• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:09
CEST 13:09
KST 20:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes172BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion StarCraft Stellar Forces had bad maps Starcraft: Destruction expansion pack?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1884 users

[GSL] 2012 Season 1 Code S Ro16 Group B - Page 84

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 82 83 84 85 86 159 Next
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1661
On February 02 2012 20:02 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:01 Meovin- wrote:
This looks like my PvT in ladder, have to kill five terran army's before you finally win, lose one battle and you're out. Well played by Puzzle

The interesting thing is that colossi/archon/ht/stalker actually can kill 5 terran armies.

And another interesting thing is that, WG tech makes what he said complete and utter bullshit, Puzzle could've crushed through after he won any of the battles, terran can only win the game in 1 out of the many outcomes in late game TvP battles: when he destroys the protoss army by a large margin, in any other situation the protoss can easily defend because of 20+ WG instantly remaking the lost army, or crush the terran army in case of a draw/minor win for the same reason.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1662
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches

Late game TvP is NOT 50/50.

Late game TvP is 'you will trade armies evenly MAYBE, then he warps in 100 supply instantly'.

Eitherway, whenever one side gets an advantage in TvP it just snowballs way too hard, its annoying.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1663
mma has this easily, after all this is crossfire

would actually like to see one pvp today
bisu
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1664
i always have to think of half life deathmatch when i hear crossfire. man that was one hell of a good map. so much fun ♥
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
SpicyCheese
Profile Joined February 2012
United States39 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1665
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...
Sup
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1666
On February 02 2012 20:05 MegaFonzie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote:
This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants


Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game

Its winnable for terran, but the odds are against them and they have to get/force engagements that are beneficial to them.

Much of this comes from protoss army having the perfect mineral and gas dumps (zealot/archon), whereas terran is always floating a ton of gas. Its simply impossible for terran to stay equally effective production-wise.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1667
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.


....Come on now, get real for a second >_>
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1668
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.


In which universe? Polt isn't even in code s...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1669
Repeat game 2 of Puzzle vs Supernova Inc. Lets see if MMA can hold it better :x
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1670
Wrong Artosis. I've played VI more than you.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1671
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.


Yeah, right...
I've got moves like Jagger
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1672
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.

Freewin that lasted like half an hour and he could have lost at anytime...guess you really got no clue what a free win is...and I am not even protoss so don't go fanboy on me!
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1673
On February 02 2012 20:03 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:02 Fishgle wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:01 avilo wrote:
Ah, and MMA screws up the avilo BC ghost transition by actually attacking ... x_X


did you copyright that?


yes avilo BC ghost lategame transition™


MMA started to do it, then he attacked ... not supposed to attack with your army in stalemate situation. You just turtle and bank money because protoss is doing the same and they have warp-in. He also should have triple/quadruple nuke silo'd that game.



Man this is very interesting, ive tried going BC/Ghost late game vs toss. but they would just rape my face with anything they wanted really. i wasnt turtling hard enough, looks like PF's are the unsung heroes of the late game! thanks for this, gunna watch after GSL done, and will now be going to the late game vs toss with a plan!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Hofo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1674
On February 02 2012 20:08 VirGin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Hofo wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches


Yet Toss players still BM Terrans that do early game strats on ladder all day.

Just saying


Pointing out that there is BM on ladder is useless in any form of discussion.


Fair enough... though I must say I've seen plenty of the same types of comments on these forums as well...

Although I guess the same could be said about these forums at times as well too..
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1675
GSL Ro16 Group B
Match 3 Game 3
SlayerS_Puzzle vs SlayerS_MMA
Crossfire SE 1.1


0:00
Puzzle spawns P1
MMA spawns T7

MMA opens 1 rax marauders expansion
Puzzle takes both gases, standard opening
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:10:20
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1676
On February 02 2012 20:07 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.

lol...

Why are you laughing? You know how many foreigners polt's beaten recently? Ignorant americans need to start watching weekly eu cups.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1677
On February 02 2012 20:09 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...

somebody read too deeply into this preview...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1678
On February 02 2012 20:09 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...

The past two GSLs?
Pretty sure this Jjakji guy won one
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1679
I beat ff8 3 times and I thought that was a lot :O
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1680
On February 02 2012 20:09 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.


In which universe? Polt isn't even in code s...

MVP isnt even in code S.
Prev 1 82 83 84 85 86 159 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
2v2 #2
WardiTV88
Liquipedia
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 2: Grand Final
Classic vs ZounLIVE!
Tasteless3393
Crank 1110
IndyStarCraft 249
Rex95
3DClanTV 80
CranKy Ducklings67
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
08:00
Day 2 - Play Off & Finals Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 3721
Crank 1110
IndyStarCraft 249
Rex 88
ProTech80
MindelVK 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 5922
Hyuk 5487
Britney 4864
Horang2 2325
Sea 1926
PianO 1556
Flash 1495
BeSt 848
Leta 524
Larva 506
[ Show more ]
Last 193
Hyun 170
ggaemo 145
Soulkey 123
Mong 113
sorry 110
Rush 100
ZZZero.O 91
yabsab 65
Backho 35
ToSsGirL 31
Free 29
Sexy 22
scan(afreeca) 17
Yoon 15
Hm[arnc] 11
IntoTheRainbow 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Icarus 7
Sea.KH 4
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1214
Fuzer 250
Counter-Strike
x6flipin460
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor297
Other Games
singsing2632
B2W.Neo417
Pyrionflax342
Mew2King92
NeuroSwarm82
SortOf78
DeMusliM1
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 998
CasterMuse 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 45
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2691
• lizZardDota2211
League of Legends
• Jankos1520
Other Games
• WagamamaTV197
Upcoming Events
Online Event
4h 51m
Afreeca Starleague
22h 51m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
23h 51m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 4h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 22h
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-18
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.