On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote: Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.
Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches
Yet Toss players still BM Terrans that do early game strats on ladder all day.
On February 02 2012 20:02 CaptainTwig wrote: Why does the coach always talk to mma? :/
I think he may be MMA's personal coach. SlayersJessica was saying way back that she intended to innovate by getting personal coaches for key players. Innovate in e-sports obviously; normal sports have those already.
What?
In game 1 when Puzzle lost, the coach was in Puzzle's booth. I have no idea what Tastosis was even talking about
On February 02 2012 20:01 Meovin- wrote: This looks like my PvT in ladder, have to kill five terran army's before you finally win, lose one battle and you're out. Well played by Puzzle
The interesting thing is that colossi/archon/ht/stalker actually can kill 5 terran armies.
The reverse can also be said for MMM/ghost/viking
i dont think so...wasnt that what mma just used?
Puzzle consistanly stormed/sniped mmas vikings, his colossus had free range because of it and he won clearly, he used 0 storms in the 2 big battles only getting them off in between fights on vikings and at the end. Puzzle outcontrolled mma
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote: This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants
Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game
Positioning becomes much more important in the late-game mass deathball battles. MMA had some suspect positioning IMO...
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote: This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants
Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game
Positioning becomes much more important in the late-game mass deathball battles. MMA had some suspect positioning IMO...
Spot on, he made a really odd decision to attack right then and there, and he ultimately got crushed
On February 02 2012 20:02 CaptainTwig wrote: Why does the coach always talk to mma? :/
I think he may be MMA's personal coach. SlayersJessica was saying way back that she intended to innovate by getting personal coaches for key players. Innovate in e-sports obviously; normal sports have those already.
What?
In game 1 when Puzzle lost, the coach was in Puzzle's booth. I have no idea what Tastosis was even talking about
also after game2, the coach went into Puzzle's booth after he talked to MMA
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
wat
ROFL what...second best terran in POLT?! Somebody's been reading too much Waxangel..
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote: Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.
Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches
Yet Toss players still BM Terrans that do early game strats on ladder all day.
Just saying
Pointing out that there is BM on ladder is useless in any form of discussion.
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote: This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants
Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game
every protoss says this but just doesn't get it. at least the matchup is reasonably balanced before late game, and since few games by percentage go to late game the matchup isn't a total train wreck in terms of balance.
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