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On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z.
Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance
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Wow the players in the Round of 16 are making me think that a Protoss may actually be the champion this year.
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On April 14 2012 18:07 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:06 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:57 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:56 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:54 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:53 HaXeR wrote:
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So.. 3 gate always do dmg? :D
I mean big dmg like killing expansion not forcing some units.
It was basicly 4gate with 3 gates. If mc had 1 additional gate it would be same situation. Yes killing the natural is a very popular goal point. 1 gate makes a huge difference btw >.< Then every protoss should use 3gate because u always kill hatch  Well if your opponent is better than you then you wont kill the hatch or trade efficiently. But Im pretty sure thats what SC2 is about right? The better player wins? Then in gsl every protoss should do it.. oh wait i never seen it. Go back to earlier seasons. Ok maybe in Open season. Thats your argument? Really? So Terrans should start doing 2rax allin every game? How u defend roach ling after u did not kill zerg with few setries with almost none energy? You don't if you didn't do enough damage... >.< Thats the whole point lol. Why do people think a build is supposed to be strong enough to withstand throwing an entire army away? 3 spines, few lings - pressure is over. Forcing your opponent to make this IS damage...
Just stop trying. He is obviously clueless and does not understand how forced lings and spines is damage.
This guy is either trolling or just bad.
OT:
The games today was good, had hoped for more zergs in ro16, but it's not uncommon for a low zerg amount in ro16 though, been like 3 in ro16 the last seasons.
Sad to see Nestea and DRG out though :|
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On April 14 2012 18:08 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z. Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance
Curious also decided to play terrible in most of his matches as well. Its pretty hard to judge balance when they decide to play their games out as they did(Aka terrible)
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On April 14 2012 18:05 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:03 thunddr wrote:7 Terrans, 7 Protoss, 2 Zergs is the breakdown in case anyone was wondering.  TheStC, TaeJa, SuperNoVa, Genius,  MarineKing,  July, Maru, hero, Virus, MC, Squirtle, Leenock, NaNiwa(!), MVP, PartinG Oz. + Show Spoiler +Notable knockouts in my opinion: MMA, Nestea, Polt, DRG, Jjakji, aLive. The other knockouts are important as well but these are the ones that stuck out to me. God dammit, why does Team Liquid still have problems labeling MarineKing as Protoss.
God dammit, why do people always use the wrong (BW) TLPD and label MKP as Protoss ;D
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On April 14 2012 18:07 Fubi wrote:
I'm literally gonna kill myself if the finals is PvP... (ok maybe not literally)
While not a huge fan of PvP myself, it is the only pairing that's not yet been in the finals, so it's about time^^
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Zerg is not the worst race. Even Nestea has said in IPL that zerg is favoured in ZvP. And TvZ is about as fair as you can get with zerg having the better late game and terran better early game.
Nestea lost today because he decided to go full retard with his decision making and units after losing to virus, add in the fact that MC has probably the best PvZ right now.
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On April 14 2012 18:06 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:04 SeaSwift wrote:On April 14 2012 18:03 Fortuna.424 wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 GreyKnight wrote:On April 14 2012 18:01 Fortuna.424 wrote:
At the time Mc expanded, Nestea could have just got 40 roaches with 40 lings in production and crushed him,
dont know why hes using this useless Hydra stile on a map this large that they need like centurys to walk over. I doubt this, MC had a high sentry count. he would not break through in time before MC's tech units kicked in. Well, Stephano does this every time. And Stephano has never won a map against MC. And Stephano and MC never faced since when Stephano started doing that. hate is in the air
MC 2-0'd stephano at the beginning of this year. MC would dominate Stephano even harder than he did nestea. Stop being a fanboy and ignoring statistics. I swear, it seems like every foreigner is trying to live vicariously through their favorite foreigner players.
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On April 14 2012 18:09 Aetos_ wrote:
Wow the players in the Round of 16 are making me think that a Protoss may actually be the champion this year.
ahh don't jinx it by calling it early >_<
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On April 14 2012 18:08 HaXeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:07 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 18:06 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:57 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:56 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:54 Medrea wrote:
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Yes killing the natural is a very popular goal point. 1 gate makes a huge difference btw >.< Then every protoss should use 3gate because u always kill hatch Well if your opponent is better than you then you wont kill the hatch or trade efficiently. But Im pretty sure thats what SC2 is about right? The better player wins? Then in gsl every protoss should do it.. oh wait i never seen it. Go back to earlier seasons. Ok maybe in Open season. Thats your argument? Really? So Terrans should start doing 2rax allin every game? How u defend roach ling after u did not kill zerg with few setries with almost none energy? You don't if you didn't do enough damage... >.< Thats the whole point lol. Why do people think a build is supposed to be strong enough to withstand throwing an entire army away? 3 spines, few lings - pressure is over. Forcing your opponent to make this IS damage... Not enough. Your invesment is way bigger.
You stop producing and continue teching and expanding the moment you see zerg commit to a defense. Pretty basic RTS. Not an allin.
Anyway im done its late, you win bro good work.
On April 14 2012 18:09 Unreliablex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:07 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 18:06 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:59 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:57 Medrea wrote:On April 14 2012 17:56 HaXeR wrote:On April 14 2012 17:54 Medrea wrote:
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Yes killing the natural is a very popular goal point. 1 gate makes a huge difference btw >.< Then every protoss should use 3gate because u always kill hatch Well if your opponent is better than you then you wont kill the hatch or trade efficiently. But Im pretty sure thats what SC2 is about right? The better player wins? Then in gsl every protoss should do it.. oh wait i never seen it. Go back to earlier seasons. Ok maybe in Open season. Thats your argument? Really? So Terrans should start doing 2rax allin every game? How u defend roach ling after u did not kill zerg with few setries with almost none energy? You don't if you didn't do enough damage... >.< Thats the whole point lol. Why do people think a build is supposed to be strong enough to withstand throwing an entire army away? 3 spines, few lings - pressure is over. Forcing your opponent to make this IS damage... Just stop trying. He is obviously clueless and does not understand how forced lings and spines is damage. This guy is either trolling or just bad. OT: The games today was good, had hoped for more zergs in ro16, but it's not uncommon for a low zerg amount in ro16 though, been like 3 in ro16 the last seasons. Sad to see Nestea and DRG out though :|
Yes thats what I am going with.
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On April 14 2012 18:09 Aetos_ wrote:
Wow the players in the Round of 16 are making me think that a Protoss may actually be the champion this year.
All the Terrans left are exceptionally good in the standard TvP matchup - with the small exception of SuperNoVa.
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On April 14 2012 18:08 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z. Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance
yeah, ofc all the Ps and Ts played perfectly, only Zergs played bad
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On April 14 2012 18:10 Ventor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:06 Zealot Orgy wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 SeaSwift wrote:On April 14 2012 18:03 Fortuna.424 wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 GreyKnight wrote:On April 14 2012 18:01 Fortuna.424 wrote:
At the time Mc expanded, Nestea could have just got 40 roaches with 40 lings in production and crushed him,
dont know why hes using this useless Hydra stile on a map this large that they need like centurys to walk over. I doubt this, MC had a high sentry count. he would not break through in time before MC's tech units kicked in. Well, Stephano does this every time. And Stephano has never won a map against MC. And Stephano and MC never faced since when Stephano started doing that. hate is in the air MC 2-0'd stephano at the beginning of this year. MC would dominate Stephano even harder than he did nestea. Stop being a fanboy and ignoring statistics. I swear, it seems like every foreigner is trying to live vicariously through their favorite foreigner players.
Nah he wouldn't, it's impossible to get slaughtered as easily as NesTea did in that series.
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On April 14 2012 18:08 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:05 Havik_ wrote:
A Protoss will win this season. I'm feeling it. Especially since PvZ is the hard match up for Protoss right now and there are only 2 Zergs...
Aiur fighting!! PvZ is favouring P at the moment. PvT is the hard one, because early-midgame T has the advantage, and lategame P has the advantage so it's kind of wonky. PvP also contributes to the problem - most PvP snipers aren't so good at PvT and PvZ as the ones who aren't good in PvP, unfortunately. This means that a PvP group would produce the best PvPers, but not necessarily the most all rounded players.
You're spreading misinformation, as shown by recent graphs, protoss has advantages in both the early and late game vs terran, having trouble only during the mid game, and most protoss players would agree that PvZ is their hardest matchup.
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lol zerg is the worst race?... more like there are barely any zerg players in gsl code S since forever.
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On April 14 2012 18:07 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:00 Arceus wrote:
I would have thought that Nestea was sleeping during the game if it's not for the player cam. It's like the worst game ever played by Nestea since open season one Every zerg gets some kind of comments like this after playing against Mc this year. It was not those zergs' fault.
MC played well, but he didnt do anything spectacular other than macro it up. At the same time Nestea built a bunch of units and a-move into collosi ball two times. gg. even you may put up a better fight
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On April 14 2012 18:08 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z. Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance
I think the problem is it is so easy for Zerg to fall apart to certain pressures or timings and even drop play. I think the only person I see fall apart badly that plays a different race is InCa for obvious reasons lol.
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On April 14 2012 18:10 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:09 Aetos_ wrote:
Wow the players in the Round of 16 are making me think that a Protoss may actually be the champion this year. All the Terrans left are exceptionally good in the standard TvP matchup - with the small exception of SuperNoVa.
What we need is MVP to show us some new TvP strats. Parting will wreck through all the current standard bio play.
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On April 14 2012 18:10 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:08 windsupernova wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z. Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance yeah, ofc all the Ps and Ts played perfectly, only Zergs played bad
The issue here though is that the leniancy for zerg is so much smaller than for the other races. You could just see what happened when Nestea tried to counter attack when MC went 3 gate attack. He just put down 1 pylon and he was safe to get out some units to stop the zerglings.
Zerg also gets punished badly for droning too much, and droning too little. It's one of the hardest races to macro properly.
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On April 14 2012 18:11 FidoDido wrote:
lol zerg is the worst race?... more like there are barely any zerg players in gsl code S since forever.
The reason for that being..?
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