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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
April 08 2012 03:38 GMT
#7801
On April 08 2012 12:37 Forbidden17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:35 Corsica wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Ozzon wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Vorenius wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:27 HaXXspetten wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:26 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:25 mycro wrote:
I started out cheering for Prime, now I want Prime to lose so much.



Why?

...what the hell do you think? Prime probably lost half of their supporters after the 4th game, me included.

Prime lost their supporters because MKP disconnected?

Did he do it on purpose? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Blame Blizzard for killing Esports. Blame GOM for the regame. Stop being an idiot.


This.



I think that White-ra would have accepted his loss

if he thought he loss, yes. but mkp didn't, and who are you to tell him he did, you don't even have the replay.





http://i.imgur.com/LPFZa.jpg


Nuff said.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7802
Gom didnt decide anything objective as possible. There are just too many mkp fans in the audience crying
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7803
On April 08 2012 12:30 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:29 mycro wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:26 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:25 mycro wrote:
I started out cheering for Prime, now I want Prime to lose so much.



Why?


Because that regame robbed PartinG of the greatest win in his progaming career. As much as I wanted Prime to win, that game by PartinG was a masterpiece that deserved a win. It just really tainted the finals for me...

and Prime was at fault exactly where?


Nowhere, it's not about Prime. It's about restoring balance, or whatever you want to call it. I want them to lose so that StarTale can have momentum again from that complete slap down.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7804
Wouldn't it be hilarious if there was a disc at the end of the last game and Prime were awarded with a win?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7805
On April 08 2012 12:35 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:33 Superlative wrote:
Why do people keep blaming MKP and "Prime"?

It was Gom that decided to re-game


He could have said that he had lost... Which he had by a large margin...
They didn't ask him.

If they tell him to regame and he refuses, he'll put himself up for GSL ban and shame among the Korean netizens.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7806
This LR has lost all the fun and just created disgust in me.
Good luck have fun, will be watching without this thread up =\
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7807
On April 08 2012 12:37 Onos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:31 vndods wrote:
Reading all these bitter comments are amazing.

This isn't MKP's fault,


He could have admitted he lost the game.

Show nested quote +
this isn't Prime's fault,


They could have admitted they lost the game.

Show nested quote +
this isn't the Ref's faults.


That's debatable. Bad decision, but then again I do not expect good referee decisions in any sport. Why should eSport be different.

Reading all this entire discussion, it seems to me fair play is basically irrelevant. You only play to win. So if you could go out and physically hurt the other team's guys intentionally in say football, hockey, etc. that would be fine, because you play to win.


1. He shouldnt
2. They shouldnt.
3. It was probably a terrible call but I see questionalbe calls by refs all the time so its not a huge deal to me. The only difference between this and that is that he had another chance to get the job done and didnt. Is it fair? NO, but he had a lot more of a chance than a lot of other athletes get.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7808
On April 08 2012 12:36 itsjuspeter wrote:
Look, it's okay to be upset about the decision and even furious/mad about the lack of stability whether it be due to lack of LAN or IGN for not making sure connection issues like this could be avoided, BUT IT IS NEVER OKAY to start ridiculing the player who received the better end of a decision. MKP is showing great games and playing his heart out for his team and just doing his job. It's amazing how fickle and disgusting this community can become, if you stop supporting Prime now then you were never a true fan to begin with (I'm rooting for ST btw) but can you imagine how MKP feels? He has to potentially deal with a tainted victory but he has no choice but to play his best. Anyway point your anger towards blizzard/ign/or w/e but not the player.


your post was too long and no on read it.


Poll: Did you read the aforementioned post?

Yes. (32)
 
57%

No. (24)
 
43%

56 total votes

Your vote: Did you read the aforementioned post?

(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.




User was banned for this post.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7809
On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.

Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think.


WTF who is hating on him?

no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss.

please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it.

and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1


Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP.

Yea this is one of the worst LR threads i've seen
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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7810
On April 08 2012 12:37 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:36 imareaver3 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:35 Corsica wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Ozzon wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Vorenius wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:27 HaXXspetten wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:26 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:25 mycro wrote:
I started out cheering for Prime, now I want Prime to lose so much.



Why?

...what the hell do you think? Prime probably lost half of their supporters after the 4th game, me included.

Prime lost their supporters because MKP disconnected?

Did he do it on purpose? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Blame Blizzard for killing Esports. Blame GOM for the regame. Stop being an idiot.


This.



I think that White-ra would have accepted his loss


White-ra doesn't have a team...


Which part of "Would have" you didnt understand?

Personally I'm confused how you could think white-ra would put his personal reputation and/or personal ethics ahead of his team's interests. No one in their right mind will give their away a game in a final of a team league even if they would consider it in an individual setting.
collegeBored
Profile Joined November 2002
United States1524 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7811
On April 08 2012 12:34 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:31 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:26 Tantaburs wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:24 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:23 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:21 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:16 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:11 L3g3nd_ wrote:
[quote]
yes it would have. it was an internet issue, LAN doesnt use the internet.

didnt blizzard twitter to say that is has nothing to do with LAN?

link? even if they did say that i call BS



you dont know what happened. so how can you call BS?


How many games in BW got dropped in the history of BW?

1. And that was due to a power outage which was caused by a heater.

Even if bnet was 99.9% stable, it means that you'll have a 10% chance of it happening at least once. Even if it was 99.999% stable, the more games you pile up, you'll have dropped games. Probability wise you won't dodge the bullet forever. You'll have dropped games, and every time, it'll be like this.

are we talking about what happened today? or do you want to just talk about hypothetical situations in the future?


I'm saying that the excuse is bullshit. There was one dropped game in BW and that was literally due to a power outage. Yes, there were regames that were given thanks to hardware issues but because of connectivity? never.


So because it only happened once in BW there was no way it could have happened here?

You have no way of know what happened there is no reason to take your opinion over that of a tech guy on the scene


Your second point is a very fair point. At the same time, I think a probability of a connectivity issue thanks to b.net is far more likely than the excuse that they gave. That is all I'm saying.

i have no idea what you are even talking about. some guy said it was an internet issue. i pointed out that they said it was not an internet issue. so, wtf are you talking about? if it was not an internet issue then it was not an internet issue.


I'm saying it's very very likely an internet issue that they're covering up for PR, because chances of a random hardware failure in the middle of the match is far more slim than b.net finally dropping a game.

Either way, tournaments really do need to deal with this better, especially with transferring advantages over to the player in the lead when the drop happens. It's far better than a 'regame' that'll mess up people's mentality.

i have no opinion on what happened. i am not a tech guy, and even were I, i am not at the site, so i have no idea what happened. i am going to trust the opinion of people who are apparently there and know what they are talking about. i am also going to assume that they arent lying to us as part of some PR move. especially about something that can be so easily verified to be false. which do you think is a worse PR move? lying to everyone and then being proven wrong, or admitting there was an internet issue?

there's absolutely no way to prove either way. people speculating one way or another is just that -- speculation.
typically up to now, drops have happened when one of the players gets spammed and bnet connection is dropped, lan would fix this.
but there are dozens other issues that could cause one player to drop from hardware/software glitch on the computer itself, to glitches on onsite switches. most likely however a plug was pulled (or connection got lose) -- if anyones ever been to a live event you know how those machines are connected.
The stupid neither forgive nor forget, the naive forgive and forget, the wise forgive but never forget.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7812
In case y'all don't remember, squirtle is an incredibly clutch player, and came up huge in an important teamleague match against m_p last year in one of the greatest SC2 games ever played.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7813
On April 08 2012 12:28 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:27 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Dimaga Vs MVP. During the match, Dimaga threw everything again and again on PF and wass looking set to lose. Regame and Baneling bustr to win, community says dimaga is a hero.

MKP Vs parting, MKP Losing, regame and wins, Community shits on him. WTF???

foreigner bias

dont you know that foreigners can do no wrong?

This is actually a pretty good point.
Forbidden17
Profile Joined December 2011
666 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7814
On April 08 2012 12:38 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:37 Forbidden17 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:35 Corsica wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Ozzon wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:34 Vorenius wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:27 HaXXspetten wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:26 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:25 mycro wrote:
I started out cheering for Prime, now I want Prime to lose so much.



Why?

...what the hell do you think? Prime probably lost half of their supporters after the 4th game, me included.

Prime lost their supporters because MKP disconnected?

Did he do it on purpose? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Blame Blizzard for killing Esports. Blame GOM for the regame. Stop being an idiot.


This.



I think that White-ra would have accepted his loss

if he thought he loss, yes. but mkp didn't, and who are you to tell him he did, you don't even have the replay.





http://i.imgur.com/LPFZa.jpg


Nuff said.

except it's no where near enough.
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 03:40:17
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7815
On April 08 2012 12:37 Onos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:31 vndods wrote:
Reading all these bitter comments are amazing.

This isn't MKP's fault,


He could have admitted he lost the game.

Show nested quote +
this isn't Prime's fault,


They could have admitted they lost the game.

Show nested quote +
this isn't the Ref's faults.


That's debatable. Bad decision, but then again I do not expect good referee decisions in any sport. Why should eSport be different.

Reading all this entire discussion, it seems to me fair play is basically irrelevant. You only play to win. So if you could go out and physically hurt the other team's guys intentionally in say football, hockey, etc. that would be fine, because you play to win.


he plays terran, it's always 100% possible to come back from any situation. it may have been a 1% chance, but that's still a real chance. therefore no they should not admit to losing a game where he had a "chance" of winning, sorry.


User was warned for this post
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
April 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#7816
marineking legitimately won haters gonna hate but no one even cares about them haters. Get a life haters. Go MKP <3
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
April 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#7817
Actually, wouldn't a reasonable solution to have been to award neither a win, and to eliminate both players?

Both teams still had more than 4 players left.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 03:41:12
April 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#7818
On April 08 2012 12:37 RipxDark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:34 zhurai wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:33 RipxDark wrote:
ITT: People not knowing how networks work

these IT: Covering the asses of blizzard by putting a BS explanation that people are accepting ㄱ_ㄱ;


Networking is vastly more unstable than computer hardware. Just takes one fucked up router or switch and you lose connectivity. The chances of disconnecting increase the more complex the networks get with subnets etc

Yes, you are perfectly right on this. But even then they could include a replay mode. LAN mode alone is not the issue here. They have all the replays which means they have all the game data they need to continue where they left off. Not sure why Riot can do it but Blizzard can´t. The issue of more complex networks won´t go away. It will get even messier with time.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
April 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#7819
On April 08 2012 12:38 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:36 AegiS_ wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:32 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote:
Man this is so hard to watch , extremely awkward every one knows mkp lost, and it's not mkps fault but now he will be the face of it. MKP will have haters, it will ruin him. Just a disaster/ these games are probally some of the best ever.

Maru vs july. banshees and ravens with bane mines. I mean best games ever. bomber vs mkp was the best tvt and game in general that I was so emotionally involved in. But wow, it all means nothing. Huge disaster in the e.sports scene. I dont know what to think.


WTF who is hating on him?

no one reasonable/ respected would hate on MKP and not Bnet for the loss.

please stfu about this and move on. yeah lan would be nice but we're not getting it.

and btw, mkps fans will always out number his "haters" by probably 10,000:1


Have you been reading the thread at all? There are like 100 posts of people saying how they lost respect for MKP.

I'll have to reiterate this post

people have been saying shit like "OMG I LOST RESPECT FOR MKP BECAUSE OF THIS"

so yes
people have been.
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#7820
On April 08 2012 12:39 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 12:35 carloselcoco wrote:
On April 08 2012 12:33 Superlative wrote:
Why do people keep blaming MKP and "Prime"?

It was Gom that decided to re-game


He could have said that he had lost... Which he had by a large margin...
They didn't ask him.

If they tell him to regame and he refuses, he'll put himself up for GSL ban and shame among the Korean netizens.


what lol no any korean knows he's dead
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