On May 01 2012 19:23 niteReloaded wrote: I don't rate Morrow too highly, coz I didn't see any real proof of quality lately, but based on how terribad Idra is, I think the Swede takes this... btw Idra should either quit progaming, or hire a shrink, he's stuck in his "I should be winning because I do stuff that are 1% +EV, but since every possible circumstance is agianst me, I lose, and am frustrated - therefore ragequit to protest against those painful circumstances" mindset for too long, while for example Stephano rapes even Asian asses and goes to the bank over and over.
Hahahahah, quit progaming when he is well etablished in top10 foreigners? That's just stupid ;o You don't know Idra, and you are still able to evaluate how his mind works? Can you teach me how to do that to people I don't know?
He is definitely not a top 10 foreigner.
He definitely is though.
Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Huk are definitely better than Idra
then come White-Ra Sase Ret Kas Sheth Dimaga Grubby Socke NightEnd (I probably forgot some too)
Who are IMO capable of winning or losing a let's say BO7 vs Idra, depending on the form. But yeah Idra probably is top10.
Nerchio, and he belongs in the "definitely better than idra" category
Judged by what?
His result the last 6 months. Can you read stats plz and then come back and we can have this discussion again. Its pointless arguing with you when you dont even check result or stats the last 6 months you just spout useless crap without any sort of evidence to backup you enormous claims.
Whats the point of having ELO or statistic or tournaments if people like you just ignore all the facts becuase in you mind Idra is still a top competive player.
On May 01 2012 19:23 niteReloaded wrote: I don't rate Morrow too highly, coz I didn't see any real proof of quality lately, but based on how terribad Idra is, I think the Swede takes this... btw Idra should either quit progaming, or hire a shrink, he's stuck in his "I should be winning because I do stuff that are 1% +EV, but since every possible circumstance is agianst me, I lose, and am frustrated - therefore ragequit to protest against those painful circumstances" mindset for too long, while for example Stephano rapes even Asian asses and goes to the bank over and over.
Hahahahah, quit progaming when he is well etablished in top10 foreigners? That's just stupid ;o You don't know Idra, and you are still able to evaluate how his mind works? Can you teach me how to do that to people I don't know?
He is definitely not a top 10 foreigner.
He definitely is though.
Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Huk are definitely better than Idra
then come White-Ra Sase Ret Kas Sheth Dimaga Grubby Socke NightEnd (I probably forgot some too)
Who are IMO capable of winning or losing a let's say BO7 vs Idra, depending on the form. But yeah Idra probably is top10.
Morrow, Nerchio, Lucifron, BeastyQT, Feast... as you said, the list still may be extended, but the point is, almost any foreigner can win or lose a BO7 series against Idra at the moment.
Right now, Idra is an average foreigner, he can take series off of most other foreigners and occasionally beat top foreigners or sometimes even koreans, but that's the case for almost any full-time pro in SC2. He's in the spectrum where talking about top 10 or top 20 doesn't really matter because he's in no way significantly better than the wide range of other foreigners. And that's exactly what everyone could observe in at least the past 6 months.
However, this also indicates Idra vs. Morrow should be a good series because it can go either way.
this thread is full of all sorts of win. this thread should be hyped more cuz its making me want to buy a pass for this showmatch! i think i just might. morrow/idra FIGHTING!
On May 01 2012 23:14 MorroW wrote: good luck have fun hoping to show good games and thank you very much nasl for inviting me, i got super happy and flattered
naniwa - out of here, if you were good enough youd be invited to showmatches instead of putting up your own money. go practice for your little tournament in korea, whatever its called now i cant remember~
:-)
hahaha, yessssss. thank god I follow Morrow on twitter or I would have missed all this....cannot wait for everything that's already been put out there the last 9 pages of this thread!!!
On May 01 2012 14:12 Naniwa wrote: ahh.. they said i couldnt pick idra T_T
too bad. much as i despise that matchup you're fucking awful pvz.
^^ we can play two weeks after my gsl run and see just how awful i am
how about we both put up 1000 dollar each ^_^
Since when do professional players go all wild wild west on each other. Play a showmatch on NASL or something, why throw around these foolish claims about betting against each other. Nothing but macho showing off...
Because this is better than a NASL show match. Macho showing off? It's two respected players confident in their skill to wager their own funds, in a series against each other.
Sometimes I forget how young this community is on average. I'll bet you X on condition Y is something you do in primary school. Nowhere in professional sports do you see people putting money on the table to challenge someone. Could you imagine Tyson saying to Holyfield: "here's 20k, you and me, mano a mano"? No, right? It's silly. Nor did Jordan challenge Malone to a one on one. It's childish.
Which isn't to say that Idra and Naniwa shouldn't play the showmatch nor that I'm not looking forward to it.
Money matches happened all the time in wc3, afaik. Also, just because it doesn't happen in pro sports is not a valid argument that it shouldnt happen in sc2. Personally, i think it's awesome.
These kind of bets are soooo common, just not in SC2... Happens all the time in poker etc. Don't you think it happens in golf, dart, snooker, etc aswell? I bet you it's a lot more common then you think...
So Naniwa all but confirmed he's going to be in one of these showmatches against a player of his choice (since he said they wouldn't let him pick Idra). In before Naniwa vs Thorzain is announced.
On May 01 2012 20:12 Benjamin99 wrote: Holt shit this thread lol.
First of all I dont think Naniwa should call anyone out before he accept the showmatch with Stephano whom have been trying to get that match for like 2 months now.
I think you must have missed the part where Naniwa accepted the Showmatch and Stephano backed down .
Hmm no he didnt Stephano just didnt wanted to donate his own money but he are very interested in a showmatch. Matter infact he have wanted a showmatch for ages against Naniwa. You might want to keep up on the facts.
If there's no money on the line, why would anyone play their best? To show good games? Reveal new strategies just for the pride?
Yeah, that's probably it..
If you want a REAL showmatch, there has to be something on the line. Otherwise nobody will play their best...
Maybe if Idra have to put from his own pocket he will play legit games, not put up half-ass shows as those we've seen lately which make him look like a total loser?
On May 02 2012 00:13 subl1me wrote: Holy shit Morrow, this thread is burning
haha dont worry
i was just joking. me and naniwa are very good friends and ive been cheering on him very much in gsl (cant describe how excited i am for nani vs mvp xD)
On May 01 2012 20:10 Digitalis wrote: He called him a sociopath not a psychopath.
There's no functional difference between terms sociopathy, psychopathy, antisocial personality, antisociality, sociopathic personality with antisocial reactions or personality disorder of antisocial type. They're refering to the same phenomenon, and the only difference is who is the author, and what angle he's writing given text from. There has been suggestions to use one term sociopath for all people with the disorder, and psychopath only to those with criminal tendencies, but it never caught on, as no serious researcher will do this since there's been very little success in telling the two groups apart on any other basis than "got caught".
That said... if he called him goal oriented, fearless person that does not make needless attachements - doesn't seen like such a bad thing. Though I'm not sure where he got superficial niceness vibe from Nani, that's kind of a biggie.
As an Idra fan I sure hope he doesn't decide to 6 pool if he start losing. Has a bad habit of doing that in show matches. Should be easy for Idra if he plays well.
People who are trash talking Idra and Naniwa need to grow the fuck up. Please it's embarrassing to see those sort of posts and they're the reasons why pros don't post at TL more. I'm going to go a step further and say that haters are retarded. This is esports, not football. If you want to legitimize esports you can't have fans trash talking like teenagers on Xbox live. Being a fan of a player is great. "Hating" a player, ie openly being an asshole to someone who's contributed more to the scene than you probably ever will, is stupid. You have every right to not like X or Y player, but openly berating a player for a reason that doesn't involve that player doing something that harms esports is just dumb. Don't do it. Players will do it to themselves, but they've earned that right because they're the reasons esports exists. Fans are important. Haters kill esports. Think about it, stop trash-talking, thanks!
Props to Idra vs Naniwa, I'd watch that shit. x)
And also props to Morrow vs Idra, nice show match.