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R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1661
On February 02 2012 20:02 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:01 Meovin- wrote:
This looks like my PvT in ladder, have to kill five terran army's before you finally win, lose one battle and you're out. Well played by Puzzle

The interesting thing is that colossi/archon/ht/stalker actually can kill 5 terran armies.

And another interesting thing is that, WG tech makes what he said complete and utter bullshit, Puzzle could've crushed through after he won any of the battles, terran can only win the game in 1 out of the many outcomes in late game TvP battles: when he destroys the protoss army by a large margin, in any other situation the protoss can easily defend because of 20+ WG instantly remaking the lost army, or crush the terran army in case of a draw/minor win for the same reason.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1662
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches

Late game TvP is NOT 50/50.

Late game TvP is 'you will trade armies evenly MAYBE, then he warps in 100 supply instantly'.

Eitherway, whenever one side gets an advantage in TvP it just snowballs way too hard, its annoying.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
February 02 2012 11:08 GMT
#1663
mma has this easily, after all this is crossfire

would actually like to see one pvp today
bisu
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1664
i always have to think of half life deathmatch when i hear crossfire. man that was one hell of a good map. so much fun ♥
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
SpicyCheese
Profile Joined February 2012
United States39 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1665
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...
Sup
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1666
On February 02 2012 20:05 MegaFonzie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:04 Fubi wrote:
This is why Terran has to win before it gets to late game, it's like so impossible once Protoss gets max'd out with the composition he wants


Nah, it really isn't. I wont dispute in a head to head fight the terran player requires more micro, but it is still perfectly winnable for either party in the late game

Its winnable for terran, but the odds are against them and they have to get/force engagements that are beneficial to them.

Much of this comes from protoss army having the perfect mineral and gas dumps (zealot/archon), whereas terran is always floating a ton of gas. Its simply impossible for terran to stay equally effective production-wise.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1667
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
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On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.


....Come on now, get real for a second >_>
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1668
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.


In which universe? Polt isn't even in code s...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1669
Repeat game 2 of Puzzle vs Supernova Inc. Lets see if MMA can hold it better :x
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1670
Wrong Artosis. I've played VI more than you.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1671
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.


Yeah, right...
I've got moves like Jagger
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1672
On February 02 2012 20:08 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 Darkthorn wrote:
poor puzzle might get beaten by the map

He just got a freewin because of a map.

Freewin that lasted like half an hour and he could have lost at anytime...guess you really got no clue what a free win is...and I am not even protoss so don't go fanboy on me!
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1673
On February 02 2012 20:03 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:02 Fishgle wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:01 avilo wrote:
Ah, and MMA screws up the avilo BC ghost transition by actually attacking ... x_X


did you copyright that?


yes avilo BC ghost lategame transition™


MMA started to do it, then he attacked ... not supposed to attack with your army in stalemate situation. You just turtle and bank money because protoss is doing the same and they have warp-in. He also should have triple/quadruple nuke silo'd that game.



Man this is very interesting, ive tried going BC/Ghost late game vs toss. but they would just rape my face with anything they wanted really. i wasnt turtling hard enough, looks like PF's are the unsung heroes of the late game! thanks for this, gunna watch after GSL done, and will now be going to the late game vs toss with a plan!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Hofo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1674
On February 02 2012 20:08 VirGin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Hofo wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches


Yet Toss players still BM Terrans that do early game strats on ladder all day.

Just saying


Pointing out that there is BM on ladder is useless in any form of discussion.


Fair enough... though I must say I've seen plenty of the same types of comments on these forums as well...

Although I guess the same could be said about these forums at times as well too..
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1675
GSL Ro16 Group B
Match 3 Game 3
SlayerS_Puzzle vs SlayerS_MMA
Crossfire SE 1.1


0:00
Puzzle spawns P1
MMA spawns T7

MMA opens 1 rax marauders expansion
Puzzle takes both gases, standard opening
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:10:20
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1676
On February 02 2012 20:07 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.

lol...

Why are you laughing? You know how many foreigners polt's beaten recently? Ignorant americans need to start watching weekly eu cups.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#1677
On February 02 2012 20:09 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...

somebody read too deeply into this preview...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1678
On February 02 2012 20:09 SpicyCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...

The past two GSLs?
Pretty sure this Jjakji guy won one
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1679
I beat ff8 3 times and I thought that was a lot :O
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#1680
On February 02 2012 20:09 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.


In which universe? Polt isn't even in code s...

MVP isnt even in code S.
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