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The results aren't bolded right.
Did annyeong played well? I've never seen him winnning on teamleagues and I'm curious about it.
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 I updated some again, edit and copy the part in the spoiler tags. Do you know how to TLPDize things?
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Yeah, I'm working on it. Nobelesse, why you do win so fast?
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Lets go MVP!
Just caught the end of that last noblesse game, looked like he played nicely. I really see noblesse as a very good player, should be high code a/low code s in my mind.
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Ahh this should be a great game. I think Noblesse should take it though, I see zvt as b4's weakest match-up by a fair margin.
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Mm, HK, just make sure you check your TLPDs, you did the same thing I did and got the BW player Classic  Steal the one from my thread, and look at what I did: Go to the TLPD database, SC2 players, find the details for the player and substitute them into the URL.
Unless someone has a much MUCH easier method 
All the best bro
Edit: I've updated the other thread again up to this match B4 vs. Noblesse
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Ok, I think I finally got it. LR threads are a lot of work it seems.
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dem supply blocks. 70/70 and now 86/86
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Whee, that was nice by BBoongBBoong
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BboongBboong ends Noblesse's 14-game win streak.
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Well played B4. I really felt nobellese should have had that game though, another game won by a broodlord transition with the terran not reacting in time.
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On March 19 2012 00:43 milesfacade wrote:
Well played B4. I really felt nobellese should have had that game though, another game won by a broodlord transition with the terran not reacting in time.
noblesse stayed soooo long on three bases though and only had a fourth running for a minute or so before that got busted too, so it's more like BBBB not letting him transition rather than noblesse playing poorly
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On March 19 2012 00:46 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 00:43 milesfacade wrote:
Well played B4. I really felt nobellese should have had that game though, another game won by a broodlord transition with the terran not reacting in time. noblesse stayed soooo long on three bases though and only had a fourth running for a minute or so before that got busted too, so it's more like BBBB not letting him transition rather than noblesse playing poorly
That fourth was running for a fair while I thought? Still, I think noblesse was far ahead with 3-3 against 2-2, only like 4 mutas remaining for B4 but the 5 broodlords prevented a big push as noblesse had no vikings.
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On March 19 2012 00:48 milesfacade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 00:46 opterown wrote:On March 19 2012 00:43 milesfacade wrote:
Well played B4. I really felt nobellese should have had that game though, another game won by a broodlord transition with the terran not reacting in time. noblesse stayed soooo long on three bases though and only had a fourth running for a minute or so before that got busted too, so it's more like BBBB not letting him transition rather than noblesse playing poorly That fourth was running for a fair while I thought? Still, I think noblesse was far ahead with 3-3 against 2-2, only like 4 mutas remaining for B4 but the 5 broodlords prevented a big push as noblesse had no vikings.
BBBB's 3-3 wasn't too far behind, and maybe my sense of time is off, but the 4th was not up for long at all.
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how did BBBB win that game? I switched once he lost those ultras which were stucked at the PFs and barely did any damage...
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On March 19 2012 00:53 ETisME wrote:
how did BBBB win that game? I switched once he lost those ultras which were stucked at the PFs and barely did any damage...
He we won there and then =p, Noblesse had nothing left to beat the few remaining ultras/ banelings.
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The level of this game is derpessing
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Niceeeee. Sadly it's going to be a 1-1-1.
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This is the main thread. The creator of that thread couldn't stay to update it so I remade it.
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Why don't you just read the comments? It's really not that hard to read the first comment in the first thread and then you'd understand why there are 2 threads.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
I missed byun, he is so good
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Byun is such a baller now, so glad he is playing again!
Byun and Coca coming back is the best news weve had in a long time
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Byun looking so ridiculously strong.
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Byun's in a bad spot, but he's playing really well. Double Air upgrades O_O.
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It's incredible that Monster hasn't made it back to the GSL yet, the guy is so good ><
Late game TvZ like that looks really horrible without ghosts.
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That was way closer than it should have been, imho.
Monster could have pushed his advantage earlier.
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man how are you suppose to beat a 200/200 blord corruptor infestor ling army. i guess you need thors to splash the corruptors and hope ur vikings dont get fungalled and win.
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Khaldor needs to change his ticker to show the song is Electric Romeo.
Edit: I wonder why MKP picked this map. It seems like it's a good zerg map.
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Nothing like a khaldor rant :D
...I think jjakji is on mma and mvp's level.
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On March 19 2012 01:43 aintz wrote:
man how are you suppose to beat a 200/200 blord corruptor infestor ling army. i guess you need thors to splash the corruptors and hope ur vikings dont get fungalled and win.
You have to use the weakness of the Z army - it's immovability! A great example would be Polt vs... can't remember who, on Antiga at Assembly. He did a great job moving around the broods, doom droping the main etc.
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Khaldor... IQ test before accessing the internet and people can only be called retards? Unacceptable rant by any caster. Dealing with frustration is an everyday matter and Khaldor just failed at it. Shameful.
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I look forward to Monster requalifying for GSL.
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On March 19 2012 01:48 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:43 aintz wrote:
man how are you suppose to beat a 200/200 blord corruptor infestor ling army. i guess you need thors to splash the corruptors and hope ur vikings dont get fungalled and win. You have to use the weakness of the Z army - it's immovability! A great example would be Polt vs... can't remember who, on Antiga at Assembly. He did a great job moving around the broods, doom droping the main etc.
The game you are refering to was vs Lucky, and it is not a good example. Polt already had a huge lead in that game, and Lucky couldn't really support tier 3.
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On March 19 2012 01:43 HKSpartan wrote:Khaldor needs to change his ticker to show the song is Electric Romeo. Edit: I wonder why MKP picked this map. It seems like it's a good zerg map.
Probably so that if he wins he wouldn't have to play on it against DRG.
DRG never loses on Dual Sight >_<
Edit: I've never ever seen MarineKing succeed with this elevator build.
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i went to pee and comeback mkp is dead. wtf..
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On March 19 2012 01:48 Ghanburighan wrote:
Khaldor... IQ test before accessing the internet and people can only be called retards? Unacceptable rant by any caster. Dealing with frustration is an everyday matter and Khaldor just failed at it. Shameful.
I lol'ed
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On March 19 2012 01:48 Ghanburighan wrote:
Khaldor... IQ test before accessing the internet and people can only be called retards? Unacceptable rant by any caster. Dealing with frustration is an everyday matter and Khaldor just failed at it. Shameful.
I agree. Very childish thing to say. I'll still watch his stream sometimes for the KSL, but come on Khaldor. Do you see other casters addressing trolls? No, because they know that it does not lead to anything useful, and it just makes you look bad.
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On March 19 2012 02:02 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:48 Ghanburighan wrote:
Khaldor... IQ test before accessing the internet and people can only be called retards? Unacceptable rant by any caster. Dealing with frustration is an everyday matter and Khaldor just failed at it. Shameful. I agree. Very childish thing to say. I'll still watch his stream sometimes for the KSL, but come on Khaldor. Do you see other casters addressing trolls? No, because they know that it does not lead to anything useful, and it just makes you look bad.
Indeed.
However, Khaldor, I think the game sounds are a bit too loud.
EDIT : I actually, I have no idea what you're saying, since Creator just warped in a building, and that makes it so that is the only thing I can hear.
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Hmm i hope Monster will not die to this standard attack.
Please don't die Monster!!
edit: Why are you doing this to meeeeee T_T
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Lol? Monster?
What the hell are you doing?
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Teching to muta without getting roach, quite greedy on EV.
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The Dong will come :D
And save my precious MVP.
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Go ahead Khaldor tell the truth! That was the most fun part of the cast as I agree on all of what you said!
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There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe
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On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe
Having an opinion is fine. However, stating such on a cast is unprofessional. You don't see football casters stating their opinions while doing a cast, do you? They'd be fired for being unprofessional.
While you may not be fired, people can be offended and not watch. I don't ever watch HDStarcraft, because he's unprofessional, so if you care about people watching your casts, remove the unprofessionalism.
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two gas at the 6min mark.
roach, evo, lair at 7 dare i say?
edit: earlier speed i guess, no sweat drg.
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On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe
How is it hypocritical? We're on TL where trolls get banned, and as was mentioned, they should at least be ignored. Not everyone will or will want to learn, but there are means to address them. Teaching takes time and patience and is probably not suitable for a caster.
But it would be more pleasant if the language used in casts were civil. Calling people retards is not an acceptable exaggeration in civilized company, nor can I have your stream playing when my family is around because of your poor manner of expressing your frustration.
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Sweet jesus Creator's blink control is so good.
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Dat blink micro was awesome :O
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Disappointing.
gg I guess. gz prime
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Damn, sick Blink micro for Creator, well deserved win for PRIME.
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lol. creator doesnt make sentries. pushes and win. cool
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That was awesome
I'm sad creator couldn't make it to code s this season
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On March 19 2012 02:18 Talionis wrote:
Sweet jesus Creator's blink control is so good.
When I saw Creator's units v DRG's units I thought Creator was going to lose but his micro was impressive indeed.
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Nice blink micro, but damn, PvZ is so boring to watch, it always seems to boil down to whether the two-base timing can do any damage.
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Prime, masters of squeaking out victory.
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I wonder what happens when Creator gets his nerves under control. He basically has no weak matchup.
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I thought DRG was so gonna take that game :o
People are dumb @ internet because a) they're <20 years and b) they live in denial, people who deny the truth get angry, upset and stressed when someone tells an obvious truth about Mvp and Jjakji...
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Yeah, that blink micro was scary good. I really liked how Creator didn't hesitate for a second. If he waited even a few more seconds before engaging I bet DRG would have held it off. Creator was able to glean an advantage just barely before burrow kicked in.
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On March 19 2012 02:15 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe But it would be more pleasant if the language used in casts were civil. Calling people retards is not an acceptable exaggeration in civilized company, nor can I have your stream playing when my family is around because of your poor manner of expressing your frustration.
Did you read the sign at the stream where it says "mature language"? If you mind me speaking my mind then don't tune in to my personal stream. Simple as that. And the first part of your comment made no sense whatsoever regarding what I said.
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On March 19 2012 02:22 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:15 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe But it would be more pleasant if the language used in casts were civil. Calling people retards is not an acceptable exaggeration in civilized company, nor can I have your stream playing when my family is around because of your poor manner of expressing your frustration. Did you read the sign at the stream where it says "mature language"? If you mind me speaking my mind then don't tune in to my personal stream. Simple as that. And the first part of your comment made no sense whatsoever regarding what I said.
It should say 'immature language' to be honest though. Seriously.
Edit: cmon Khaldor please dont make it worse.
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On March 19 2012 02:22 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:15 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe But it would be more pleasant if the language used in casts were civil. Calling people retards is not an acceptable exaggeration in civilized company, nor can I have your stream playing when my family is around because of your poor manner of expressing your frustration. Did you read the sign at the stream where it says "mature language"? If you mind me speaking my mind then don't tune in to my personal stream. Simple as that. And the first part of your comment made no sense whatsoever regarding what I said.
Mature is fine, SC2 is 18+. It's embarrassing to listen to childish rants.
Edit: Ok, time to turn off the stream. For the record, I like Khaldor's casts and tune in regularly.
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argh, stop it, Khaldor...
it's getting worse.
If you are in a bad day, just call it the day and close the stream (as I did).
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Khaldor, just let it go. I think people are making a fuss about it since it's you saying it. It may be your opinion, but if you learned anything from the Orb fiasco, you are a public figure, a paid professional caster. You have to be a bit gentle with the language whether you say it in private or in public.
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On March 19 2012 02:20 GP wrote:
Nice blink micro, but damn, PvZ is so boring to watch, it always seems to boil down to whether the two-base timing can do any damage.
Better than PvT where both players turtle up for 18 minutes until 200/200 then the game gets decided in one fight.
I don't know whether to be disappointed by DRG impressed by creator or both :O
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On March 19 2012 02:21 SolidZeal wrote:
Yeah, that blink micro was scary good. I really liked how Creator didn't hesitate for a second. If he waited even a few more seconds before engaging I bet DRG would have held it off. Creator was able to glean an advantage just barely before burrow kicked in.
this! soooo often do you see people with similar builds wait for "this one additional warpin" while the zerg gets 5 spine crawlers and 15 roaches
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@yoshi245
Exactly...
He's trying to change the world by his stream... give up, Khaldor.
I enjoy your casts, but this is too much.
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I like it Khaldor. I agree with you and your opinion for the most part.
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Khaldor - hardest working man in business. Not joking.
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Oh I wasn't able to watch this match. But again I see Prime owning every team and I remember the people saying that Prime had no chance at winning the GSTL =D. Bit by bit they defeat teams
Creator beating DRG once again in an ace match, this kis is the new DRG, I hope that he'll play as good in code S qualifications soon
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I think Khaldor is very cool and I appreciate all the time he puts to casts
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On March 19 2012 02:08 Khaldor wrote:
There's a difference between trolls and stupidity. And I have an opinion and I will not apologize for saying so. It's funny how people will bitch on my comment while tolerating all this stuff in a forum. The hipocracy makes me cringe
No kidding. You provided an entertaining SC2 experience for me - so i'll negate a hater for you.
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dont actually know what's going on as I was doing other stuff with the stream muted, but thought I'd post a generic comment of support for Khaldor. Man's done enough work for sc2 to be given a metric fuckton of support and understanding.
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The reddit pitchforks specifically are getting far too out of hand. You know who's hurting E-sports? Every single person who wants production value but does not want to pay for it, or spends his time to bash people on factors outside of the game. Right behind you on this Khaldor
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Well said Khaldor.
I always liked your WC3 commentaries better and therefore stopped listening to you but i´ll give you another shot.
Still favouring Zergs?^^
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I can't believe how many times Creator has whooped Dongraegu's ass in team leagues, especially since ZvP is looking more and more like DRG's strongest matchup. If only he would stabilize in GSL he would be a consistent Code S player.
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All I will say is that Khaldor is among my favorite casters ever. You're just frustrated with the overly vocal minority who demands too much. Just let it go and move on, you'd be hard pressed to try to convince them otherwise and doing so would be a waste of your time.
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On March 19 2012 02:28 leandroqm wrote:
@yoshi245
Exactly...
He's trying to change the world by his stream... give up, Khaldor.
I enjoy your casts, but this is too much.
People are so critical of people they have the choice to view.. its classic, its not being shoved down your throat.
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Gj streaming whole day long, keep going Khaldor, youre the best of our german fellas casting!
Hope to get up early enough to witness fnatic raidcall :X
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I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job.
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people who are over reacting to his comments are RETARDED 
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Yo Khaldor - get some sleep, or is it 24 hour cast time?!? HAHAHA
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Khaldor, exactly these things you are doing now is why you are my favourite eSports person. The effort you put in the growth of eSports is so impressive and it makes me really, REALLY sad that people hate so much on you.
Seeing you dedicating your life to eSports is so motivating. I think you influenced me a lot and I wouldn't have done the things I do now without you as an Idol.
eSports wouldn't be the same without you. Please never change!
edit: no homo!
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On March 19 2012 02:40 DerekJCEX wrote:people who are over reacting to his comments are RETARDED
You might think you are smart or cute, but you really are not.
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Khaldor please try to remember the vocal minority, making comments that irritate many of us, are often the most ridiculous people. And many of the level-headed majority just bite our tongues because we don't want to get into an argument with someone who seems unreasonable.
I identify with your frustration a lot. I hope you don't become too disillusioned with the entire community because of the loud morons that are all over places like forums. Many of us quietly roll our eyes at the same comments that you are pointing out as destructive, but enjoy and appreciate the efforts of you and others producing content.
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On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job.
forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"?
I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters.
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Khaldor, don't bother. People will always be like this, that is the negative side of freedom of speech: Dumb people get to say what they want too.
Just like we can't stop ignorant people from voting, we can't stop stupid people stop from saying stupid things.
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On March 19 2012 02:45 Vladimir wrote:
Khaldor please try to remember the vocal minority, making comments that irritate many of us, are often the most ridiculous people. And many of the level-headed majority just bite our tongues because we don't want to get into an argument with someone who seems unreasonable.
I identify with your frustration a lot. I hope you don't become too disillusioned with the entire community because of the loud morons that are all over places like forums. Many of us quietly roll our eyes at the same comments that you are pointing out as destructive, but enjoy and appreciate the efforts of you and others producing content.
Well said Vladimir.
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I did not turn off the stream after all. As I said before, I do enjoy Khaldor's casts and hope my comment will not discourage what I enjoy watching. It's great you do what you do. I do hope that you don't call people retarded in the future as that also stops my ability to watch what I enjoy. Keep up the good work and I'll be a nameless number during your next cast.
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i understand what you say and agree however,
please dont use the "n-word" even if you're referring to something someone else said... its offensive
some of us are actually black...
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professional sports casters and esports casting is very different holding them to the same standard is absurd. Does charles barkley respond to your comments on air? its a privledge that people have abused for so long that its not gonna be around much longer
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On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters.
Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right?
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On March 19 2012 02:45 aSongofWar wrote:
Khaldor, don't bother. People will always be like this, that is the negative side of freedom of speech: Dumb people get to say what they want too.
Just like we can't stop ignorant people from voting, we can't stop stupid people stop from saying stupid things.
"dumb" is in the eye of the beholder. I think calling people "retards" on the internet is "dumb".
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Why are some people in this thread so upset with Khaldor?
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I know that this was gonna be close. I think these are the best teamleague squads at all right now. GSTL final MVP vs Prime, you heard it here. Have to check the vods, Creator bashing DRG once again, WOW!
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Here's an even worse N word: Noob (after gg to add insult to injury) :D
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Great games as always and people are mad at him... i don't get it
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It's strangely ironic that people criticise the way you do things Khaldor, but if you didn't pay attention to the criticism at all - their voice wouldn't be heard and the criticism would be irrelevant.
Shame really, cause the ones who appreciate the interaction are overshadowed by douchebaggery
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i want pancakes
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i think we all know some names
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i dont think they actually are, they're just bored and are trying to entertain themselves by annoying somebody on stream
unfortunately I think everybody who told khaldor not to interact with the community is right, sad as it is for everyone in the community that it's this way it's just not worth the hassle for "community figures" to deal with .
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Mad respect to Khaldor for this rant. Some things just have to be said, and it probably takes massive balls on his part
Many of you might not mind all those assholes in the community, or "trolls" as they're now called, but I applaud when people like Khaldor make an effort to get rid of them. I do mind them, and they aggravate me, because it's frustratingly hard to find "normal" people. In-game channels? Useless. Stream chat? ... Reddit? They downvote you based on opinion, racial bias, etc. Let's make more effort to improve as community!
I've watched you since WC3 Khaldor (we were in the same clan for a short while) and my respect for you only grew with this cast. Fuck apologizing for your opinion, especially when it's so fucking correct
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Khaldor, don't let trolls get you down. You are a great caster with great knowledge, and a great voice for casting. You have many true fans out here, like myself. People feel like they have power over the internet.
Please, the way you interact with your viewers is what makes you unique, and what I love about your casting.
Please, keep up your amazing work in the community, I personally appraciate your hard work immensely.
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chill out Khaldor~ ppl just being kids behind the screen of a computer~ peace out ya!
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You are absolutely right on the other casters don't get much involved anymore with the community part. Don't change your attitude some people acknowledge hardworking people.
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Khaldor, you are doing here history. This is the real TV of tomorrow, fresh, direct, and on-your-face. We're all human, and we're here to watch great games and great commentary. Keep it up! Warm thanks from Iasi, Romania.
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i want to try out the bald style any tips ?
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On March 19 2012 02:54 desRow wrote:
i want to try out the bald style any tips ?
^ hahahaha
Pancakes. LOTS OF THEM!
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On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right?
Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me.
But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters.
People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
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I for one will still watch your commentary. I don't care if you won't applaud my favorite players - you are doing your commentary, in your own style, using your own words. I prefer this rather than MTV-like commentaries done by certain others.
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On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Thats called Character!
Something Casters that don´t reply to the masses lost completely!
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On March 19 2012 02:49 aurum510 wrote:
"dumb" is in the eye of the beholder. I think calling people "retards" on the internet is "dumb".
I disagree:
Definition of dumb
6 a : lacking intelligence : stupid
b : showing a lack of intelligence <asking dumb questions>
And as we all know, intelligence is measurrable.
if you think it's wrong to call people ''retards'', you are dumb aswell. Obviously the context in which it was used, the word "retards" was ment as an insult just like any other insulting word (e.g. jerk-off, asshole, fuckface etc.)
Now, i don't take offense to ''asshole'' even though i have one, nor do i take offense if someone calls someone else a ''jerk-off'' even though i jerk off once in a while.
Even though you might have a mentally retarded brother or sister or w/e, you shouldn't take offense if someone on stream calls someone else a retard, since depending on the context the word "retard" might mean;
A. Used as a disparaging term for a mentally retarded person - or
B. A person considered to be foolish or socially inept.
And in this case, Khaldor was obviously revering to the second meaning of the word ''retards", not trying to insult a mentally retarded person but trying to insult an asshole.
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I like Khaldor as a Caster. Its amazing how he developed his own Style in the last years, and i know him from the WC3-Times where he just casted in german.
Its also amazing how he tries to interact with the community in a serious way, about topics like trolling and bad behaviour. And Khaldor, it really seems like u have just to swallow dumb comments, without replying. Because even 99% of the viewers agree with you, there will be always guys who complain about unnecessary things or in a way thats not right. There are too many people who just like to give comments about topics, even if they didnt get all the information they need to say even a word about it.
Seems like you got kind of a pedagogic side, that makes u think so much about trolls and flamers. But there will be many viewers who just like to troll you because u give such an effort on that like no other caster.
I like your casting-style, i like it that u make statements of your own opinion and thats what should be done more often. 
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I've only been aware of Khaldor since his GSL stint, but he has 50 x more appealing qualities in his stream than ones that make me want to dummy spit like a lot of people seem to be doing...
If he was being paid millions and had exceptional public-power then fair enough, you'd expect some kind of "professionalism" (as people expect from polititians/oprah) - but chill out! lol
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Personally, I would like Khaldor to pick up this topic again when he's rested and feels like he can bring his point better across. It's something that I've spent some time thinking and talking about, so it would be awesome to see more initiative and input from Khaldor, someone who's clearly passionate about E-sports and its community.
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People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Everyone has bad moments... We are human. We make mistakes. If you refuse to have anyone in your life that has done something you didn't like, you will be a very lonely person. I think you should give more chances to people, give them constructive criticism to fulfill what you enjoy and not hold a few slip-ups/mistakes as a reason to give up and not ever watch them again. Obviously you are an E-sports fan, if you are here on the forums and watching streams. You should want E-Sports to grow and support everyone in the movement... give feedback so everyone can become better and thus make it more enjoyable for you.
Turning your back on someone/something without giving a them/it a decent chance/effort for them/it to work for you is worse than never watching/playing/participating in E-Sports in the first place.
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How did the Creator vs DRG go? Any live reports?
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2 pages about the games
6 pages about a pointless argument
And SC2 community raises the bar once again
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Creator outmicroed DRG with Pure Stalkerblink. Was a short game. One Attack->Blink blink blink->gg
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He also faked a 3rd before attacking, which seemed to throw DRG off a fair bit.
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On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him.
Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public.
You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious.
All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
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I'm losing count of the many clutch wins by Prime players. They literally always win the ace matches, with Byun, Creator or Marineking just stepping up and dominating.
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On March 19 2012 02:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I can't believe how many times Creator has whooped Dongraegu's ass in team leagues, especially since ZvP is looking more and more like DRG's strongest matchup. If only he would stabilize in GSL he would be a consistent Code S player.
This seems to be a major stepping stone for quite a few players. I wonder if it is, at least partly, a cultural issue that affects Korean players the most on average.
(I mean, it seems that half the local spectatorship likes to hide themselves when appearing on crowd cameras.)
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I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius!
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On March 19 2012 04:07 delayed reflex wrote:
I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius!
they didn't pull out genius. Keen or sC are not stronger than the players, that actually played.
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On March 19 2012 03:40 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him. Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public. You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious. All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
A high quality mature response here, but I'll answer it anyway.
I don't really care if he calls people "retards". I use the word "retard" regularly.
What I care about is
1) He's responding to trolls. If Day9 responded to trolls at the end of his dailies instead of people who have actual input, it would make me mad. It says a lot about his character when he does that.
2) He insults these trolls. I haven't ever seen a caster do #1, so then going as far as to insult them is worse. If he would respond to trolls and say "hey, I know it sounds like I was saying xxx is bad (I think it was about him implying someone on MVP was bad, but he didn't mean it that way), but what I really meant was yyy". That would be the proper mature way of handling it. Instead he states what trolls think and then calling them retards.
3) He alienates some people. Now is what it gets to the point I won't watch his stream again. He talks about people who don't have the same opinion as him related to number 2. He could have easily made himself not look immature by dropping it, but instead he acts like a child and keeps alienating people like me who don't like people who act like teenagers on the internet.
I mean, come on. How can I take watch him if he does things like this?
And don't clump me into people who "bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports". I have never said anything about eSports on TL, ever. And people like you can't be taken seriously, because I didn't do anything profane to you or Khaldor, and you respond profanely like a child.
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On March 19 2012 03:40 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him. Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public. You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious. All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
You sir, are a legend.
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On March 19 2012 04:40 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:07 delayed reflex wrote:
I didn't catch the games but it seems like the KSL delivers again - awesome to see Prime pull it off once again, but it's scary how much depth MVP was - Prime played through their whole A-team lineup, but MVP didn't even pull out Keen, sC or Genius! they didn't pull out genius. Keen or sC are not stronger than the players, that actually played.
They're definitely stronger than Dream and Galaxy.
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Is it me or Prime and MVP are shaping out to be the best two teams in teamleagues. I mean look at how both of them are in GSTL and now in the finals of KSL together. They have certainly brought their A-games while my other favorite teams just haven't played their best at all like Slayers and IM...
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On March 19 2012 15:42 Pokemonxoxo wrote:
Is it me or Prime and MVP are shaping out to be the best two teams in teamleagues. I mean look at how both of them are in GSTL and now in the finals of KSL together. They have certainly brought their A-games while my other favorite teams just haven't played their best at all like Slayers and IM...
Not only that.IMO Nshoseo,MVP,Prime and maybe Slayers( they have lost Taeja and Ganzi). are the best teams in teamleagues.
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Shame no VODS it seems neither does this have live reports, and yet the TLPD lists these games as "battle reports" -_-
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Wow how did creator beat drg?
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On March 19 2012 15:42 Pokemonxoxo wrote:
Is it me or Prime and MVP are shaping out to be the best two teams in teamleagues. I mean look at how both of them are in GSTL and now in the finals of KSL together. They have certainly brought their A-games while my other favorite teams just haven't played their best at all like Slayers and IM...
Theyre not in the finals, this is still round robin. Besides, Zenex is currently leading the round robin board with 3-0.
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On March 19 2012 03:40 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:55 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:48 liberate71 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:45 aurum510 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:39 jackcatttt wrote:
I don't even think these are children posting its just young adults with time to spew forum diarrhea. Don't let it get you down Khaldor, people that play the game know that your serious and passionate about your job. forum diarrhea = "please don't feed trolls and call people retards"? I'm certainly not going to watch him after today. There's hundreds of hours of SC2 content being streamed each week. That's so much more than I could ever watch, so I pick what I watch based on a number of factors, including professionalism of the casters. Professionalism that you are rating on a scale you've made in your head right? Of course. My opinion based on what I see. It's not the same opinion others have. Some may enjoy Khaldor more because of the way he is. Some may be turned off like me. But I don't think eSports benefits at all from the comments he made today. I honestly don't know a single thing about Khaldor. I maybe have watched KSL on his stream for a total of 2 hours. But I won't be returning, and I think that's all that matters. People are judged by their worst moments. All of the really popular casters don't really have any bad moments, which is why they are thought so highly of. If Day9 did what Khaldor did today, I'm sure there would be hundreds that would be turned off and stop watching him. Many would think less of him. Please stop trying to pressure everyone into conforming with your childish ultra P.C ideology. If you've got such a hard on for stopping any kind of self-expression or individualism amongst public figures then go watch one of the thousands of already established sports, where people are immediately crucified for expressing anything but the most popular of opinions in public. You don't like Khaldor... whoopty-fuckin'-do, he doesn't like you either. You're not a community, you're not eSports and you're not the one true voice. You're one person with one incredibly tired boiler plate complaint. Khaldor does more before 10AM to 'help eSports' than you've done in your entire life, but you would just as soon pitchfork him out of the community because he said something you don't quite care for. You're so oblivious. All people like you ever do is bitch and moan about the welfare of eSports, but as far as eSports is concerned, one Khaldor is worth thousands of you clucking hens. Get that through your head already.
Said it better than I could, well played sir. Fed up with these easily offended, over-opinionated jealous fucking morons who ruin EVERY single LR thread with caster-related whining while dressing it up as 'defending professionalism'. Fucking pathetic.
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Sorry, but I searched for the VODs and could not find them. What are they labeled as? I actually not only could not search for them, but I did not find any VODs for the day the games were cast (March 18).
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Anyone know of these VODs exist? MVP vs Prime March 18?
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