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On April 08 2012 12:38 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:35 illsick wrote:On April 08 2012 12:29 Fubi wrote:On April 08 2012 12:27 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 08 2012 12:26 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 12:25 mycro wrote:
I started out cheering for Prime, now I want Prime to lose so much.
Why? ...what the hell do you think? Prime probably lost half of their supporters after the 4th game, me included. It was Prime's fault cuz....? no one's fault just seems like if StarTale wins, they deserved it but if prime wins, it's questionable and I just want a deserving team win with no controversy; would have loved it if parting was awarded the win and prime ended up winning This. The only way this won't be a tainted championship is for StarTale to win. Sorry to Prime fans, but either your team loses or wins* with a footnote. Even if Prime wins, I doubt they will be considered the champion by most. *probably because of a disconnect.
Exactly, any reason I had to hope for a victory for Prime completely vanished when there was nothing to be gained by it anymore. A victory for them would mean nothing compared to what it would for StarTale.
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On April 08 2012 12:38 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:31 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:26 Tantaburs wrote:On April 08 2012 12:24 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:21 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
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didnt blizzard twitter to say that is has nothing to do with LAN? link? even if they did say that i call BS you dont know what happened. so how can you call BS? How many games in BW got dropped in the history of BW? 1. And that was due to a power outage which was caused by a heater. Even if bnet was 99.9% stable, it means that you'll have a 10% chance of it happening at least once. Even if it was 99.999% stable, the more games you pile up, you'll have dropped games. Probability wise you won't dodge the bullet forever. You'll have dropped games, and every time, it'll be like this. are we talking about what happened today? or do you want to just talk about hypothetical situations in the future? I'm saying that the excuse is bullshit. There was one dropped game in BW and that was literally due to a power outage. Yes, there were regames that were given thanks to hardware issues but because of connectivity? never. So because it only happened once in BW there was no way it could have happened here? You have no way of know what happened there is no reason to take your opinion over that of a tech guy on the scene Your second point is a very fair point. At the same time, I think a probability of a connectivity issue thanks to b.net is far more likely than the excuse that they gave. That is all I'm saying. i have no idea what you are even talking about. some guy said it was an internet issue. i pointed out that they said it was not an internet issue. so, wtf are you talking about? if it was not an internet issue then it was not an internet issue. I'm saying it's very very likely an internet issue that they're covering up for PR, because chances of a random hardware failure in the middle of the match is far more slim than b.net finally dropping a game. Either way, tournaments really do need to deal with this better, especially with transferring advantages over to the player in the lead when the drop happens. It's far better than a 'regame' that'll mess up people's mentality. i have no opinion on what happened. i am not a tech guy, and even were I, i am not at the site, so i have no idea what happened. i am going to trust the opinion of people who are apparently there and know what they are talking about. i am also going to assume that they arent lying to us as part of some PR move. especially about something that can be so easily verified to be false. which do you think is a worse PR move? lying to everyone and then being proven wrong, or admitting there was an internet issue? How would anyone ever find out the truth?  I'm probably a bit more cynical than you about this though. Either way sucks that GSL/IPL has to deal with this shit.
blizzard has already given the fans a big "fuck you" to their request for LAN. im not sure why people would think that they would lie to cover up that LAN is better. they dont give a shit. even if it was an internet issue, they would still say "fuck you fans, im not giving you LAN."
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On April 08 2012 12:39 TheNessman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:36 itsjuspeter wrote:
Look, it's okay to be upset about the decision and even furious/mad about the lack of stability whether it be due to lack of LAN or IGN for not making sure connection issues like this could be avoided, BUT IT IS NEVER OKAY to start ridiculing the player who received the better end of a decision. MKP is showing great games and playing his heart out for his team and just doing his job. It's amazing how fickle and disgusting this community can become, if you stop supporting Prime now then you were never a true fan to begin with (I'm rooting for ST btw) but can you imagine how MKP feels? He has to potentially deal with a tainted victory but he has no choice but to play his best. Anyway point your anger towards blizzard/ign/or w/e but not the player. your post was too long and no on read it. Poll: Did you read the aforementioned post?Yes. (32) 57% No. (24) 43% 56 total votes Your vote: Did you read the aforementioned post? (Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
I only read it to spite you since I hate it when people say "tl;dr"
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On April 08 2012 12:39 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:37 Onos wrote:On April 08 2012 12:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 08 2012 12:31 vndods wrote:
Reading all these bitter comments are amazing. This isn't MKP's fault, He could have admitted he lost the game. this isn't Prime's fault, They could have admitted they lost the game. this isn't the Ref's faults. That's debatable. Bad decision, but then again I do not expect good referee decisions in any sport. Why should eSport be different. Reading all this entire discussion, it seems to me fair play is basically irrelevant. You only play to win. So if you could go out and physically hurt the other team's guys intentionally in say football, hockey, etc. that would be fine, because you play to win. he plays terran, it's always 100% possible to come back from any situation. it may have been a 1% chance, but that's still a real chance. therefore no they should not admit to a game where he had a "chance" of winning, sorry.
be quiet. Why would he admit? he never GG'ed you'll never know if he had that game won or not.
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On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.
Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think. WTF who is hating on him? no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss. please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it. and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1
Just cant help but love him when you watch his games
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On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.
Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think. WTF who is hating on him? no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss. please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it. and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1 Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP.
There are more people hating on MKP right now than there are people upset at the situation.
Just shows how toxic a community can be. I feel bad for MKP if he ever has to read any of the posts about him here. Really shows how people that call themselves "fans" turn so quickly. Its a little sad, but ultimately human nature
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On April 08 2012 12:37 MahE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:36 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:34 MahE wrote:On April 08 2012 12:33 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:32 stormchaser wrote:On April 08 2012 12:31 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:26 Tantaburs wrote:On April 08 2012 12:24 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:21 Milkis wrote:
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How many games in BW got dropped in the history of BW?
1. And that was due to a power outage which was caused by a heater.
Even if bnet was 99.9% stable, it means that you'll have a 10% chance of it happening at least once. Even if it was 99.999% stable, the more games you pile up, you'll have dropped games. Probability wise you won't dodge the bullet forever. You'll have dropped games, and every time, it'll be like this. are we talking about what happened today? or do you want to just talk about hypothetical situations in the future? I'm saying that the excuse is bullshit. There was one dropped game in BW and that was literally due to a power outage. Yes, there were regames that were given thanks to hardware issues but because of connectivity? never. So because it only happened once in BW there was no way it could have happened here? You have no way of know what happened there is no reason to take your opinion over that of a tech guy on the scene Your second point is a very fair point. At the same time, I think a probability of a connectivity issue thanks to b.net is far more likely than the excuse that they gave. That is all I'm saying. i have no idea what you are even talking about. some guy said it was an internet issue. i pointed out that they said it was not an internet issue. so, wtf are you talking about? if it was not an internet issue then it was not an internet issue. I'm saying it's very very likely an internet issue that they're covering up for PR, because chances of a random hardware failure in the middle of the match is far more slim than b.net finally dropping a game. Funny to see you in the sc2tournaments forum. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to watch big events anymore! What do you think of this: + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zFpeN.jpg) Isn't it horrible fucking form for them to do this, even if they aren't outright rigging the match? if the only thing in their rules was a "regame" then they stuck to their rules. I just hope all the major tournaments think of a better way of dealing with situations like this. This is how the tournament scenes get better and better -- the problem first needs to surface itself. It sucks for parting but I hope StarTale's loss tonight is at least justified in the future by organizers thinking of better solutions. There IS a system in place. The rule is that in the case of this kind of situation, the game is only a regame if it's impossible to make a call on the winner. Which is NOT the case.
Is it really impossible?
I think nearly every person I've talked to had a very clear idea that Parting had a massive advantage and probably would have rolled it to victory.
My point is: there are better solutions than a "clean" regame to give players who were ahead an advantage, and I hope all the tournament organizers look into them.
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On April 08 2012 12:39 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:35 carloselcoco wrote:On April 08 2012 12:33 Superlative wrote:
Why do people keep blaming MKP and "Prime"?
It was Gom that decided to re-game He could have said that he had lost... Which he had by a large margin... They didn't ask him. If they tell him to regame and he refuses, he'll put himself up for GSL ban and shame among the Korean netizens.
as well as his team.
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On April 08 2012 12:37 Kogutz wrote:
Where is the "korean honor" that people talks a lot?
I guess MKP should have gave up after that DC to avoid the rematch. He isn't even happy about his wins because of that shit. So save him and his team from this shitstorm and say that parting won that game. People will see him as a honest hero. And if PRIME win after the "surrender", they would be seen as real champions.
But now... if PRIME win, it will be lame.
I was in so much hype but after that DC, I don't even care.
That could go for StarTale as well considering the fact that Prime defeated them in RO6, and got the chance to come back in a new BO9 without any extensions.
Heck, FXO needed to be defeated 3 times before they got knocked out of GSTL.
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On April 08 2012 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.
Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think. WTF who is hating on him? no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss. please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it. and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1 Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP. Yea this is one of the worst LR threads i've seen 
Why the fuck would you hate MKP for accepting a regame? LOL... I hate the decision but MKP is the last one I would blame for it...
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You know what I love. People will bitch to no end that MKP got a free pass right now. In a 6 months time people will say "remember when MKP beat DRG twice at winter MLG's and than won the GSTL for his team? He was so badass I <3 MKP!" If a hard call changes your entire opinion of a player/team perhaps your opinion isn't worth much as it was anyways.
For MMA fans this is like hating Machida for winning the first fight against Shogun, even though it was the referees the made the decision. I don't hear people bitch at Machida, they bitch at the idiotic judges who make a bad decision.
Also squirtles push is so scary atm >.>
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On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.
Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think. WTF who is hating on him? no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss. please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it. and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1 Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP.
Just to be clear, a lot of people haven't lost respect for him, they've just become anti-fans. I still respect him, but will clear against him.
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On April 08 2012 12:38 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:31 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:26 Tantaburs wrote:On April 08 2012 12:24 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:21 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2012 12:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 08 2012 12:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
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didnt blizzard twitter to say that is has nothing to do with LAN? link? even if they did say that i call BS https://twitter.com/#!/dting888/status/188819332145479681you dont know what happened. so how can you call BS? How many games in BW got dropped in the history of BW? 1. And that was due to a power outage which was caused by a heater. Even if bnet was 99.9% stable, it means that you'll have a 10% chance of it happening at least once. Even if it was 99.999% stable, the more games you pile up, you'll have dropped games. Probability wise you won't dodge the bullet forever. You'll have dropped games, and every time, it'll be like this. are we talking about what happened today? or do you want to just talk about hypothetical situations in the future? I'm saying that the excuse is bullshit. There was one dropped game in BW and that was literally due to a power outage. Yes, there were regames that were given thanks to hardware issues but because of connectivity? never. So because it only happened once in BW there was no way it could have happened here? You have no way of know what happened there is no reason to take your opinion over that of a tech guy on the scene Your second point is a very fair point. At the same time, I think a probability of a connectivity issue thanks to b.net is far more likely than the excuse that they gave. That is all I'm saying. i have no idea what you are even talking about. some guy said it was an internet issue. i pointed out that they said it was not an internet issue. so, wtf are you talking about? if it was not an internet issue then it was not an internet issue. I'm saying it's very very likely an internet issue that they're covering up for PR, because chances of a random hardware failure in the middle of the match is far more slim than b.net finally dropping a game. Either way, tournaments really do need to deal with this better, especially with transferring advantages over to the player in the lead when the drop happens. It's far better than a 'regame' that'll mess up people's mentality. i have no opinion on what happened. i am not a tech guy, and even were I, i am not at the site, so i have no idea what happened. i am going to trust the opinion of people who are apparently there and know what they are talking about. i am also going to assume that they arent lying to us as part of some PR move. especially about something that can be so easily verified to be false. which do you think is a worse PR move? lying to everyone and then being proven wrong, or admitting there was an internet issue? except with basic knowledge you can tell that it's BS. - first calls it "internet problems" now it's "hardware problems". one is BS. those are two different problems - says it's dc from LOCAL internet - - if it's using LAN cords (which they should) to connect to the local internet, then it's BS - - if it's using WLAN, which means IPL is really bad, and shouldn't be doing that, then it's not really BS, but really retarded
i dont even have basic knowledge, so i wont comment.
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This reminds me of that world cup USA vs England game in football(or soccer, handegg, whatever) where usa got a goal even though the ball was never in the cage.
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to everyone who is talking about the amount of shit that people are talking about MKP, i would argue that there has been more people TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE TALKING SHIT.
ITS META.
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I wish mod would just stop all this regame call discussion. It's masking all the discussion of the current game.
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On April 08 2012 12:38 Noctulius wrote:
How you can not blame the Team? Do you guys really believe that if Prime had accept defeat the judges would still call a rematch?
The fuck? You want a team to surrender, and you think that would preserve the integrity of the match? When a guy gets hurt by a charging linebacker you want the other team to take off a guy in solidarity?
It's up to the judges to make these decisions. The players' job is to play. That's the whole point of competition.
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I wanted Prime to win initially.
But this situation of MKP vs Parting has made the GSTL Atmosphere exteremley awkward. Even MKP is not happy, even when beating Bomber, one of the big guns of Startale. (Although this is not the player's fault)
For this GSTL to be successful Sadly Startale has to win, or at the very least make it to game 9.
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On April 08 2012 12:40 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.
Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think. WTF who is hating on him? no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss. please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it. and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1 Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP. I'll have to reiterate this post people have been saying shit like "OMG I LOST RESPECT FOR MKP BECAUSE OF THIS" so yes people have been.
yeah, it's called the vocal minority.
my point about them not being respected / their opinions not mattering to ANYONE reasonable still stands.
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On April 08 2012 12:37 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:35 carloselcoco wrote:On April 08 2012 12:33 Superlative wrote:
Why do people keep blaming MKP and "Prime"?
It was Gom that decided to re-game He could have said that he had lost... Which he had by a large margin... He shouldn't be asked if the officials are doing their jobs in my opinion. It should fall entirely on the officials.
Yes players should never have a say and should only be officials in big tournaments.
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