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On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Thats called Character!
Something Casters that don´t reply to the masses lost completely!
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On March 19 2012 02:49 aurum510 wrote:
"dumb" is in the eye of the beholder. I think calling people "retards" on the internet is "dumb".
I disagree:
Definition of dumb
6 a : lacking intelligence : stupid
b : showing a lack of intelligence <asking dumb questions>
And as we all know, intelligence is measurrable.
if you think it's wrong to call people ''retards'', you are dumb aswell. Obviously the context in which it was used, the word "retards" was ment as an insult just like any other insulting word (e.g. jerk-off, asshole, fuckface etc.)
Now, i don't take offense to ''asshole'' even though i have one, nor do i take offense if someone calls someone else a ''jerk-off'' even though i jerk off once in a while.
Even though you might have a mentally retarded brother or sister or w/e, you shouldn't take offense if someone on stream calls someone else a retard, since depending on the context the word "retard" might mean;
A. Used as a disparaging term for a mentally retarded person - or
B. A person considered to be foolish or socially inept.
And in this case, Khaldor was obviously revering to the second meaning of the word ''retards", not trying to insult a mentally retarded person but trying to insult an asshole.
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I like Khaldor as a Caster. Its amazing how he developed his own Style in the last years, and i know him from the WC3-Times where he just casted in german.
Its also amazing how he tries to interact with the community in a serious way, about topics like trolling and bad behaviour. And Khaldor, it really seems like u have just to swallow dumb comments, without replying. Because even 99% of the viewers agree with you, there will be always guys who complain about unnecessary things or in a way thats not right. There are too many people who just like to give comments about topics, even if they didnt get all the information they need to say even a word about it.
Seems like you got kind of a pedagogic side, that makes u think so much about trolls and flamers. But there will be many viewers who just like to troll you because u give such an effort on that like no other caster.
I like your casting-style, i like it that u make statements of your own opinion and thats what should be done more often. 
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I've only been aware of Khaldor since his GSL stint, but he has 50 x more appealing qualities in his stream than ones that make me want to dummy spit like a lot of people seem to be doing...
If he was being paid millions and had exceptional public-power then fair enough, you'd expect some kind of "professionalism" (as people expect from polititians/oprah) - but chill out! lol
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Personally, I would like Khaldor to pick up this topic again when he's rested and feels like he can bring his point better across. It's something that I've spent some time thinking and talking about, so it would be awesome to see more initiative and input from Khaldor, someone who's clearly passionate about E-sports and its community.
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People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Everyone has bad moments... We are human. We make mistakes. If you refuse to have anyone in your life that has done something you didn't like, you will be a very lonely person. I think you should give more chances to people, give them constructive criticism to fulfill what you enjoy and not hold a few slip-ups/mistakes as a reason to give up and not ever watch them again. Obviously you are an E-sports fan, if you are here on the forums and watching streams. You should want E-Sports to grow and support everyone in the movement... give feedback so everyone can become better and thus make it more enjoyable for you.
Turning your back on someone/something without giving a them/it a decent chance/effort for them/it to work for you is worse than never watching/playing/participating in E-Sports in the first place.
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How did the Creator vs DRG go? Any live reports?
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2 pages about the games
6 pages about a pointless argument
And SC2 community raises the bar once again
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Creator outmicroed DRG with Pure Stalkerblink. Was a short game. One Attack->Blink blink blink->gg
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He also faked a 3rd before attacking, which seemed to throw DRG off a fair bit.
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On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public.
You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious.
All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
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I'm losing count of the many clutch wins by Prime players. They literally always win the ace matches, with Byun, Creator or Marineking just stepping up and dominating.
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On March 19 2012 02:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I can't believe how many times Creator has whooped Dongraegu's ass in team leagues, especially since ZvP is looking more and more like DRG's strongest matchup. If only he would stabilize in GSL he would be a consistent Code S player.
This seems to be a major stepping stone for quite a few players. I wonder if it is, at least partly, a cultural issue that affects Korean players the most on average.
(I mean, it seems that half the local spectatorship likes to hide themselves when appearing on crowd cameras.)
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I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius!
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On March 19 2012 04:07 delayed reflex wrote:
I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius!
they didn't pull out genius. Keen or sC are not stronger than the players, that actually played.
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On March 19 2012 03:40 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him. Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public. You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious. All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
A high quality mature response here, but I'll answer it anyway.
I don't really care if he calls people "retards". I use the word "retard" regularly.
What I care about is
1) He's responding to trolls. If Day9 responded to trolls at the end of his dailies instead of people who have actual input, it would make me mad. It says a lot about his character when he does that.
2) He insults these trolls. I haven't ever seen a caster do #1, so then going as far as to insult them is worse. If he would respond to trolls and say "hey, I know it sounds like I was saying xxx is bad (I think it was about him implying someone on MVP was bad, but he didn't mean it that way), but what I really meant was yyy". That would be the proper mature way of handling it. Instead he states what trolls think and then calling them retards.
3) He alienates some people. Now is what it gets to the point I won't watch his stream again. He talks about people who don't have the same opinion as him related to number 2. He could have easily made himself not look immature by dropping it, but instead he acts like a child and keeps alienating people like me who don't like people who act like teenagers on the internet.
I mean, come on. How can I take watch him if he does things like this?
And don't clump me into people who "bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports". I have never said anything about eSports on TL, ever. And people like you can't be taken seriously, because I didn't do anything profane to you or Khaldor, and you respond profanely like a child.
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On March 19 2012 03:40 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him. Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public. You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious. All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
You sir, are a legend.
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On March 19 2012 04:40 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:07 delayed reflex wrote:
I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius! they didn't pull out genius. Keen or sC are not stronger than the players, that actually played.
They're definitely stronger than Dream and Galaxy.
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Is it me or Prime and MVP are shaping out to be the best two teams in teamleagues. I mean look at how both of them are in GSTL and now in the finals of KSL together. They have certainly brought their A-games while my other favorite teams just haven't played their best at all like Slayers and IM...
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