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On February 08 2012 19:32 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:26 Tsubbi wrote:
wouldnt cloaked banshee followup after cc first or 1 rax cc kill this build? protoss wouldn't even be able to scout that Nope. That would be an automatic loss because with 3 nexus even if he lost ~20 probes he will have the observer out and just chrono x3 nexus and still be at an advantage. The sad part is most people don't even realize that jjakji and other Terrans have to do ridiculous stuff like 15CC to even attempt a macro game, and then protoss simply takes a third nexus and is ahead and can STILL kill you with an attack...it's crazy to think anyone thinks this is normal for RTS. You should never be able to expand + straight up KILL your opponent when they have 3-5 bunkers up but protoss can do it... Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Glad to see a common sense post from another pro here. No one is really willing to talk about balance at all (let alone in a live report thread) but if people do not see that it's insanely stupid for a protoss to be able to 2 base forcefield all-in z/p and still have their expo behind it in 0 danger...it's a bit crazy... And yes people, it's insanely easy to do, even NA mid-masters protoss can execute this stuff.
Because NA mid masters players win GSL's. They can expand because you went CC first. You can't go CC and then whine than you have no pressure options.
Regardless, your the guy who was balance whining about Protoss (and everything else ever in all matchups) back when Protoss couldn't actually win vs Terran so your opinion is worthless.
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On February 08 2012 19:31 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:30 TheHova wrote:
Protoss actually start winning, getting past the Ro16 in GSL. And in comes all the whine again. It's like they're not allowed to win. Protoss can only win thanks to imbalance (that magically pops up as they win) while they can only loose because of their lack in skill. Sad but true, but Terran out of all races QQing has to be the funniest shit ever :D It's loosers pick right? inb4 mc choosing tal'darim if he has to...
Yes this is really sad to see actually. We've only had 1 Protoss GSL champion, let alone a Protoss in the finals and those were both ages ago. The top Terran and Zerg players are still doing fine and there's finally some balance coming back and protoss getting past the Ro32 and a wave of whine is coming up.
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Anyone tried Hot6 and is it sold in the US?
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On February 08 2012 19:33 Noktix wrote:
I really don't get it.
I really, really don't.
Does Protoss have to lose 95% of their games for people to be happy with the race? Seriously, if Protoss has even a shred of success, it's like the end of the world.
I think when people lose to Protoss they feel helpless or something. Nevermind the fact that it's arguably the least successful race in the entirety of SC2. Can't even allow Protoss to advance from a group without them being completely imbalanced.
Just amazing.
Indeed. Apparently Protoss winning in GSL is just blasphemy.
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On February 08 2012 19:33 Medrea wrote:
Its like Im going crazy. Did everyone forget that cloaked banshees are stealthed and 3 nexus and 8 gates have no observer??
Terran should be untouchable to that attack
So blind banshees is the answer?
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Shuffleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it You have to love balance whiners. First day anyone does this build and already people are crying already. Perhaps wait until the mass of world class Korean Terran's have some time to figure out how to play vs this. People said the same shit about 1-1-1, Protoss deathball vs Zerg, Mutalisks vs Protoss and countless other stuff and it was all figured out despite a bunch whiners crying imbalance. Please tell me which other Protoss are successful doing this? A Protoss hasn't won a GSL in 11 months. You understand who you're labeling a 'balance whiner' right?
So? If a pro player balance whining its not a balance whiner?
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On February 08 2012 19:30 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it As people have mentioned before, the build Parting used specifically countered the 15 cc because Jjakji can't pressure when Parting is on ONE GATE and 3 bases with 7 gates building because he has late medivacs. Thats right, 1 gate on 3 bases. So many builds could punish that. Parting's build worked so well because of the fact Jjakji cannot pressure at that time, and then he can just go crush him with his eco/production advantage. Pretty simple really, I'm surprised someone who understands the game on a 'deep' level like yourself can't see this. Considering your past as a Terran only player your comments are also incredibly ironic.
You fail to see that jjakji is doing this build as a counter to 15 nexus because of how damn strong 15 nexus is. He is going 15 CC to attempt to even stay even with protoss in a macro game. If he doesn't and parting goes 15 nexus he's behind from pure build order.
Also, you fail to see that even if jjakji did do a normal 1 rax expo...protoss can still do virtually the same build, or the 2.5 base version and the same thing will occur because Terran will just have their expo later anyways....
You do not understand this at any level obviously.
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On February 08 2012 19:34 TheBB wrote:
해븅, was that it?
해병. lit: sea soldier
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Pyre wrote:
Anyone tried Hot6 and is it sold in the US?
It's only available in korea, afaik.
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On February 08 2012 19:33 Noktix wrote:
I really don't get it.
I really, really don't.
Does Protoss have to lose 95% of their games for people to be happy with the race? Seriously, if Protoss has even a shred of success, it's like the end of the world.
I think when people lose to Protoss they feel helpless or something. Nevermind the fact that it's arguably the least successful race in the entirety of SC2. Can't even allow Protoss to advance from a group without them being completely imbalanced.
Just amazing.
That's better.
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i wonder who does MC practice with aside from ladder
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Shuffleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it You have to love balance whiners. First day anyone does this build and already people are crying already. Perhaps wait until the mass of world class Korean Terran's have some time to figure out how to play vs this. People said the same shit about 1-1-1, Protoss deathball vs Zerg, Mutalisks vs Protoss and countless other stuff and it was all figured out despite a bunch whiners crying imbalance. Please tell me which other Protoss are successful doing this? A Protoss hasn't won a GSL in 11 months. You understand who you're labeling a 'balance whiner' right?
Just because he plays professionally doesnt mean all his balance whine is correct. Yes, hes extremely good, but so is IdrA, and he, along with many other pros, balance whine. Nothing wrong with it IMO but it doesnt mean its correct.
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On February 08 2012 19:32 vOkk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it I was thinking the same when you were playing versus IdrA at IEM Final.
Just look at this, terran make 5 rax reaper press R R R R R and he can just go kill zerg. stop talking about balance or abusive play, because you were the guys abusing it at IEM. Thanks This build is new, let the time to the terrans to adapt to it, he had 1 gate 3 nexus, just go fucking punish him.
this was patched out of the game for that reason.
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On February 08 2012 19:30 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it As people have mentioned before, the build Parting used specifically countered the 15 cc because Jjakji can't pressure when Parting is on ONE GATE and 3 bases with 7 gates building because he has late medivacs. Thats right, 1 gate on 3 bases. So many builds could punish that. Parting's build worked so well because of the fact Jjakji cannot pressure at that time, and then he can just go crush him with his eco/production advantage. Pretty simple really, I'm surprised someone who understands the game on a 'deep' level like yourself can't see this. Considering your past as a Terran only player your comments are also incredibly ironic.
The problem is.. You dont understand terran builds. Whether you go command center first or 1 rax expo is almost irrelevant. Command center first gives you an 2 scv advantage some point into the game. Medivac tech timing is the same.
ANyway if oyu have haven't noticed. A lot of toss players to this build against terrans on daybreak.
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Pyre wrote:
Anyone tried Hot6 and is it sold in the US?
It's easy to try Hot6, just find a good looking girl and get her number. 
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fuck, im even excited for the pvp.
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On February 08 2012 19:32 vOkk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it I was thinking the same when you were playing versus IdrA at IEM Final. Just look at this, terran make 5 rax reaper press R R R R R and he can just go kill zerg. stop talking about balance or abusive play, because you were the guys abusing it at IEM. Thanks This build is new, let the time to the terrans to adapt to it, he had 1 gate 3 nexus, just go fucking punish him.
Morrow was like the first person to admit that the 5rax reaper was imbalanced. Infact dimaga showed it to morrow so that he'd use it on a finals stage so it would get nerfed asap.
Please understand the context of situations before you use them in arguments.
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"MC's glasses are better."
Get the fuck out.
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On February 08 2012 19:35 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:33 Medrea wrote:
Its like Im going crazy. Did everyone forget that cloaked banshees are stealthed and 3 nexus and 8 gates have no observer??
Terran should be untouchable to that attack So blind banshees is the answer?
Its not blind? You really think protoss can hide all that shit from terran??
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