On February 02 2012 20:01 Meovin- wrote: This looks like my PvT in ladder, have to kill five terran army's before you finally win, lose one battle and you're out. Well played by Puzzle
The interesting thing is that colossi/archon/ht/stalker actually can kill 5 terran armies.
And another interesting thing is that, WG tech makes what he said complete and utter bullshit, Puzzle could've crushed through after he won any of the battles, terran can only win the game in 1 out of the many outcomes in late game TvP battles: when he destroys the protoss army by a large margin, in any other situation the protoss can easily defend because of 20+ WG instantly remaking the lost army, or crush the terran army in case of a draw/minor win for the same reason.
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote: Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.
Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches
Late game TvP is NOT 50/50.
Late game TvP is 'you will trade armies evenly MAYBE, then he warps in 100 supply instantly'.
Eitherway, whenever one side gets an advantage in TvP it just snowballs way too hard, its annoying.
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.
Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote: This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants
Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game
Its winnable for terran, but the odds are against them and they have to get/force engagements that are beneficial to them.
Much of this comes from protoss army having the perfect mineral and gas dumps (zealot/archon), whereas terran is always floating a ton of gas. Its simply impossible for terran to stay equally effective production-wise.
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote: poor puzzle might get beaten by the map
He just got a freewin because of a map.
Freewin that lasted like half an hour and he could have lost at anytime...guess you really got no clue what a free win is...and I am not even protoss so don't go fanboy on me!
On February 02 2012 20:01 avilo wrote: Ah, and MMA screws up the avilo BC ghost transition by actually attacking ... x_X
did you copyright that?
yes avilo BC ghost lategame transition™
MMA started to do it, then he attacked ... not supposed to attack with your army in stalemate situation. You just turtle and bank money because protoss is doing the same and they have warp-in. He also should have triple/quadruple nuke silo'd that game.
Man this is very interesting, ive tried going BC/Ghost late game vs toss. but they would just rape my face with anything they wanted really. i wasnt turtling hard enough, looks like PF's are the unsung heroes of the late game! thanks for this, gunna watch after GSL done, and will now be going to the late game vs toss with a plan!
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote: Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.
Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches
Yet Toss players still BM Terrans that do early game strats on ladder all day.
Just saying
Pointing out that there is BM on ladder is useless in any form of discussion.
Fair enough... though I must say I've seen plenty of the same types of comments on these forums as well...
Although I guess the same could be said about these forums at times as well too..
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
lol...
Why are you laughing? You know how many foreigners polt's beaten recently? Ignorant americans need to start watching weekly eu cups.
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.
Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.
Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...
The past two GSLs? Pretty sure this Jjakji guy won one
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote: lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes
So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.
Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.
Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.
EPT
