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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:07 ragnorr wrote: Because foreign terrans just aint as good as the korean ones. Its been pretty clear trend for a long time.... Right. and when it was suggested Korean Protoss were just worse than Terran and Zerg Koreans everyone flipped shit. But it's perfectly reasonable to say foreign Terran's are worse? | ||
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Forbidden17
666 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:09 xrapture wrote: Protoss harrass is awful? Warp prisms are the fastest, cheapest, and toughest drop ship in the game. 2 storms will kill an entire mineral line. 8 zealots will force an insane amount of micro and units from the terran. Terrans never have turrets or defense in their main vs toss, yet you never see warp prism play. Just because protoss doesn't harrass because they have no need for it doesn't mean it's bad. i think most people share the opinion protoss harass is the weakest, it's certainly gotten a lot better over the past few moonths though. this was discussed @blizzcon, and used to justify some of the changes in hots | ||
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
Heheheh. | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:09 xrapture wrote: Protoss harrass is awful? Warp prisms are the fastest, cheapest, and toughest drop ship in the game. 2 storms will kill an entire mineral line. 8 zealots will force an insane amount of micro and units from the terran. Terrans never have turrets or defense in their main vs toss, yet you never see warp prism play. Just because protoss doesn't harrass because they have no need for it doesn't mean it's bad. Im talking about a 2/3 base situation where it actually matters, storm drops are super risky and only possible in the super late game and at that point terran usually has so many ccs anyways that it doesnt really matter.. And 8 Zealots yeah, they can scare away an eco line and kill 2 supply depots, awesome. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
I think that is unfair. | ||
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eericson000
Australia718 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:10 Filter wrote: You can't say Boxer needed to harrass, attack, kill Creator earlier and then turn around and complain about Terrans just doing allins against protoss. Saying that a max vs. max with a small upgrade disadvantage is an automatic gg is ridiculous. If Boxer had 3/3 and Creator had storms it would have been an even worse crush. Lategame TvP feels extremely broken right now, and you can't say Boxer played that badly he engaged fairly well he had ghosts, vikings and a small number of medivacs and got destroyed. MMA said in an interview, that against toss, you need to play aggressively, opposite to playing passively against toss in BW. However to say that in an any matchup (except for mirror matchups), and both macro and not pressure each other and expect both players to expect both players to have an almost equal chance in winning is weird, as each race is play differently for a reason. just an opinion, i don't know | ||
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Forbidden17
666 Posts
then play toss? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:12 vthree wrote: The problem with this style is, you are hoping are a mistake from the P. If the P defends well, you lose anyways. I think we need to give P more harass options and T stronger late game deathball. Then the 2 sides can choose the strategy they want. Now, if P decides to go late game. T HAS to pressure. As a Zerg player, I'm going to step out of this argument except to note that "you are hoping for a mistake" is Idra's line, from the time where Zerg was the UP race. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Protoss is weak in the early game, Protoss is weak if you force them to split up the deathball, Protoss is weak against EMP. The races are meant to have different strengths and weaknesses. It's what makes SC2 so dynamic. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
Agreed. When sitting in your base doing nothing with 40 apm gives you a huge advantage it just doesn't seem fair. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:11 snailz wrote: you dont have to drop on top of the mineral line, 2 medivacs can clean 3 cannons in no time, and considering how toss has to stay together to have strong army, you can easily punish them with your multitasking. its the story about "if just one medivac gets thru undetected you can win a game with it", suprised you didnt heard of it. there is this guy called MMA, y'know  Yeah, this guy called MMA who barely breaks 50% in TvP in Korea lol | ||
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eericson000
Australia718 Posts
Hmmm toss would have to weary of the 1/1/1 in a map like dual sight sometimes, or a strong 1 base push from a 1/1/1, I guess? | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
try never attacking a zerg then its fucked up, and with browder and his retarded "colossi mentality" it wont get any better | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
thats a really good question by wolf | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
It was true in BW, too. It's an inherent part of the race: Better, more expensive units. Of course their deathball is the strongest. | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:16 00Visor wrote: repair counts in ressources lost? thats a really good question by wolf nope it doesn't | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On March 16 2012 19:12 xrapture wrote: Right. and when it was suggested Korean Protoss were just worse than Terran and Zerg Koreans everyone flipped shit. But it's perfectly reasonable to say foreign Terran's are worse? He's saying foreigners are worse than koreans and you try to turn it into a balance thing? What foreigner regardless of race has even won a major live tournament recently anyway? Stephano? | ||
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Svizcy
Slovenia300 Posts
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mandigal
Germany231 Posts
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