling. 68 drones is way too much, especially versus this very efficient version of the immortal all-in. Also because I suspect jaedong doesn't have perfect sc2 macro yet.
Jaedong's macro was not faulty, when Sun moved out Jaedong quickly reached 170 supply compared to 100, his macro was fine, his tactics and knowledge of the game weren't.
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On May 20 2012 13:54 dragonborn wrote:
IdrA just tweeted it, looooool
Greg Fields @idrajit
Even jaedong can't win with sc2 zerg
Because they want somebody who has been playing the game for less than a month to be Bonjwa?? LOL. Idra trolling hard. lol./
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