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The time has come for our eleventh IGN Pro League Fight Club! This is a weekly king of the hill showmatch series. Basically, there will be a 1 vs. 1 best of 9 showmatch each and every week, where the winner will earn a $500 prize and a $100 bounty on their head. For example, if a player wins three weeks in a row they will have earned $1,500 and a $300 bounty. If a NEW challenger defeats him, they will earn $500 for the showmatch, take the $300 bounty home, and have a new $100 bounty placed on their head for each week that they win. (Similar to IPL Team Arena, but without the teams!)
When: Sunday, Feb 19 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Sunday, Feb 19 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
HerO is now on a roll, having taken out the reigning GSL champion NSH.Jjakji and one of Europe's finest players, mTw.Dimaga! His challenger is a person he's played a few times before, mouz.ThorZaIN, a man with many of his own accomplishments! Here are our players:
 Liquid`HerO![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Oy3Ys.png)  mouz.ThorZaIN![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q3pgj.gif)
Poll: Who Will Win?!Liquid`HerO (249) 51% mouz.ThorZaIN (238) 49% 487 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): Liquid`HerO
(Vote): mouz.ThorZaIN
Results!+ Show Spoiler [IPL Fight Club Results] +HerO < Tal'Darim Altar > ThorZaIN
HerO < Calm Before the Storm > ThorZaIN
HerO < Shattered Temple > ThorZaIN
HerO < Shakuras Plateau > ThorZaIN
HerO < Daybreak > ThorZaIN
HerO < Sanshorn Mist AE > ThorZaIN
HerO < Antiga Shipyard > ThorZaIN
HerO < Terminus > ThorZaIN
Congratulations to HerO, winning $500 more and increasing his streak to 3-0!
The YouTube playlist for this series is now up: HerO vs ThorZaIN bo9
Map List
Terminus SE
Darkness Falls
Sanshorn Mist
Atlantis Spaceship
Shakuras Plateau
Calm Before the Storm
Shattered Temple
Antiga Shipyard (Cross Only)
Daybreak
Tal’Darim Altar
All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas and Doa!
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ThorZaIN can take this but he must not make mistakes he used to do when tired, TvP is very unforgiving for terran !
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In the extra Group Phase HerO beat ThorZain, gonna go with him this time. But this picture of ThorZaIN is epic :D
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Tough opponent, but HerO will prevail. HerO fighting!!
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The picture alone makes me root for ThorZaIN.
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didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met?
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Tz > All.. prepare for a stompin'!
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
COME.ON.THORZAIN.
Should be epic, HerO is damn good, but ThorZain is the man, the king, the Spoon-Terran, the MasterJane!
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On February 18 2012 09:45 ninjamyst wrote:
didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met?
Yes, he beat him in the NASTL, and according to TLPD ThorZaIN has won everytime he played HerO. 
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Oh nice, another victim for our HerO. Thorzain will make worthy but not dangerous prey.
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Greece292 Posts
Thorzain FuCK yes!! I am staying late all these nights studying and it would be awesome to chill and watch some good tvp after that!! Good pick!
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gogo thorzain. best foreign terran when prepared. (unprepared its kas...)
should be epic, looking forward to it.
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Gonna go with Thorzain. Not only do I love him...but look at that picture metagame. Hero looking bored and Thorzain looking to Hulk smash everyone. Sickest game face ever
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Thorzain doesn't lose to hero, should be a pretty quick series.
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This is going to be absolutely sick. ThorZaiN's best matchup. I expect him to win this by a 4-3 or 4-2 score.
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ThorZaiN fighting! Sorry Hero :D. And yeah, I love that pose.
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I like both guys, but HerO is still my hero
Hoping for an epic match today. 5-4 for HerO would be best.
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Honestly as long as this goes to 7 games or more I don't really give a damn who wins.
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This will be awesome. I feel like thorzain went through a phase tvp where his builds got a bit outdated and he struggled. However, recently he has been changing it up and doing very well. I can't wait to see him get an opportunity vs. a very high end toss.
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Oh man ! Finally we can see where Thorzain stands against good Korean players. Also, Hero has been on tear lately and Thorzain is his kryptonite, can't wait for the outcome.
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On February 18 2012 09:59 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:45 ninjamyst wrote:
didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met? Yes, he beat him in the NASTL, and according to TLPD ThorZaIN has won everytime he played HerO.
Didnt thorzain lose to hero in some sloppy games in the replay of IPL3 pool C?
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On February 18 2012 14:56 LesPhoques wrote:
Oh man ! Finally we can see where Thorzain stands against good Korean players. Also, Hero has been on tear lately and Thorzain is his kryptonite, can't wait for the outcome.
I think the much better test would be MLG Arena next week, where he will be going against the likes of Nestea, MVP, MC and such.
Anyway this should be good, porbably gonna throw it up on my big screen and watch it like that. ^.^
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ThorZaIN's TvP is some of the best in the world.
No, don't use his loss to iNcontroL to try and discredit that. We're talking Prime ThorZaIN.
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lmao love that pic of thorzain. RAAAAAAAR
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Could go either way. I made the mistake of counting Hero out vs Jjakji, and look how that turned out.
I'm tentatively going to go with ThorZain, though.
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On February 18 2012 14:57 Insomni7 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:59 Eee wrote:On February 18 2012 09:45 ninjamyst wrote:
didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met? Yes, he beat him in the NASTL, and according to TLPD ThorZaIN has won everytime he played HerO. Didnt thorzain lose to hero in some sloppy games in the replay of IPL3 pool C?
As far as I'm aware that pool was never played because of technical issues so they flipped a coin in all the games.
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In before hero rolling through
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On February 18 2012 20:31 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 14:57 Insomni7 wrote:On February 18 2012 09:59 Eee wrote:On February 18 2012 09:45 ninjamyst wrote:
didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met? Yes, he beat him in the NASTL, and according to TLPD ThorZaIN has won everytime he played HerO. Didnt thorzain lose to hero in some sloppy games in the replay of IPL3 pool C? As far as I'm aware that pool was never played because of technical issues so they flipped a coin in all the games.
It was played a few months later because there was prize money for top 2 places (or just top 1, not sure), and they didn't want to award the prize money for coin flips at IPL3.
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I think we all know how this will end...
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ThorZaiNs TvP is pretty good, can't see HerO winning this.
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On February 18 2012 20:47 eYeball wrote:
ThorZaiNs TvP is pretty good, can't see HerO winning this.
Jjakji's TvP is also pretty good, HerO wrecked him.
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On February 18 2012 20:56 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 20:47 eYeball wrote:
ThorZaiNs TvP is pretty good, can't see HerO winning this. Jjakji's TvP is also pretty good, HerO wrecked him.
Yup, "wrecked him" 5-3.
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Love tzain, and I'm worried but hero can prevail!
Hero fighting!!!
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On February 18 2012 21:15 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 20:56 MrMercuG wrote:On February 18 2012 20:47 eYeball wrote:
ThorZaiNs TvP is pretty good, can't see HerO winning this. Jjakji's TvP is also pretty good, HerO wrecked him. Yup, "wrecked him" 5-3.
All the games HerO won were completely one-sided, all the games Jjakji won (except one) were fairly even.
Then again, I'm sure Thorzain will come more prepared specifically for HerO than Jjakji was, so this one could definitely go either way.
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On February 18 2012 09:59 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:45 ninjamyst wrote:
didn't Thorzain take out HerO the last time they met? Yes, he beat him in the NASTL, and according to TLPD ThorZaIN has won everytime he played HerO.
Thats wrong, HerO beat Thorzain in the redone IPL group phase.
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Thorzain has a very strong TvP but I wouldn`t regard it as strong as back then in TSL. At least in the last weeks he had to work really hard for his wins and since he plays a rather safe and defensive style the Protoss is usually able to get his deathball with upgrades which in the current setting works in favour of the toss. Hero played a strong lategame style vs Jiakji so I would declare him as the favourite however his play has a lot of up-and downswings so it is difficult to predict the outcome.
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Oh my god man. This is going to be insane. Hero needs to smash him- cause all I remember is tzain smashing him. 
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
This is going to be a great match! Something of a rivalry too!
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This is going to be so good! Better get out my build order notebook.
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wow CANNOT WAIT! top class players!!
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im sorry i love hero and all...but how can u not side with thorzain???
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Thorzain. Gogogogogogo Thorzain. I really do like hero, but rooting for the foreigner ftw
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Wow, two fan favorites!
With the current meta-game, it looks better for Hero, but I'll be rooting for Thorzain nonetheless.
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Got to love Thorzian, but i can never vote against HerO, he is just too cool. Ether way looking forward to some awesome games
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HAH my vote broke the 50/50
GOOOO HERO!!
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5-2 Hero, Thorzain has not looked the same the past few months
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Just based on their current record against each other, I'm going to have to say ThorZaIN will win. HerO might pull something though.
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Gonna say 5-2 HerO. He has just been playing way too good as of late.
HerO fighting!
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Three and a half hours is a long time to wait
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Greece292 Posts
Hero,Thorzain,Cast Pajamas,Doa.One word:Epic!
I will force myself to study for the next 3 hours and then watch some awesome starcraft!
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I am so so so stoked for this matchup :D:D:D:D:D
Hope HerO wreaks face. but hopefully Thorzain at least takes it to 9 games for the best show possible.
On February 19 2012 06:32 Stipulation wrote:Three and a half hours is a long time to wait
30 more minutes. make some food, some coffee if its your thing, get comfy...
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Wow! 15 Minutes until game time and the poll is still exactly 50/50 predictions either way.
Hero fighting!!!
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
It's about to start! GLGL to both, extra special GL to Thorzain.
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about to get stoned as shit for some epic games ^^
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Yes, lets hope its worth waiting for, its pretty late here...
Rooting for Marcus of course
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He's right... vikings should stay in the air, where they're safe from stalkers.
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hero is banking serious money, should spam gateways. O_O
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this game is the prime example why tvp/pvt is so retarded.
nothing happens until terran has a bad engagement
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wow it's so sad to see terran still doesn't understand how late game toss works. thorzain showing everyone exactly how to lose an incredible lead in a tvp
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They need to stop talking about random things when so much is happening....
I think what I like about Artosis and Tasteless is that they only random "banter" when nothing is going on(aka at the beginning).
But all they're doing is making puns when I'm seeing magical things being done by Hero and Thorzain.
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Why is Thorzain not dropping the shit out of Hero...
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edit: Ok just tuned in! intersting strategie from hero for sure!
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On February 19 2012 10:25 heartlxp wrote:
wow it's so sad to see terran still doesn't understand how late game toss works. thorzain showing everyone exactly how to lose an incredible lead in a tvp
On what level do you play? Tal'Darim is a horror for TvP once it goes up to 4 base, as your 4th is just very hard to take / keep it secure. Protoss can spread you out and HerO does exactly that completely right. In lategame you switch to a lot of ghosts + Vikings and not so much marine/marauder to win the fights clearly, yet ghosts are not as fast and cannot be stimmed so you lose mobility. Dropping once blink/mass warpgates are available becomes less valid, yet strong if you can get a good drop off.
But that really comes down to Tal'Darim being a very hard map to get the 4th steadily running, even with the PF / Turret that highground and warpin makes it so annoying. This leads to even if the Terran can win fights , he cannot really take bases or keep them running savely. Warpin 9 o'clock and harass it, warpprism in main, mainarmy at 12 o'clock.
Terran is all spread out. Maybe you should try to understand why the players are doing what they are doing and what exactly makes him fall apart more than blatantly stating how the game was already won and he is throwing it away. If you want to explain TvP - please do so, but don't just post stuff that makes you look like a douche.
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First game is turning out to be pretty exciting
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This is going to be a long night for me T_T
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none of the casters realizing nuke was right behind thorzains army :\
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On February 19 2012 10:30 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:25 heartlxp wrote:
wow it's so sad to see terran still doesn't understand how late game toss works. thorzain showing everyone exactly how to lose an incredible lead in a tvp On what level do you play? Tal'Darim is a horror for TvP once it goes up to 4 base, as your 4th is just very hard to take / keep it secure. Protoss can spread you out and HerO does exactly that completely right. In lategame you switch to a lot of ghosts + Vikings and not so much marine/marauder to win the fights clearly, yet ghosts are not as fast and cannot be stimmed so you lose mobility. Dropping once blink/mass warpgates are available becomes less valid, yet strong if you can get a good drop off. But that really comes down to Tal'Darim being a very hard map to get the 4th steadily running, even with the PF / Turret that highground and warpin makes it so annoying. This leads to even if the Terran can win fights , he cannot really take bases or keep them running savely. Warpin 9 o'clock and harass it, warpprism in main, mainarmy at 12 o'clock. Terran is all spread out. Maybe you should try to understand why the players are doing what they are doing and what exactly makes him fall apart more than blatantly stating how the game was already won and he is throwing it away. If you want to explain TvP - please do so, but don't just post stuff that makes you look like a douche.
wow, you're type now. not used to seeing that in front of naruto. as stephano would say, gz.
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He nuked atleast once behind his army to prevent Hero from approaching him, casters, it was on screen for like 5 seconds o.o
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They just missed a nuke that was right on their screen when they were asking where it was?
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Thorzain with so many vikings o.o
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why does hero not have an army. how can he lose fights with 20 vikings vs. 0 collossus. thats so weird.
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tal'darim is an awful map for tvp....
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Hero seems so lost
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On February 19 2012 10:36 GreyKnight wrote:
tal'darim is an awful map for tvp....
Isn't Thorzain winning...?
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HerO does need 2-3 speed observers with a good maxed army. He does need a lot of colossi (5-6) even though Thorzain got a lot of vikings, he needs AoE against those ghosts. Thorzain can snipe , but he probably won't get 2-3 speed obs. He also needs stalkers as Ghosts deal enormous damage to zealots, while they don't to stalkers. Anyways its easier said than done, if Terran gets 20-30 Ghosts, things get VERY hard for Protoss.
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On February 19 2012 10:34 teddyoojo wrote:
why does hero not have an army. how can he lose fights with 20 vikings vs. 0 collossus. thats so weird.
Its not 20, but Ghosts are very strong with EMP against Archon and very strong with base damage (26!) vs zealots. They can also snipe. So they remove shields instantly, snipe + insane base damage. Also they have a lot of health and medivacs, rest is thanks to bio. Its very tricky to fight Terran straight up in such a lategame scenario, but, HerO is winning I think.
Actually if the Colossi fall, EMP will own HerO. haha
On February 19 2012 10:36 GreyKnight wrote:
tal'darim is an awful map for tvp....
Yup.
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Holy feedbacks batman! That was like 8/9 ghosts
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what an awful game no engagements armies going cleaning expos never engaging :DDD
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^
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OMFG what a fucking amazing game by my absolute two favorite players
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Wow, that was a great game. Looks like a non-deathball style with Protoss isn't really as efficient though. Only time will tell, I guess.
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gg very good first game by both players!
those vikings not attacking! was nerve biting!
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Lol in classic Spoon Terran Style . Wouldn't have it any other way.
Edit: + Show Spoiler +On February 19 2012 10:40 Kira__ wrote:
spooned
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Holy shit was at the edge of my seat the whole game, that was tense.
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On February 19 2012 10:38 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:34 teddyoojo wrote:
why does hero not have an army. how can he lose fights with 20 vikings vs. 0 collossus. thats so weird. Its not 20, but Ghosts are very strong with EMP against Archon and very strong with base damage (26!) vs zealots. They can also snipe. So they remove shields instantly, snipe + insane base damage. Also they have a lot of health and medivacs, rest is thanks to bio. Its very tricky to fight Terran straight up in such a lategame scenario, but, HerO is winning I think.
no. there should be no way in the world protoss should lose a 200 vs 200 fight with 40 useless viking supply.
On February 19 2012 10:40 KicKDoG wrote:
gg very good first game by both players!
those vikings not attacking! was nerve biting!
he rightclicked on the prism with the templars in it because it was way more important than 3 collossus
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Brozain sure plays smooth
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Lol at all the Terrans calling TvP unwinnable lategame. The balance is quite even and Terran can come out ahead if they fully utilize their tech.
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What a first game, wow.
spoon terran spooning his way to the first win.
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Damn Thorzain is just so patient in every matchup he plays
Boring at times, but really insightful
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On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^
ROFL, exactly right. Both sides are imba depending on who you talk to.
Hero did really well, but eventually those base harass tactics were just massively inefficient. GJ Thorzain!
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Late templar to the fight lost that game
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Noooo, Calm! Hopefully Thorzain goes for proxy 2rax.
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On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^
I think with a 'good' engagement and army control, the Terran lategame with 24 ghosts, ~14 vikings and the rest bio + medivacs is nearly impossible to beat. You need to scan and kill the observers so the cloaked ghosts survive (move them into the Protoss army, so they don't suffer AoE from Colossus. Vikings with damage upgrades take down colossi really fast and yeah... thats when you have PERFECT engagements.
Thing is, 1 observer surviving and you losing your ghosts can switch everything back to Protoss and if Protoss did bank money and won the engagement, you are dead as Terran. Its all just a control-war I think. In Beta it was just army a-move into army a-move, now its VERY VERY sick control and map awareness.
I really think which WAY its going, yet I think the match up is so fragile, you can win a lost game or lose a won game in an instant.
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On February 19 2012 10:42 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^ ROFL, exactly right. Both sides are imba depending on who you talk to. Hero did really well, but eventually those base harass tactics were just massively inefficient. GJ Thorzain!
I think the base harasses were effective... the zealot attacks into planetaries though...
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On February 19 2012 10:41 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 19 2012 10:34 teddyoojo wrote:
why does hero not have an army. how can he lose fights with 20 vikings vs. 0 collossus. thats so weird. Its not 20, but Ghosts are very strong with EMP against Archon and very strong with base damage (26!) vs zealots. They can also snipe. So they remove shields instantly, snipe + insane base damage. Also they have a lot of health and medivacs, rest is thanks to bio. Its very tricky to fight Terran straight up in such a lategame scenario, but, HerO is winning I think. no. there should be no way in the world protoss should lose a 200 vs 200 fight with 40 useless viking supply.
Ghosts son....
but in all seriousness, this kind of does goto show how powerful Ghosts are. Snipe and emp nullifies templar and archons, with the mass vikings stopping him from even making collosi.... and with no AoE damage gateway armies will just straight up die to stimmed bio, even with all of that supply dumped into vikings and ghosts.
I think this is surprising to people only because so many Terrans have been complaining about late game PvT, when really its fairly balanced at the moment.
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On February 19 2012 10:40 Kira__ wrote:
spooned
indeed. incredible patience by thorzain. so many good decisions mad by him. best one was when he did not go for the baserace in the end, beeing aware of the fact that hero is not mining as well and by having the stronger army.
heros army has never been that strong becuz he was split up nearly all game and thorzain keeping his vikings alive all game so fukin good...
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On February 19 2012 10:42 how2TL wrote:
Late templar to the fight lost that game
The templar were denied by the vikings since HerO was going for WP HT drops. He probably should have just kept the templar on the ground and tried to storm what he could.
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Honestly it's a little frustrating to see that a deathball style is rewarded more than Hero's harass based style. Hero would've won that game if he had his army together I feel.
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On February 19 2012 10:41 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:38 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 19 2012 10:34 teddyoojo wrote:
why does hero not have an army. how can he lose fights with 20 vikings vs. 0 collossus. thats so weird. Its not 20, but Ghosts are very strong with EMP against Archon and very strong with base damage (26!) vs zealots. They can also snipe. So they remove shields instantly, snipe + insane base damage. Also they have a lot of health and medivacs, rest is thanks to bio. Its very tricky to fight Terran straight up in such a lategame scenario, but, HerO is winning I think. no. there should be no way in the world protoss should lose a 200 vs 200 fight with 40 useless viking supply. Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:40 KicKDoG wrote:
gg very good first game by both players!
those vikings not attacking! was nerve biting! he rightclicked on the prism with the templars in it because it was way more important than 3 collossus
It wasn't 20 vikings, but even if so - Terran has less scvs due to mules which leads to general 'bigger' army supply. If you can nullifie Protoss AoE (Templar, Archon, Colossi) which all works with Ghost/Viking you are very good to go. Also cloaked ghosts cannot be attacked if you have no obs (dying to vikings)) so yeah, its just very possible :-)! Watch EmpireHappy play, he nearly never loses TvP engagements^^!
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On February 19 2012 10:44 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:42 how2TL wrote:
Late templar to the fight lost that game The templar were denied by the vikings since HerO was going for WP HT drops. He probably should have just kept the templar on the ground and tried to storm what he could.
Id love to see him storm shit with >20 ghosts in that army and vikings/scans for vision
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On February 19 2012 10:42 StarVe wrote:
Noooo, Calm! Hopefully Thorzain goes for proxy 2rax.
Ohh yeaaahhh!
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On February 19 2012 10:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:44 HolyArrow wrote:On February 19 2012 10:42 how2TL wrote:
Late templar to the fight lost that game The templar were denied by the vikings since HerO was going for WP HT drops. He probably should have just kept the templar on the ground and tried to storm what he could. Id love to see him storm shit with >20 ghosts in that army and vikings/scans for vision
Better than the WP coming in after his ground army is already dead 
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On February 19 2012 10:43 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^ I think with a 'good' engagement and army control, the Terran lategame with 24 ghosts, ~14 vikings and the rest bio + medivacs is nearly impossible to beat. You need to scan and kill the observers so the cloaked ghosts survive (move them into the Protoss army, so they don't suffer AoE from Colossus. Vikings with damage upgrades take down colossi really fast and yeah... thats when you have PERFECT engagements.
well. thats why its so unbelievably hard to win tvp in high master/casual gm.
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not very spoonish, yet effective
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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double expand, what the hellion
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8gate Parting push incoming!
Goddammit you casters -.-
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
This 1gate nexus nexus is what ruined a GSL thread last week with imba claims.
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I want Hero to win...but if he does...the thread will be 1000 pages long with imba calls!!!!!!
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On February 19 2012 10:48 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^ I think with a 'good' engagement and army control, the Terran lategame with 24 ghosts, ~14 vikings and the rest bio + medivacs is nearly impossible to beat. You need to scan and kill the observers so the cloaked ghosts survive (move them into the Protoss army, so they don't suffer AoE from Colossus. Vikings with damage upgrades take down colossi really fast and yeah... thats when you have PERFECT engagements. well. thats why its so unbelievably hard to win tvp in high master/casual gm.
I think you are Protoss and I don't think a high master / casual gm can pull of perfect engagements and have such good map awareness. I'm very high master and get matched from super high master to top GM so my MMR is kind of shaky, yet when I get to the stage of mass ghost / viking with full upgrades its still insanely hard as usually the Protoss have good control as well. Trying to play against TypeReaL you will get mad as he has such good control.
As said, it was all assuming perfect control which usually only very top pros such as MVP etc have. Happy is extraordinary for example in controlling his army in lategame. Anyways I don't want to discuss balance here, as I personally think the game is developing as it should be.
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On February 19 2012 10:53 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:48 teddyoojo wrote:On February 19 2012 10:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^ I think with a 'good' engagement and army control, the Terran lategame with 24 ghosts, ~14 vikings and the rest bio + medivacs is nearly impossible to beat. You need to scan and kill the observers so the cloaked ghosts survive (move them into the Protoss army, so they don't suffer AoE from Colossus. Vikings with damage upgrades take down colossi really fast and yeah... thats when you have PERFECT engagements. well. thats why its so unbelievably hard to win tvp in high master/casual gm. I think you are Protoss and I don't think a high master / casual gm can pull of perfect engagements and have such good map awareness. I'm very high master and get matched from super high master to top GM so my MMR is kind of shaky, yet when I get to the stage of mass ghost / viking with full upgrades its still insanely hard as usually the Protoss have good control as well. Trying to play against TypeReaL you will get mad as he has such good control. As said, it was all assuming perfect control which usually only very top pros such as MVP etc have. Happy is extraordinary for example in controlling his army in lategame. Anyways I don't want to discuss balance here, as I personally think the game is developing as it should be.
I think he was agreeing with you :o
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Is it laggy for anyone else or is it on my end? These are my two favorite players and I want uninterrupted smoothness -_-
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On February 19 2012 10:53 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:48 teddyoojo wrote:On February 19 2012 10:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 19 2012 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:
What a wild game. Neither seems sure which side of a maxed PvT battle is imba right now. ^^ I think with a 'good' engagement and army control, the Terran lategame with 24 ghosts, ~14 vikings and the rest bio + medivacs is nearly impossible to beat. You need to scan and kill the observers so the cloaked ghosts survive (move them into the Protoss army, so they don't suffer AoE from Colossus. Vikings with damage upgrades take down colossi really fast and yeah... thats when you have PERFECT engagements. well. thats why its so unbelievably hard to win tvp in high master/casual gm. I think you are Protoss and I don't think a high master / casual gm can pull of perfect engagements and have such good map awareness. I'm very high master and get matched from super high master to top GM so my MMR is kind of shaky, yet when I get to the stage of mass ghost / viking with full upgrades its still insanely hard as usually the Protoss have good control as well. Trying to play against TypeReaL you will get mad as he has such good control. As said, it was all assuming perfect control which usually only very top pros such as MVP etc have. Happy is extraordinary for example in controlling his army in lategame. Anyways I don't want to discuss balance here, as I personally think the game is developing as it should be.
just to clarify: im terran and i agreed with you. "tvp is hard". i also play toss and zerg quite often but i wont express my opinion on protoss further because id get banned and it doesnt belong here.
heros army is so small once again i dont understand
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HerO has too much probes, he cannot fight ThorZains army if he has nearly 90 probes against ~55 scvs.
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haha^
thorzain pissed
so much easier to take bases in that situation for protoss, just put 8 cannons and a templar, a pf is never that safe..
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hero is so frustrating to play against =D
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Gahh, at least try to win an engagement... TT.
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lol hero has to be more willing to trade armies.
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wow, I would've fought that game out. lucky engagement and he could've won.
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wth..ThorZaiN needed to use the restroom?
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if this was idra, thread would hit 20 pages after that gg
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Calm is such a bad Map. Very hard to take and hold bases for Terran here. No way for Thorzain to take out Heros bases in the buttom.
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Hero had like double the bases as he did the first game, its not really comparable.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other?
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On February 19 2012 11:03 Killmouse wrote:
gg cauz no vikings
Hit the nail on the head
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On February 19 2012 11:03 Kira__ wrote:
if this was idra, thread would hit 20 pages after that gg
lol. different scenarios i believe
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Oh wow at least engaged that battle Tzain
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On February 19 2012 11:03 s3rp wrote:
Calm is such a bad Map. Very hard to take and hold bases . There was no way he could've ever stopped Heros bases.
I thought that was an example of Calm being a good map. Hero outplayed Thorzain with multitasking, good army positioning, out expanding etc, all without having deathball smashing against each other.
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On February 19 2012 11:03 Kira__ wrote:
if this was idra, thread would hit 20 pages after that gg
Hehe. With the difference that IdrA would have gg'ed about ten minutes earlier.
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That is the most understandable, yet confusing gg Ive ever seen.
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On February 19 2012 11:04 SCST wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other?
Thorzain is one of the few people in the world that is allowed to spoon with Hero
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It doesn't matter if thorzain wins that engagement though, which he would have. The problem was that HerO already had his late game infrastructure up while thorzain just got his 4th up. I think when they were counting HerO's bases you could see like ~20 gates and 2 robos.
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On February 19 2012 11:05 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:04 SCST wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other? Thorzain is one of the few people in the world that is allowed to spoon with Hero
It's fascinating to watch . . . =D
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On February 19 2012 11:03 -_- wrote:
wow, I would've fought that game out. lucky engagement and he could've won.
With this many bases and a Map that big . Hero would've had the same army again before Thorzain would've arrirved that Heros base. You will not win a game with Protoss having 5+ bases and 30+ Gates . You can never kill him even if you win a fight. Then you get backstapped while you move out with warped in Zealots .
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On February 19 2012 11:03 Killmouse wrote:
gg cauz no vikings
This he just lost almost all his vikings.... with only ghosts against collosi and a much worse economy = GG... Yea he should have played it out and tried but it was over.....
Heh I wonder if people will all cry BM over this? Zenio kills his units when the game was done instead of fighting it out and everyone cried bloody murder about it...(Note I don't think and don't want anyone to do this... just pointing out the double standards of a lot of people....)
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On February 19 2012 11:04 Jisall wrote:Hit the nail on the head
He had 12 vikings to 3 collossi. He was behind economically, but way ahead army wise. He had plenty of ghosts, the right amount of vikings, and 30 army supply up. He shouldnt have gg'ed
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On February 19 2012 11:05 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:05 Dakkas wrote:On February 19 2012 11:04 SCST wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other? Thorzain is one of the few people in the world that is allowed to spoon with Hero It's fascinating to watch . . . =D
Though I am a bit jelly that he's spooning with Hero
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On February 19 2012 11:05 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:04 SCST wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other? Thorzain is one of the few people in the world that is allowed to spoon with Hero
Wait is Thorzain taking Hero under his wing like Ret and Demuslim?
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On February 19 2012 11:07 nooboon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:05 Dakkas wrote:On February 19 2012 11:04 SCST wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HerO and Thorzain are . . . spooning each other? Thorzain is one of the few people in the world that is allowed to spoon with Hero Wait is Thorzain taking Hero under his wing like Ret and Demuslim?
Who is the big spoon is to be decided with this showmap.
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On February 19 2012 11:04 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:03 s3rp wrote:
Calm is such a bad Map. Very hard to take and hold bases . There was no way he could've ever stopped Heros bases. I thought that was an example of Calm being a good map. Hero outplayed Thorzain with multitasking, good army positioning, out expanding etc, all without having deathball smashing against each other.
Its harder to take and hold expansions as Terran in the later stages on a Map where you have to spread yourself this thin. It's very easy to get backstabbed by some Warpins.
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It was 1 gate nexus into 4 gate pressure, right? I didn't catch it as someone called at work. Is there a reason Thorzain went for 4 barracks instead of 3 into a starport, because on ladder I keep getting a very big disadvantage if that kind of pressure hits me and I only have 1 bunker, as you just don't have enough units if you don't go 4 barracks and a fast starport.
If a Protoss here could answer how to 'realize' its a sort of that pressure it would be great. Also, tanks for the replies.
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Whoa! I thought Gold Bases were out of competitive play?
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On February 19 2012 11:15 Type|NarutO wrote:
It was 1 gate nexus into 4 gate pressure, right? I didn't catch it as someone called at work. Is there a reason Thorzain went for 4 barracks instead of 3 into a starport, because on ladder I keep getting a very big disadvantage if that kind of pressure hits me and I only have 1 bunker, as you just don't have enough units if you don't go 4 barracks and a fast starport.
If a Protoss here could answer how to 'realize' its a sort of that pressure it would be great. Also, tanks for the replies.
thorzain played 1 rax 3 cc 2 gas into 4 rax so really greedy actually. but because of 3 cc he can use lots of scvs.
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lol watching late game tvp puts me on tilt
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Thorzain just lost 15-20 ghosts to colossi shots when he pulled them away from his army
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Thorzains unit control -.-'
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Holy shit... did anyone else see all those ghost get wrecked by like 2 collosi volleys?
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such an unforgiving matchup.....-_-
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Poor roasted ghosts
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On February 19 2012 11:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit... did anyone else see all those ghost get wrecked by like 2 collosi volleys?
Yep. Thorzain caught off guard with his ghost positioning.
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I am not sure, but, I think Hero forgot storm on that game?
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Thorzain was waiting for Cloak in the middle of the Map and got caught in the worst possible Moment. He didn#t expect Hero to move out .
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On February 19 2012 11:21 jupiter6 wrote:
lol watching late game tvp puts me on tilt
yea its frustrating to watch sometimes, but hero plays it really really well.
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That engagement wasn't the best =/.
Time for some spooning!
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Thorzain definitely needed more production facilities that game..
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On February 19 2012 11:22 DMXD wrote:
such an unforgiving matchup.....-_-
in any match up if you lose like 10 of your high cost spell casters before the main engagement is going to be unforgiving.....
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Thorzain thought his ghosts had cloak i think. Thats why he left them in the open.
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On February 19 2012 11:21 jupiter6 wrote:
lol watching late game tvp puts me on tilt
I'm surprised you can stand to watch it. Any TvP that goes past 15 minutes I usually just close out of in disgust.
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On February 19 2012 11:22 Obelisco wrote:
I am not sure, but, I think Hero forgot storm on that game?
I don't think he forgot it; just skipped it for faster collosus switch.
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On February 19 2012 11:23 s3rp wrote:
Thorzain was waiting for Cloak in the middle of the Map and got caught in the worst possible Moment. He didn#t expect Hero to move out .
Yeah I was thinking that. Cloak was like 5seconds from finishing.
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Not one single drop or harass... Maxing out to 200... Thozain what are you thinking?
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3-3 was soo close to finishing as well as cloak. Thorzain had to try and run, which led to him having a terrible engagement and losing the game
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Perfect timing just before 3-3 from thorzain.
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On February 19 2012 11:23 Folstag wrote:
Thorzain thought his ghosts had cloak i think. Thats why he left them in the open.
His 3-3 upgrades were 20 sec away so ran to try to get them before fight but forgot ghost are slow :p (I think)
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On February 19 2012 11:24 openbox1 wrote:
Not one single drop or harass... Maxing out to 200... Thozain what are you thinking?
Watch game 1... his maxed out army destroyed hero's... he just lost about 10 ghosts to collosi before that fight which is why is was so one sided
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With cloak Thorzain would have won the engagement I think, but yeah, that was a miscontrol by him. HerO caught him offguard so he couldn't really retreat. Shit happens, can happen to Protoss, this time it happened to Terran. On a very big map and that engagement happening at the Protoss half + a planetary at an expansion you might come back, but on Shattered and with losing 15 ghosts... no.
Very good series till now
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On February 19 2012 11:24 scarper65 wrote:
3-3 was soo close to finishing as well as cloak. Thorzain had to try and run, which led to him having a terrible engagement and losing the game
you cant run away with ghosts. they just dont wanna stim t-t
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On February 19 2012 11:22 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit... did anyone else see all those ghost get wrecked by like 2 collosi volleys? Yep. Thorzain caught off guard with his ghost positioning.
He wasnt caught off guard with immidiate position, he pulled the ghosts out of his army as the engage started with a seperate hotkey and they all just got focus fired down
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On February 19 2012 11:24 openbox1 wrote:
Not one single drop or harass... Maxing out to 200... Thozain what are you thinking?
Drops won't do much in the late game anyway, which is what his build was structured around, because HerO was constantly playing with a split army and lots of cannons. He even used warp prism to ferry ht/units to give him more mobility which he would have used to deny drops.
I dunno tvp is a weird match up.
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On February 19 2012 11:23 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Thorzain definitely needed more production facilities that game..
They are not going to help if you get steamrolled in the battle like that
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On February 19 2012 11:25 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:24 scarper65 wrote:
3-3 was soo close to finishing as well as cloak. Thorzain had to try and run, which led to him having a terrible engagement and losing the game you cant run away with ghosts. they just dont wanna stim t-t
Imagine ghosts with stim. That would be hilarious
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On February 19 2012 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:in any match up if you lose like 10 of your high cost spell casters before the main engagement is going to be unforgiving.....
He didn't lose them before the main engagement, he lost them in the main engagement. He emp'ed everything.
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On February 19 2012 11:26 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On February 19 2012 11:22 DMXD wrote:
such an unforgiving matchup.....-_- in any match up if you lose like 10 of your high cost spell casters before the main engagement is going to be unforgiving..... He didn't lose them before the main engagement, he lost them in the main engagement. He emp'ed everything.
Those EMPS were from the very few ghost who survived.. when I say before the main engagement i mean like 1-2 seconds before it. Collosi melted them then pushed in.
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2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain.
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Cross positions on shakuras is slightly closer by ground (because of the middle high ground platforms) so you should probably scout there first, i dont think many people know that though
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On February 19 2012 11:26 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:25 teddyoojo wrote:On February 19 2012 11:24 scarper65 wrote:
3-3 was soo close to finishing as well as cloak. Thorzain had to try and run, which led to him having a terrible engagement and losing the game you cant run away with ghosts. they just dont wanna stim t-t Imagine ghosts with stim. That would be hilarious
Gives me nightmares. I'm surprised how entertaining the games are so far. I guess I like TvP Lategame more than most people.
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On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain.
Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely
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I think Thorzain is ahead now, combat shields first is very tricky, hero probably expected conc shells
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On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:
Cross positions on metal is slightly closer by ground (because of the middle high ground platforms) so you should probably scout there first, i dont think many people know that though
Is this true?
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On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain. Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely
So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first?
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Looks like it's going to be a 2 base push from ThorZaIN
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On February 19 2012 11:32 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:
Cross positions on metal is slightly closer by ground (because of the middle high ground platforms) so you should probably scout there first, i dont think many people know that though Is this true?
Oops i meant Shakuras, edited
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I feel like ThorZaIN's build is having an identity crisis, nevertheless it's a really cool transition, don't know how cost effective it is if the initial 2 rax push is thwarted though.
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On February 19 2012 11:32 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain. Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first?
Hero does not usually loose nexus vs 2rax when playing nexus first, i said that before any engagement happened
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ThorZaIN played that out really cool
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yes! at last, thorzain didnt let hero max out..
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On February 19 2012 11:32 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain. Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first?
He is saying that if HerO defends the 2 rax the game is even at best for Terran. More likely in favor of HerO and thats perfectly correct. If you can hold a Nexus first against a 2 rax - very late expansion by Terran you will be ahead.
Obviously 'holding' is not equal to Nexus survives, but you lost 25 probes and 10 units...
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On February 19 2012 11:38 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:32 scarper65 wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain. Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first? Hero does not usually loose nexus vs 2rax when playing nexus first, i said that before any engagement happened
What do you mean by "Hero does not usually loose nexus." He lost it, which put him at an extreme disadvantage, which ended with him losing the game.
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That was an interesting transition from 2rax expand into 2 base marine tank banshee play. Its a good trick to have in your bag when everyone expects pure bio after a 2rax expand.
I do believe T using a couple Tanks in midgame is something to be further explored
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It's cool how back and forth this match up is. I really like that thorzain can hold his own both in the late game and with these early pushes. Very cool composition to win that game. The transition from 2-rax to tank banshee back to bio was genius, he's such a good player.
That said, go Hero, kick his ass =)!
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This is huge for HerO, with a 2 fe build thorzain has to be rine early to survive, if HerO gets lance and 2-3 colo and just pushes, I feel he can really punish tzain for delaying tech.
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Yeah 2-base collosi are coming back, they are still really strong.
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Very good protoss strategy with 15 nexus, 3 gate , 1 robo + 3 gate and 2colossus timing attack with warps.. Like that one.
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I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.
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Need marauder flank vs 2 base colossi. That's how Puma beats it without vikings.
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On February 19 2012 11:51 Zorgaz wrote:
Yeah 2-base collosi are coming back, they are still really strong.
they arent that strong, just when terran plays incredibly greedy they punish it. If thorzain had done a standard fe into 3rax 2 gas fact etc he woulda held really easy, tbh if he had done that hero prob woulda taken a third
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On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.
He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold.
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Thorzain just plays so passive when he goes for the macro. I know you can't drop a 2 base toss, but one scan? Also why does he absolutely refuse to get two bunkers instead of just one? That's cost him some mining time every time he pulls scvs...
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On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.
having more bunkers, and focus target the right units! and perhaps scout a bit better. But that happens ;{
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On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push. He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold.
Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?
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On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.
you can try to build like 4 bunkers, puts marauds in, and repair them until you got enough vikings.
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On February 19 2012 11:56 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push. He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold. Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?
Probably, but that is just going to kill you 5 minutes later when Hero pulls back and comes back with 3-6 colossi and you have only a few if any vikings
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On February 19 2012 11:56 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push. He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold. Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?
If you delay the starport tech any further you may end up too far behind on tech to catch up even if you hold the first push.
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On February 19 2012 11:40 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:38 Cyro wrote:On February 19 2012 11:32 scarper65 wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain. Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first? Hero does not usually loose nexus vs 2rax when playing nexus first, i said that before any engagement happened What do you mean by "Hero does not usually loose nexus." He lost it, which put him at an extreme disadvantage, which ended with him losing the game.
Dude, i wrote that like 3 minutes before the nexus fell. I said it was not a build order win and "If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely".
Nexus fell, so it was not held.
From hero's previous games, and replays, he holds 2 rax using nexus first all the time
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Oh no this isn't looking good, no extra Orbital and no Ebays =/.
Dt's looking scary
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Man Build a RAVEN!
And he did!? OMG ThorZaIN so SMART
Sorry for double post, got excited ^^
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Where is Drazerk, if he's missing this I'll be a sad panda
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WHAT how come i cant do that on the ladder
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Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well
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I feel like ThorZaiN is getting his comeuppance for using this build.
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That last game was hmhm. I think thorzain threw a lot of units away in his 2 pushs for hero's expand.
anyway another nerve biting game gj hero taking that one
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On February 19 2012 12:02 Badfatpanda wrote:
Where is Drazerk, if he's missing this I'll be a sad panda
He just went to sleep after a night of dota 2 and me shouting on every one despite me being the noob xD
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Did Thorzain not research stim? 111 is pretty weak without stim
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the first 1-1-1 had some marauders mixed in which makes it a lot scarier than the standard variation imo.
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On February 19 2012 12:07 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well
yeah, seriously, no small feat
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On February 19 2012 12:07 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well
Tzain waited WAY too long to press the choke after scouting a DT expo. The raven was up and he let HerO get a robo up and time to chrono an immortal before he actually chose to engage, with only 2 tanks he could have sped things up a bit.
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Is it me or does it always look like DOA doesn't wanna be where he is.
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HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
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On February 19 2012 12:10 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:07 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well
Tzain waited WAY too long to press the choke after scouting a DT expo. The raven was up and he let HerO get a robo up and time to chrono an immortal before he actually chose to engage, with only 2 tanks he could have sped things up a bit.
I don't think he could have pushed much more quickly. He didn't have Siege, and the push would have been much weaker without Siege.
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On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
LOL
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Very enjoyable games so far!
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On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
Best in the world wouldn't be stuck in Code A sorry.
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On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
I think he has the most potential out of all the top protoss players, but still has some work to do.
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On February 19 2012 12:16 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). Best in the world wouldn't be stuck in Code A sorry.
Although I don't think he's the best in the world, I do believe that his tournament performance doesn't reflect his skill very well. He is well-known to have a bad case of stage fright. Gets insanely nervous in big tournaments. He's doing so well in the IPLFC because there's no tournament-style pressure, and he can play to the best of his ability in a more comfortable environment.
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On February 19 2012 12:10 Mycl wrote:Did Thorzain not research stim? 111 is pretty weak without stim
yes he did actually, you missed him micro vs the zealots with stim?
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That micro from ThorZaIN, damn!
He made HerO waste all the FF's!
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WTF was Hero thinking? Worst engagement of all times?
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On February 19 2012 12:18 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:16 1Eris1 wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). Best in the world wouldn't be stuck in Code A sorry. Although I don't think he's the best in the world, I do believe that his tournament performance doesn't reflect his skill very well. He is well-known to have a bad case of stage fright. Gets insanely nervous in big tournaments. He's doing so well in the IPLFC because there's no tournament-style pressure, and he can play to the best of his ability in a more comfortable environment.
Well, they say MC is a beast in practice aswell.
At least he added IMO.
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On February 19 2012 12:21 werynais wrote:
WTF was Hero thinking? Worst engagement of all times?
Yeah if he was on 2 base it'd be a game ending mistake but he's definitely still ahead at this point.
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On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol....
Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too.
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So many emps
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Omg that micro was amazing!
ThorZaIN so good ! :D
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I predict HerO to win 5-3 next game in a 30 mins.
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On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too.
Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money.
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On February 19 2012 12:17 hugedong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I think he has the most potential out of all the top protoss players, but still has some work to do.
sorry, Parting holds that title right now.
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very good game ! those 2-2 really wrecked those zealots and stalkers so easy gj thorzain!! gogo!
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That was more a loss by Hero than a win by Thorzain.
Hero was quite cocky to push out while up a whole base to Thorzain who had more invested in his army, lol. (Altho the initial engagement was close...)
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On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO).
The best toss in the world should not have any problem against a foreigner terran, even though it's thorzain.
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On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money.
Hero's never won a game in Code S. I dont think he's ever reached Code S.
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Those EMPs were ridiculous. <3 Thorzain.
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On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money.
Because he hasn't been given the chance? He is without a doubt the best young talent in the world right now and just needs some more time to iron things out. If you haven't seen him in the MLG qualifiers go check em out.
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Nice read from Thorzain to go into the mass ghosts. I like how cool he seems to stay, he knew he had to do something to get back a lead, so he went for that semi-risky engagement, but he micro'd like a champ and won out, and he also started the super fast upgrades, definately won him that game.
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On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money.
Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club
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On February 19 2012 12:30 SolidZeal wrote:
Nice read from Thorzain to go into the mass ghosts. I like how cool he seems to stay, he knew he had to do something to get back a lead, so he went for that semi-risky engagement, but he micro'd like a champ and won out, and he also started the super fast upgrades, definately won him that game.
yea the timing was really good since once hero's 4th and his 2robo kick in he would have been in a lot of tourble
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On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club
+ Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals.
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On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals.
I'm comparing Parting to Hero, nothing more.
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On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals.
Because that matters? First of all, just because X>Y and Y>Z doesn't mean X>Z. And once again, I bring the question "Does it matter?" They're talking about Jjakji and only Jjakji.
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Is it just me or does HerO seem a little too aggressive ?
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On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals.
+ Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now.
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wow HerO is very agressive this game! and thorzain holding it very very good! Micro intensive games is awesome.
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Quote me, HerO's going to win in this game.
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On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now.
+ Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to.
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On February 19 2012 12:42 RezChi wrote:
Quote me, HerO's going to win in this game.
lol... who wouldn't think he's going to win. Better player, already up 4-3, vs a passive Terran. All he did was lose a few units.
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16 Vikings , way too many
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This is being played between Europe and Korea right? I'm seeing lots of odd micro mistakes uncharacteristic of both players throughout the series.
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Ghosts OP nerf them, oh wait ....
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On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to.
Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results.
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way 2 many ghosts and 15 vikings vs 1 colossus lol, hero is just trickling colossus in and forcing thorzain to get tons of vikings and air upgrades and waste supply.
thank fuck for that pf
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On February 19 2012 12:48 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to. Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results.
Don´t tell this to me, tell it to the guy, who said, that he would be.
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Protoss lategame
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GG
Very well played by HerO.
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Congrats HerO! Who can stop him?
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Meh still don't like how TvP lategame looks.
Good games anyway, goodnight guys!
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Hell yea! HerO! showing people whos boss!
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Nice1 HerO - Week 3 on top =)
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man those 2 storms saved Hero's day.
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congras Hero, great series.
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RezChi Canada. February 19 2012 12:27. Posts 1683 PM Profile Blog Quote Edit #
I predict HerO to win 5-3 next game in a 30 mins.
RezChi Canada. February 19 2012 12:42. Posts 1683 PM Profile Blog Quote Edit #
Quote me, HerO's going to win in this game.
FUCK YEAH
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Dear IPL,
please invite Polt,he have pretty good record against HerO.(NASL showmatch 4-1,IPL 4 qualifiers 2-0)
Thank you.
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5 - 3 Jjakji. 5 - 0 Dimaga. 5 - 3 ThorZaiN. I sense a pattern.
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Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week.
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great series, totally worth it to stay up! gg HerO
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On February 19 2012 12:48 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to. Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results.
except he's in code A?
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whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ThorZain, why do you never kill your opponent when you can? It's silly how good ThorZain would be if he just didn't turtle and let both of them max out when he has a ridicilous advantage. After crushing the 3 gate semi allin most GM terrans could've won that game 95 times out of 100, all he had to do was stimming forward and doing decent micro ._..
And the last game was not the only such game, shattered temple one aswell. If he had in fact won the games he should have this series would have been his.
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heh, thorzain could have won in the mid game and take the series to the final smackdown.
I feel dissapointed.
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HerO does so well in online matches. Just need to get over his nerves to get into Code S!
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On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week.
5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P?
Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible.
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On February 19 2012 12:48 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to. Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results.
He's code A and beat DRG to qualify for it. Hero has potential to be the best, but he obviously has nerves issues.
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On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to beat next week.
Hey there, saw you made a slight typo and decided to fix it for you.
In all seriousness, that was a very impressive game. HerO taking some heavy losses early on, but through safe macro play managing to keep in it. I think Thorzain could very well have won if he'd just dropped a little, though. One Medivac's worth of units in HerO's main, and he would have been forced to split up the famous Protoss deathball. Thorzain's play is incredibly strong against someone who is either very passive or recklessly aggressive, but it starts to fall apart against someone with play as flexible as HerO.
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On February 19 2012 12:57 lbmaian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week. 5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P? Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible.
It can be interesting!
MC vs JYP at HSCIV was pretty entertaining (at least Game 5 was) IMO
HerO!!
Why do you never do this well in GSL??? -.-
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On February 19 2012 12:57 elbooN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:48 xrapture wrote:On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to. Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results. He's code A and beat DRG to qualify for it. Hero has potential to be the best, but he obviously has nerves issues.
Don't think its fair to compare DRG's ZvP at that time to his ZvP now. DRG lost to players like gatored, JYP, hero and a few others around that period. Its in these past 2 recent months or so that he has really stepped up on his ZvP to bring it onto the same level as his ZvT.
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On February 19 2012 12:58 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:57 lbmaian wrote:On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week. 5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P? Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible. It can be interesting! MC vs JYP at HSCIV was pretty entertaining (at least Game 5 was) IMO HerO!! Why do you never do this well in GSL??? -.-
Because there are better players in GSL....
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On February 19 2012 12:59 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:58 Whatson wrote:On February 19 2012 12:57 lbmaian wrote:On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week. 5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P? Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible. It can be interesting! MC vs JYP at HSCIV was pretty entertaining (at least Game 5 was) IMO HerO!! Why do you never do this well in GSL??? -.- Because there are better players in GSL....
He did pretty well in GSL recently ;o
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On February 19 2012 13:01 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:59 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:58 Whatson wrote:On February 19 2012 12:57 lbmaian wrote:On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week. 5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P? Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible. It can be interesting! MC vs JYP at HSCIV was pretty entertaining (at least Game 5 was) IMO HerO!! Why do you never do this well in GSL??? -.- Because there are better players in GSL.... He did pretty well in GSL recently ;o
Well, a lot of people were saying stuff like "HerO's gonna win GSL in his first try and become the new Protoss President!"
Instead he dropped down into Code A, and barely retained his spot. Seems like HerO can only beast up the foreign scene.
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Gogo invite Stephano, he has a crazy ZvP record. Would be really cool to see them clash, and you already have a small storyline as they have met before.
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On February 19 2012 12:59 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:57 elbooN wrote:On February 19 2012 12:48 xrapture wrote:On February 19 2012 12:44 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 19 2012 12:34 Xoronius wrote:On February 19 2012 12:31 red4ce wrote:On February 19 2012 12:27 Acritter wrote:On February 19 2012 12:26 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:13 Strivers wrote:
HerO is the best protoss in the world (IMO). I know we should leave room for other opinions but this is just lol.... Get Parting to play against foreigners all the time and he will seem like the best player in the world too. Parting's never beaten a GSL champion in a televised Bo9 for money. Nope, he did better. 4-1 over Jjakji in code S > Hero's 5-3 win in Fight Club + Show Spoiler +And he lost 3-0 to DRG, who in reverse lost 2-0 to Genius, who is in the GSL semi-finals. + Show Spoiler +are you really holding it against Parting that he lost to DRG? Hero lost to July and it kept him from getting Code S Oh and Hero has a losing record vs DRG too.
I like Hero a lot, but come on, he is not a top protoss right now. + Show Spoiler + No, I hold nothing against parting, but this discussion seemed to evolve into a discussion, whether Hero or Parting is the world´s best Protoss, because both of them have beaten Jjakji. And I wanted to point out out, that there are other guys to consider, than just those to. Hero is 17-26 in Korean tlpd-- he shouldn't even be considered for best Protoss tbh. I doubt he's even in the to 10. He's a Code B foreign tourney Hero, like Puma. Now that Col signed 3 Koreans watch them do well in every foreign tourney they enter. Basically any Korean toss could have been signed in Hero's place for Liquid and had the same if not better results. He's code A and beat DRG to qualify for it. Hero has potential to be the best, but he obviously has nerves issues. Don't think its fair to compare DRG's ZvP at that time to his ZvP now. DRG lost to players like gatored, JYP, hero and a few others around that period. Its in these past 2 recent months or so that he has really stepped up on his ZvP to bring it onto the same level as his ZvT.
Well the Gatored loss is pretty bad, but don't forget he also beat TOP at the same tournament. Gatored played really well then and the Koreans were playing in NY, not exactly the closest place for jet lag.
JYP has very good PvZ, there's no shame in losing to him either.
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On February 19 2012 13:03 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 13:01 Dodgin wrote:On February 19 2012 12:59 poorcloud wrote:On February 19 2012 12:58 Whatson wrote:On February 19 2012 12:57 lbmaian wrote:On February 19 2012 12:53 Cham wrote:
Congrats HerO! I can't wait to see who he is going to play next week. 5-3 vs T and 5-0 vs Z? How about some vs P? Actually scratch that - bo9 PvP would be horrible. It can be interesting! MC vs JYP at HSCIV was pretty entertaining (at least Game 5 was) IMO HerO!! Why do you never do this well in GSL??? -.- Because there are better players in GSL.... He did pretty well in GSL recently ;o Well, a lot of people were saying stuff like "HerO's gonna win GSL in his first try and become the new Protoss President!" Instead he dropped down into Code A, and barely retained his spot. Seems like HerO can only beast up the foreign scene.
Obviously thats fanboism if anyone says any player is gonna win GSL first try. I dont think he made it into code S yet, so im not sure where youre getting the dropping down into code A thing from.
Hes been doing well in GSL the last 2 seasons, with last seasons being the best, missing out on Code S only in a PvP with JYP and only losing to July before that.
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Btw for people that are talking shit, HerO has missed code S like 3 times by 1 game. He lost 2-1 two times in the code A round before code s, and then he got in base pyloned out of the up and downs. If he doesn't get nervous he should easily be code S next season.
Edit: so if you think he is Code B you are more than wrong lol...
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I knew it's going to end at game 8, CatPajamas kinda spoiled it at the end of game 1 lol.
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send stephano to take on hero. anyone else liking this idea?
oh, and a great set of games once again. thx for the fight club, IGN!
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Congrats Hero on the win!
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congratz to hero! +1 on sending stephano next!!
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On February 19 2012 13:42 Black Gun wrote:
send stephano to take on hero. anyone else liking this idea?
oh, and a great set of games once again. thx for the fight club, IGN!
I think that would be awesome. Two unorthodox but solid players who are great at that particular matchup, emptying out their reserves of builds over the course of a Bo9. Only problem would be if Stephano has to go to bed...
Just kidding, I don't think Stephano will make that mistake again.
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HerO 3-0 in IPL FC. Great to be able to watch my favorite player of all time go at it in pro matches. Wonder who's his next opponent
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plz bring out The french tickler...
STEPHANO!
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Stephano is really a good choice to take down Hero, but I wonder in case he failed, which foreigner would be suitable?
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HERO NEEDS MORE OFFERINGS. Ah, so glad that he won against tzain... all the games I tuned into were losses. >.<
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I saw Stephano practice 4 really long drawn out games against HerO on his stream...each time HerO dominated him completely until he got more and more frustrated and finally stopped playing. I'd love to see a grudge match.
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One of the new Complexity pickups would be a good opponent to pick next. I wouldn't mind seeing Stephano either.
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Grats to HerO 3-0 impressive stuff, can't wait for the euro replay.
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Honestly I think the amount of players you can send at Hero is quite limited. I doubt that IPL will want to send a challenger of the same race as the last one, create a mirror matchup or ask a someone who has been there before. (Never happened / Happened only once, Kas-Ganzi / Never Happened).
Personally I feel that TvT can work (assuming you don't use 2 players that are known Mechers, that takes forever) as can ZvZ. Don't think that people would accept a BO9 PvP though.
Looking at what I said before you'd be looking at a Zerg that can realistically challenge Hero. If you'd want foreign zergs I feel that the list would start at Stephano and also have Ret and Sen on it. (Although Ret would make it a team kill). When looking at Koreans I feel that there also wouldn't be many that would give the possibility for a long interesting series.
Seems like IPL has a challenge in finding a good challenger.
On February 19 2012 16:00 ninjamyst wrote:
Idra next please.
Please don't. IdrA gets stomped by an unknown protoss in Code A. If you put him against Hero it'll be a quick 5-0. Considering IdrA's recent results it makes no difference at all whether you would invite Destiny, IdrA, Day9 or Artosis. None of them would be even remotely a challenge and only be done to hype in viewers.
On February 19 2012 15:53 0neder wrote:
VODs anywhere?
Not before the rebroadcast. Fell asleep during the last game.
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We will likely delay one week due to Assembly and MLG Arena. Both because of the competition and from the scheduling issues around everyone flying to one or the other event. But I will say I am extremely excited for our next player, who has recently been receiving a lot of attention.
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Ah of course, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the early notice on that.
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A rising star? Will it be Feast, Illusion or a Korean like Parting? I can't wait
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I would personally love to see Feast on a stage like this but I doubt that IPL would make it a PvP.
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On February 19 2012 16:38 Wroshe wrote:
I would personally love to see Feast on a stage like this but I doubt that IPL would make it a PvP.
We try to avoid mirror matches, but cycle the races shown as often as possible.
Normally what happens is for example if we have a PvT for that week we line up a Zerg to play whoever wins.
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On February 19 2012 16:47 ninjamyst wrote:
i bet it's Violet
That would make a lot of sense, can't believe I forgot him during my earlier list.
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On February 19 2012 16:00 Wroshe wrote:Not before the rebroadcast. Fell asleep during the last game.
That's not really true, you can already watch the games at http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/309019748, starts @ ~1hr10m
Epic games. I feel ThorZaiN should do more drops though, be more aggressive overall. I understand taking a win and falling back, but he does miss opportunities to punish HerO at times.
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nice series
sad thorzain didn't quite manage to win....
hope ipl chooses a real underdog for next week like TITAN or Snute or even Delphi who has shown great results lately (beating gumiho, hongun and check)
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My two favorite players!
Too bad i missed to watch it, any replays up?
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Congrats to Hero,
+ Show Spoiler +taking the prize home for Liquid in two different competitions
On February 19 2012 20:53 DVRandom wrote:
My two favorite players!
Too bad i missed to watch it, any replays up?
Link
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Polt is 6-1 against HerO.
Polt must be great choice for next week.
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On February 20 2012 00:05 dragonborn wrote:
Polt is 6-1 against HerO.
Polt must be great choice for next week.
It's a Zerg.
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gj both players! really good games!
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Stephano next week please, he will roll Hero :D
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On February 20 2012 00:05 dragonborn wrote:
Polt is 6-1 against HerO.
Polt must be great choice for next week.
Polt is a TvP master
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Everyone keeps saying that "X" player will roll Hero and he keeps proving them worng:D Go Hero!
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would love to see stephano :D, hero 5:0 steph
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On February 20 2012 01:06 cyclone25 wrote:
Stephano next week please, he will roll Hero :D
On February 20 2012 05:27 Kompicek wrote:
would love to see stephano :D, hero 5:0 steph
Sorry but you are both wrong ;:<
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On February 20 2012 06:47 Sea_aeS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 01:06 cyclone25 wrote:
Stephano next week please, he will roll Hero :D Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:27 Kompicek wrote:
would love to see stephano :D, hero 5:0 steph Sorry but you are both wrong ;:<
I think Stephano might have an edge against Hero, mostly cause he just hasnt lost to protoss in ages (except the game against MC at HSC4), and having a 70+% ratio against toss. But Hero really has a sick PvZ so dont know really.
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On February 20 2012 07:06 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 06:47 Sea_aeS wrote:On February 20 2012 01:06 cyclone25 wrote:
Stephano next week please, he will roll Hero :D On February 20 2012 05:27 Kompicek wrote:
would love to see stephano :D, hero 5:0 steph Sorry but you are both wrong ;:< I think Stephano might have an edge against Hero, mostly cause he just hasnt lost to protoss in ages (except the game against MC at HSC4), and having a 70+% ratio against toss. But Hero really has a sick PvZ so dont know really.
but in general, should be a kickass series
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Would rather have Stephano than DRG. Being a Zerg, I can't imagine IPL picking up anyone else this time as they tend to increase the level of opponents when they can. Maybe viOlet since he's been on a tear lately and is fairly accessible.
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Well, the more HerO wins, the higher the bounty on his head will be. This shall interest more good players as time goes on.
Loved the games, and I'm glad HerO won. Although he might want to emply more deathballs, too.
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I'd like a zerg next, preferably non-korean. I love Heros pvz. Stephano, nerchio, sen, ret, sheth?
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On February 22 2012 06:25 IGNProLeague wrote:The YouTube playlist for this series is now up: HerO vs ThorZaIN bo9
I just noticed that the HerO vs Dimaga VOD is not showing the correct game on game 5, but rather a repetition of game 1.
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