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Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#901
IdrA wins a ZvP! Stop the presses lads, rewrite the headline, scoff, and shelve it.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#902
IdrAAAAAAAAAAA
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#903
Omg, why turn around when you are on the other side of the map already T.T Really needed templar tech against the muta ball.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#904
On March 07 2012 19:35 MVTaylor wrote:
IdrA playing some utterly awful PvZ, constantly making mutas that should be hard countered while taking forever to get extra bases and tech but due to bad play and decisions from feast it works...

mass muta withotu aoe spell cant be countered without recent pheonix buff, watch dimaga vs someone when he goes for pure muta on double spire, microed mutalisk ball (stacked) is unkillable without aoe/buffed mass pheonix
Stork[gm]
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#905
On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..


what is the alternative? colossus will follow... roach hydra is completely useless, infestors not that good gaianst colos.
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#906
On March 07 2012 19:28 DoubleB wrote:
Muta vs mass Phoenix? Is Idra on drugs?

He knows something we don't or feast just has never practiced phoenix micro.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#907
Feast was pretty clueless against the mutas. Also Greg was quite slow with his tech, didn't even matter.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#908
That's a situation where the new Phoenix upgrade might have shined.
Zealot Orgy
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom537 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#909
On March 07 2012 19:35 mememolly wrote:
storms and/or archons idra played so bad but got away with it


Easy when you find the only Protoss in the world that sits on 3 bases and wait to get counterattacked over and over and over again without doing anything to prevent it.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#910
On March 07 2012 19:35 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:32 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:30 doffe wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:29 Philipd122 wrote:
I'm trying to analyse why IdrA's macro has been so poor lately, it seriously looks like he has a 80% handicap on normal zerg macro. I mean his queen injects look fine and he's constantly droning but he somehow doesnt have enough larva, drones and units I'm used to seeing in ZvP.


The difference between IdrA and other similar zergs like Ret is that IdrA doesnt seem to think he needs to micro his units at all sometime. He just amoves and is often extremly costinefficient with his army.

I'm pretty sure this is simply not true, I've seen Idra do fairly strong micro in vT and vZ. The difference is that he makes some terrible decisions mid game because he literally always assumes that's he's behind during every game.


Idras armycontrol is definatly sub par compared to alot of other top zergs with a macro focus. If it is a lack of control, multitasking (doubt that) or simply a contious choice to focus on macro I do not know. But I must say that players like ret, drg, stephano seems to get about the same amount of units but focus alot more on controling them then what ive seen idra do.


He doesn't usually micro that much, but I really feel like people overstate it because of how bad his decisions are so he ends up in stupid fights where all of his units die.
Megaman_X
Profile Joined October 2011
United States164 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#911
i thought people knew that 1 stargate phoenix can be countered by mutas.... o.o. maybe not.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
March 07 2012 10:36 GMT
#912
Terrible game from Feast. Going half-assed for the phoenix counter never works. Either all out with the range upgrade or just pray to get storm.

And when you move out against muta-zerg you have to be decisive. If you are not willing to base-race, don't move out, because muta-zerg will always baserace
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#913
On March 07 2012 19:34 Asha` wrote:
Even Idra can win with mutas xD


Even Feast can win with chargelot archon. See what I did there? Just because Feast seemed incapable of teching beyond blink or controlling army in more then one place at a time in that game, doesn't mean much.
RIP GOMTV. RIP PROLEAGUE.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#914
I would have loved to see the phoenix upgrade researched for the first time in a pro game :D
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#915
On March 07 2012 19:36 Megaman_X wrote:
i thought people knew that 1 stargate phoenix can be countered by mutas.... o.o. maybe not.


this
methoD.
Profile Joined January 2011
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 10:37:50
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#916
Feast not looking good here, u cant win without storm against Muta/Ling


On March 07 2012 19:37 Lasbike wrote:
I would have loved to see the phoenix upgrade researched for the first time in a pro game :D


actually socke did this yesterday against killer
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#917
On March 07 2012 19:36 theBALLS wrote:
IDRA beast mode.


yeah, +1 on lings at 14 minutes is beast mode
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#918
On March 07 2012 19:35 Audemed wrote:
FFS feast, get fleet beacon :/

Well better get HTs or Archons and just roll over ground and air :D
Lings / Muta <<<<< Storm/Archon
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#919
On March 07 2012 19:36 Jyvblamo wrote:
That's a situation where the new Phoenix upgrade might have shined.


I've had the range win me a few games in that situation. You end up losing probes still, but at least you can kill the mutas off.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
March 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#920
On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..

There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate.

I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
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