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On February 08 2012 19:34 Shuffleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it You have to love balance whiners. First day anyone does this build and already people are crying already. Perhaps wait until the mass of world class Korean Terran's have some time to figure out how to play vs this. People said the same shit about 1-1-1, Protoss deathball vs Zerg, Mutalisks vs Protoss and countless other stuff and it was all figured out despite a bunch whiners crying imbalance. Please tell me which other Protoss are successful doing this? A Protoss hasn't won a GSL in 11 months. You understand who you're labeling a 'balance whiner' right?
I agree, it's ironic that guy who recorded his sole tournament win in this game using a clearly imbalanced strat would whine about the balance of a strategy that we just saw for the first time today.
Pro's balance whine worse than anyone, just look at Idra who still thinks ZvP is Protoss favoured despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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On February 08 2012 19:32 Solo Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:27 Noktix wrote:
God this thread is painful to read.
You mean to tell me if i take 3 Nexus off 1 gate and it goes unpunished i can make a powerful push after?! What is this madness?!?! Try going 3 CC's off of 1 rax and then hitting a timing that quickly against toss. You would need to build several barracks and then wait for a factory + wait for a starport + macro up an army + walk across the map. Protoss doesn't need medivacs then they can just warp in across the map no problem. This match up is really protoss favoured atm no way to deny it.
This! Lots of protosses dont understand the game.
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Lol! Good old Nestea jokes! :D
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just shut up about the balance whine and countering there of, just enjoy the games
we haven't seen enough games for anything yet, maybe somebody is gonna pop up with a new bisu build or fantasy build or skt terran build (yeah, i love skt) and it's just gonna blow everyone's mind until it's figured out better or just countered completly at which point it won't be played anymore
maybe terrans will have to have 2 high ground tanks and one behind the cc, mannering their scvs at the 8:56 mark to hold of that exact rush
just let the players figure something out and let us enjoy this magical cycle. please.
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I think the problem with the TvP match up as of now is that it is so BO-centric and coinflippy. The advantage just snowballs so quickly into one of the sides favor, displayed in the series we just saw.
Game 1 Parting gets his 3rd safely, wins.
Game 2 Jjakji gets a sick BO counter, destroys Parting
Game 3 Parting takes a 3rd and protosses.
TvP, the art of playing as greedy as possible without dying.
<3
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On February 08 2012 19:32 Sarang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:30 TheHova wrote:
Protoss actually start winning, getting past the Ro16 in GSL. And in comes all the whine again. It's like they're not allowed to win. To be fair, it did -look- very imbalanced. Not saying it was, and hell I was cheering for PartinG and am glad he won, but macro'ing to three bases and attacking a defensive 2base terran and tearing him apart just looks imba.
That build only really works against 1 build and on a very large map like Daybreak. He knew what Jjakji was going to do and hard countered it because he does it everytime. I wouldn't really say that is imbalanced, there's a huge timing window where he has more bases than units for a long time.
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Nice, 4 gates inc! 
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On February 08 2012 19:33 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Name of this song please?
The one with the female singer? It was He is We - Happily Ever After
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On February 08 2012 19:36 Fionn wrote:
"MC's glasses are better."
Get the fuck out.
ROFL. Gogog MC, we all know you're the true BossToss.
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On February 08 2012 19:33 Noktix wrote:
I think when people lose to Protoss they feel helpless or something. Nevermind the fact that it's arguably the least successful race in the entirety of SC2.
I think internationally Zerg was the most unsucessful race until Stephano appeared, while HuK and Naniwa won quite some last year.
But yea, talking about the Korean scene you are right, there was hardly any Code S season for Protoss to shine, maybe the last patch helped them out now.
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an object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by the outside force that is MC's ALL IN TIMINGS!!
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On February 08 2012 19:29 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:28 Inflicted_ wrote:On February 08 2012 19:27 eYeball wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it But if Jjakji scouted the fast third he could punish him and maybe win the game outright? I wonder how it would've went if he went for a drop @ the 3rd during the push, which would've made it 2base vs 2base but Terran has a stronger army. Yeah that maybe could work as well. Don't know why people are so butthurt that Jjakji lost, if he had better scouting or maybe patrolling/hiding scv at third coming in at certains timings he would had saw that or a scan w/e.
He scouted the third. He denied some warp in pylons and saw the push coming. Think you are trolling.
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:32 avilo wrote:On February 08 2012 19:26 Tsubbi wrote:
wouldnt cloaked banshee followup after cc first or 1 rax cc kill this build? protoss wouldn't even be able to scout that Nope. That would be an automatic loss because with 3 nexus even if he lost ~20 probes he will have the observer out and just chrono x3 nexus and still be at an advantage. The sad part is most people don't even realize that jjakji and other Terrans have to do ridiculous stuff like 15CC to even attempt a macro game, and then protoss simply takes a third nexus and is ahead and can STILL kill you with an attack...it's crazy to think anyone thinks this is normal for RTS. You should never be able to expand + straight up KILL your opponent when they have 3-5 bunkers up but protoss can do it... On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Glad to see a common sense post from another pro here. No one is really willing to talk about balance at all (let alone in a live report thread) but if people do not see that it's insanely stupid for a protoss to be able to 2 base forcefield all-in z/p and still have their expo behind it in 0 danger...it's a bit crazy... And yes people, it's insanely easy to do, even NA mid-masters protoss can execute this stuff. Because NA mid masters players win GSL's. They can expand because you went CC first. You can't go CC and then whine than you have no pressure options. Regardless, your the guy who was balance whining about Protoss (and everything else ever in all matchups) back when Protoss couldn't actually win vs Terran so your opinion is worthless.
There is a problem when you can expo AND kill your opponent at the same time. That is not just a SC concept, it's an RTS design concept that allows a game to be balanced. If you're able to freely expo + have the possibility of KILLING your opponent even when they are also 2 base AND massed base defenses...something is wrong.
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On February 08 2012 19:36 Shuffleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:32 vOkk wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it I was thinking the same when you were playing versus IdrA at IEM Final. Just look at this, terran make 5 rax reaper press R R R R R and he can just go kill zerg. stop talking about balance or abusive play, because you were the guys abusing it at IEM. Thanks This build is new, let the time to the terrans to adapt to it, he had 1 gate 3 nexus, just go fucking punish him. Morrow was like the first person to admit that the 5rax reaper was imbalanced. Infact dimaga showed it to morrow so that he'd use it on a finals stage so it would get nerfed asap.Please understand the context of situations before you use them in arguments.
@Morrow: confirmation please? :o
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On February 08 2012 19:34 Shuffleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:25 MorroW wrote:
just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it You have to love balance whiners. First day anyone does this build and already people are crying already. Perhaps wait until the mass of world class Korean Terran's have some time to figure out how to play vs this. People said the same shit about 1-1-1, Protoss deathball vs Zerg, Mutalisks vs Protoss and countless other stuff and it was all figured out despite a bunch whiners crying imbalance. Please tell me which other Protoss are successful doing this? A Protoss hasn't won a GSL in 11 months. You understand who you're labeling a 'balance whiner' right?
Because's pro's have never unreasonably whined? Lol just look at Idra to prove you wrong.
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Thanks for reminding me why I usually don't follow these threads when a protoss plays T.T
Terran should just look at their own marauder/medivac/mule etc. before bitching about balance.
Also thanks MorroW, you know people actually think your opinion is totally true because you are a pro, atleast keep the QQing up so people won't take it serious in the future like idras whinning.
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