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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 07 2012 19:36 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:35 MVTaylor wrote:
IdrA playing some utterly awful PvZ, constantly making mutas that should be hard countered while taking forever to get extra bases and tech but due to bad play and decisions from feast it works... mass muta withotu aoe spell cant be countered without recent pheonix buff, watch dimaga vs someone when he goes for pure muta on double spire, microed mutalisk ball (stacked) is unkillable without aoe/buffed mass pheonix
Yeap! IdrA in the end had his 20+ Muti ball like in ZvT. Was just nothing to stop it from Feast, did not expect it. Plus idra just kept doing run bys with his cheap Lings. GG
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idra playing over his limits there, taking a game off feast!
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that was wp by idra he got the win that's what counts
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On March 07 2012 19:35 KiNGxXx wrote:
What an upset!
giggled
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On March 07 2012 19:36 Lann555 wrote:
Terrible game from Feast. Going half-assed for the phoenix counter never works. Either all out with the range upgrade or just pray to get storm.
And when you move out against muta-zerg you have to be decisive. If you are not willing to base-race, don't move out, because muta-zerg will always baserace
It would have worked fine, untill he decided to drag all his pheonixes away from his main to deal with a ling runby on a base with like 8 cannons
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On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..
An unscouted muta switch works really well against single stargate builds. The protoss has to be ready for a roach hydra push and get collossus out asap.
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So many bad calls by Feast:
A) Turning around in a base trade
B) Going Robo tech instead of templar
C) Not getting Phoenix upgrade but still going Phoenix vs Muta.
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On March 07 2012 19:37 mememolly wrote:yeah, +1 on lings at 14 minutes is beast mode
2-2
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On March 07 2012 19:36 KroN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening.. what is the alternative? colossus will follow... roach hydra is completely useless, infestors not that good gaianst colos.
Roach pressure on immediate third that will follow? Spore/Drone and defend while focusing on ground tech? The protoss will not stay on air, the type of mindset you have is terrible, there are more options than you think. You have to sac something in order to tech to Stargate, and thats ground tech.
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On March 07 2012 19:38 Rulker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:37 mememolly wrote:On March 07 2012 19:36 theBALLS wrote:
IDRA beast mode. yeah, +1 on lings at 14 minutes is beast mode 2-2
at 14 minutes he was getting +1, sorry to break it to you buddy
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On March 07 2012 19:36 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:35 doffe wrote:On March 07 2012 19:32 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:30 doffe wrote:On March 07 2012 19:29 Philipd122 wrote:
I'm trying to analyse why IdrA's macro has been so poor lately, it seriously looks like he has a 80% handicap on normal zerg macro. I mean his queen injects look fine and he's constantly droning but he somehow doesnt have enough larva, drones and units I'm used to seeing in ZvP. The difference between IdrA and other similar zergs like Ret is that IdrA doesnt seem to think he needs to micro his units at all sometime. He just amoves and is often extremly costinefficient with his army. I'm pretty sure this is simply not true, I've seen Idra do fairly strong micro in vT and vZ. The difference is that he makes some terrible decisions mid game because he literally always assumes that's he's behind during every game. Idras armycontrol is definatly sub par compared to alot of other top zergs with a macro focus. If it is a lack of control, multitasking (doubt that) or simply a contious choice to focus on macro I do not know. But I must say that players like ret, drg, stephano seems to get about the same amount of units but focus alot more on controling them then what ive seen idra do. He doesn't usually micro that much, but I really feel like people overstate it because of how bad his decisions are so he ends up in stupid fights where all of his units die.
maybe, both scenarious end up looking the same basically :p. But I agree in that his decisionmaking is pretty bad regularly.
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i think feast would have won with a+ click, no spines with mass mutas is pretty greedy imo
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On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening.. There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate. I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta.
I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Anyone else think should be a Roach Ling all in here :3
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btw Killer and Puma are engaged in a pretty good but at times a bit dnapisdnsadnpsad game on Entombed Valley
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On March 07 2012 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening.. There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate. I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta. I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor?
Protoss doesn't need to make nearly that many phoenixes. Feast could have stayed on 1 stargate and the +2 range would have been enough to prevent the mutalisks from flying into his main and wreaking havoc.
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no way puma is stopping late game double robo + templars even if he's ahead
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Feast looks pretty bad to be honest. It was embarrassing how he lost a Colossus because he a moved his deathball to defend Muta harass and the Colossus got there faster.
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is it even possible for an opening to be too small for a gateway but to small for a cannon
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On March 07 2012 19:41 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening.. There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate. I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta. I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor? Protoss doesn't need to make nearly that many phoenixes. Feast could have stayed on 1 stargate and the +2 range would have been enough to prevent the mutalisks from flying into his main and wreaking havoc.
I have as of yet to ever see this scenario but I guess the new upgrade has as of yet to be fleshed out. I could just be completely wrong about this one. But pre-patch for sure Muta were fine against single stargate pheonix.
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