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On Apr 22 2012 17:57<span style='color:#d20000'> (1 min)</span> sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On Apr 22 2012 17:56<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> x2mirko wrote:On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> Gandhi wrote:On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. Well, he essentially didn't build anything but drones and tech until minute 13. I'd say that can easily be considered a cheese. While most cheeses sacrifice everything for army, this sacrificed everything for tech. If genius attacked earlier, ret would have been in lots of trouble you have to calculate that he saw early third from genius and knew he would have a smaller army.. i think he made the right decision in that case, he lost the game only because of having no support and too many drones later on.
absolutely. I'd say that decision was awesome. I was just explaining how one could consider this type of style cheesy. I didn't even make the statement that it was cheese in the first place :D
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On April 23 2012 00:57 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:56 x2mirko wrote:On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> Gandhi wrote:On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. Well, he essentially didn't build anything but drones and tech until minute 13. I'd say that can easily be considered a cheese. While most cheeses sacrifice everything for army, this sacrificed everything for tech. If genius attacked earlier, ret would have been in lots of trouble He had map control and had roach tech ready incase he needed to make units.
Then he made 100 drones and 200/200'ed on 10 brood lords and 5 infestors, had everything die, and burned his entire bank in his second army.
He essentially went all in lol
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On April 23 2012 00:56 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:52 Gandhi wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. The same way 2 base battlecruiser and 1 base mothership is a cheese, imo. That was really some hope based play by Ret, "let's build 100 drones, rush to Broodlords and see if Protoss can break the spine crawler infestor turtle lolololol". Well, Genius just went around it and that was it.
haha 5 base BL cheese??? ............................... ?????
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On April 23 2012 00:56 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:52 Gandhi wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. LOL yeah that's another first. Never heard that one before. BL cheese. 
Well... Cheese is pretty much a relative term
But it was incredibly greedy, going to 100 drones at about the 10 minute mark. He will die to ANY timing attack imo.
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since when did massive droning equal good macro?
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Really don't like that they have shakuras plateau in the map pool. It is such a bad map.
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On April 23 2012 00:56 x2mirko wrote:Show nested quote +On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> Gandhi wrote:On Apr 22 2012 17:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (2 min)</span> ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. Well, he essentially didn't build anything but drones and tech until minute 13. I'd say that can easily be considered a cheese. While most cheeses sacrifice everything for army, this sacrificed everything for tech. If genius attacked earlier, ret would have been in lots of trouble
5base Split Map Timing Push Cheese.
Gotcha man
+ Show Spoiler +I do agree with you that it is overly greedy and gimmicky to do such a Monobattle strat--but cheese has such a "specific" connotation of underhandedness that I don't think it's fair to describe a Broodlord rush as cheese.
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Stephano has the BEST Hive play of all the Zergs I've seen, and that includes DRG and Nestea. He understands that tech in a way that few other Zergs do - and he knows how to attack with it. Yeah, Dimaga's method works, too, but fuck does that make for a boring game.
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On April 23 2012 00:57 Jongl0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:56 ZenithM wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 Gandhi wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. The same way 2 base battlecruiser and 1 base mothership is a cheese, imo. That was really some hope based play by Ret, "let's build 100 drones, rush to Broodlords and see if Protoss can break the spine crawler infestor turtle lolololol". Well, Genius just went around it and that was it. That's just stupid.
Well, tell that to Ret, because that's what happened. It's not like I'm the first to say that. Ret has a tendency to overdroning and taking economic risk.
I'd admit that "cheese" is a questionable term, but that was at the very least a "BL rush" and it didn't pay off.
Edit: And for the record, Greater spire was started on 3 base, not 5, folks.
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Genius pulling an Inca?! D:
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my god guys he scouted the 3rd and reacted, there was NOTHING risky about rets play
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On April 23 2012 01:00 Azarkon wrote:
Stephano has the BEST Hive play of all the Zergs I've seen, and that includes DRG and Nestea. He understands that tech in a way that few other Zergs do - and he knows how to attack with it. Yeah, Dimaga's method works, too, but fuck does that make for a boring game.
Could you please stop this fanboyism? Thank you.
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On April 23 2012 01:00 labbe wrote:
Really don't like that they have shakuras plateau in the map pool. It is such a bad map.
New maps are bad !
Old maps are bad !
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On April 23 2012 00:59 jammedk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:56 usethis2 wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 Gandhi wrote:On April 23 2012 00:52 ZenithM wrote:
That BL cheese was underestimating Genius a bit :/ How is BL ever a cheese. LOL yeah that's another first. Never heard that one before. BL cheese. Well... Cheese is pretty much a relative term But it was incredibly greedy, going to 100 drones at about the 10 minute mark. He will die to ANY timing attack imo.
He scouted what Genius was doing and knew that he was safe and could drone up, he just didn't turtle well enough and took a bad fight he was never able to win.
More spines and more bl/infestor and he wins this easily
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On April 23 2012 01:01 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:00 labbe wrote:
Really don't like that they have shakuras plateau in the map pool. It is such a bad map. New maps are bad ! Old maps are bad !
Everything is bad!
Blizz fix plz
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On April 23 2012 01:01 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:00 Azarkon wrote:
Stephano has the BEST Hive play of all the Zergs I've seen, and that includes DRG and Nestea. He understands that tech in a way that few other Zergs do - and he knows how to attack with it. Yeah, Dimaga's method works, too, but fuck does that make for a boring game.
Could you please stop this fanboyism? Thank you.
No, because it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
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On April 23 2012 01:00 Fragile51 wrote:
Genius pulling an Inca?! D:
That implies to losing to Zergs you know?
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On April 23 2012 01:00 Tsubbi wrote:
my god guys he scouted the 3rd and reacted, there was NOTHING risky about rets play
When Genius decided to attack, he demolished Ret's army. It's not like Genius had a lucky position.
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On April 23 2012 01:00 Azarkon wrote:
Stephano has the BEST Hive play of all the Zergs I've seen, and that includes DRG and Nestea. He understands that tech in a way that few other Zergs do - and he knows how to attack with it. Yeah, Dimaga's method works, too, but fuck does that make for a boring game.
Maybe at IPL 4 the korean commentators, Mr Chae did call Stephano the best hive zerg in the world but its hard to say
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Interesting +1 blink play, this is quite wierd!
I always open +2 blink, but this +1 hits quite earlier.
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