EPTMvp fighting
[Code S] Semi-Final 2012 GSL Season 2 - Page 145
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:37 Derez wrote: MVP going into the finals as the favorite to be honest. Sure, its a lot of all-ins, but most of his games were stable 1 rax FE's, and not half as cheesy as people pretend. His games were simply put brilliant. His 1-1-1 was just way better executed as any other Terran's and his expo builds were simply not dumb "build 5raxes+medivacs and upgrades and mass army of 2base and then expand again" - he knows he has to do huge damage with this, so he tries to do so. Not play from behind and then question the matchup. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote: "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0 "Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. LR thread | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
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WhosTheSmuRf
United States56 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote: "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0 "Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here  | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
No shame in losing to MVP. Even if the games could arguably be called cheese games. Even if he has CTS. Because he is who he is, probably the most well rounded player in the world, and one of the best. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:41 Xpace wrote: Voted MVP/Squirtle, wanted to see MVP/Squirtle, got MVP/Squirtle. Good day, imo. And I still don't get why MVP/Hero was the most anticipated. Hasn't anybody been watching Squirtle? Hero's Liquid, it would be a revenge match, Squirtle wins a lot (but not all) PvT through the most dull 2base Colossus pushes imaginable. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote: What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here I think "Another Protoss winning" was refering to SangHo being the only Protoss in the RO16 one season. =P Obviously if you reach the RO16 then your race is clearly OP. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote: What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. | ||
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etrensce
Australia337 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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bleuzky
United States42 Posts
Not counting GSL seasons, anytime someone other than MVP becomes GSL Rank #1, MVP has won the next season (MVP was original #1; When MC took #1 after March, MVP won WC, retaking #1; Nestea taking #1 after July, MVP won August and retook #1; DRG taking #1 last season due to reset, MVP would overtake him by a slim margin if he wins). | ||
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d00fuz
Malaysia129 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:49 leo23 wrote: i missed the games. what build did mvp use? The ones where workers are offensive units :p | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote: How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. That's a fine point, but that just annoys me by principle. I'm a pretty empathetic person - I can understand that people really get into the game and root massively for a certain player or race. But I also believe that all fans deserve the satisfaction of seeing their favorite race win a fair amount. If the situations were magically reversed and Protoss switched places with Terran in terms of big-picture GSL success, I'd be extremely okay with a Terran champion or two, because it's about time - I'd say it's only fair to the Terran fans to see more Terran winners. But, that's not reality. The reality is that Terran has had the most champions and Protoss has had by far the least, and it just annoys me that despite all this, some people really want to see yet another Terran Code S win. Don't get me wrong - I clearly have no greater moral basis for my stance on this, and people who really want to see another Terran win aren't objectively wrong in any way. It's just my personal philosophy that all fans should see ideally their race win a roughly proportionate amount of times, because everyone deserves to be satisfied as viewers. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote: What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here Not going to argue balance as I believe it is the a futile argument to have with everyone having rigid preconceived notions but the statistics you are using are not representative of the current state of PvT (and neither the ones that I will present below). The Korean PvT last month was ~55-45 in Protoss favor. Also, if you just account for Code S PvT, it is 36-27 in toss favor. (accounting for today's games) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/2620_2012_GSL_S2_Code_S/games/TvP The point I am trying to make is not that the match-up is balanced or imbalanced either way. It is that the statistics that you are posting (and also the ones I am posting) are misleading as by changing the sample size set up or down, one can easily use them to support any preconceived biases the people have. Frankly, none of the sample sets often used to discuss balance have sufficient relevance to be actually used for balance discussion. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s14.postimage.org/ta9jis3yl/herosquirtle.jpg) | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
 I wonder how much he practised PvP and really analyzed Squirtle's playstyle... | ||
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