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On February 02 2012 18:41 bbQ4Aiur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:39 Sub40APM wrote:On February 02 2012 18:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
archons are so bad against ghost > <
wp by mma need burrowed charge for them too. i lol'ed haha
man... imagine a burrow charging archon. that would be so cool. They can headbutt with ultras
Btw, in a straight up, full upgraded archon vs full upgraded ultra 1 on 1... who wins?
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Artosis do you like Hot Six? LOL Sounded so much like he said "hot sex" , I guess I am the only one who thought this was funny :-P, gogo Oz!!
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On February 02 2012 18:42 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:41 Pandemona wrote:
OOOO My favorite map :D /bow blizzard for making a good map :D Forced cross spawn in GSL, though.
Why did Oz scout the bottom right then?
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On February 02 2012 18:40 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:38 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:36 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 02 2012 18:34 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:32 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:28 noddy wrote:On February 02 2012 18:25 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:23 Corrosive wrote:On February 02 2012 18:22 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:20 StyLeD wrote:
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The micro after the build was difficult though. Uhh? Even I could do that. Actually, to do that, you have to be good at the game No, microing stalkers against marines/SCVs which are slower and take about 25 shots to kill a stalker when the marine count is about equal is no different than stutter stepping. And I suppose I am good at the game (high masters on NA, had a high enough MMR to play against a 900+ KR on my trial account and win before time ran out), maybe not at the level of these Koreans Code S players, but that kind of micro wasn't "OMG AMAZING". "maybe"? You're far inferior to Code S players. Honestly high masters on NA is nothing, don't downplay incredibly good play to try and look good. No, it's because I'm good that I recognize that game was won strictly on builds. Even if I'm 'far inferior' to Code S players, it's been proven that 'High master NA' players can take games off Code S Koreans (cough gowser vs Polt 2-1). For the record I did beat MVPTails on ladder at least, so what about you? The micro was not as amazing as people make it seem like. He was stutter stepping and running them back when they were hurt, I realize you lower league players can't handle things like that even though the units take 20+ hits to kill but stop making it seem mind-blowing and amazing. 3 Marines vs 2 Stalkers is nothing crazy, even with 6 SCVs considering Stalkers are faster. Since you're so gosu, go take Oz's place right now and play for him. It's not like he was only worrying about microing at that point lol. I don't understand the way people are responding to what this guy said...he's just saying what Oz did wasn't that hard...>_> It was just stalkers out microing those units that they always outmicro. I saw masters league streamers do comparable micro to that. Just becuase it looked cool doesn't mean it was really hard to do necessarily. I'm not saying it was ridiculously great micro lol plenty of masters and GMs can do that kind of stuff. I just think until you're the one in the booth playing for a bigass prize against the best players in the world, you shouldn't compare yourself to them. my 2 cents. Mega's post nailed it. Another issue is how biased the TL forums are. Game #2 was much more entertaining, but because a protoss favorite player lost, Game #1 still is voted as being more recommended. That early aggression play was a build order win. How is that more impressive than a late game where macro/micro is much more important in determining who wins?
lol I'm an MMA fan first (you can check the fanclub pages or any LRs of his games if you really care that much...) people have fan favorites?
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On February 02 2012 18:41 cablesc wrote:
I'm smelling Thor rush. Don't quote me though unless I'm right.
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On February 02 2012 18:40 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:38 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:36 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 02 2012 18:34 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:32 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:28 noddy wrote:On February 02 2012 18:25 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:23 Corrosive wrote:On February 02 2012 18:22 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:20 StyLeD wrote:
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The micro after the build was difficult though. Uhh? Even I could do that. Actually, to do that, you have to be good at the game No, microing stalkers against marines/SCVs which are slower and take about 25 shots to kill a stalker when the marine count is about equal is no different than stutter stepping. And I suppose I am good at the game (high masters on NA, had a high enough MMR to play against a 900+ KR on my trial account and win before time ran out), maybe not at the level of these Koreans Code S players, but that kind of micro wasn't "OMG AMAZING". "maybe"? You're far inferior to Code S players. Honestly high masters on NA is nothing, don't downplay incredibly good play to try and look good. No, it's because I'm good that I recognize that game was won strictly on builds. Even if I'm 'far inferior' to Code S players, it's been proven that 'High master NA' players can take games off Code S Koreans (cough gowser vs Polt 2-1). For the record I did beat MVPTails on ladder at least, so what about you? The micro was not as amazing as people make it seem like. He was stutter stepping and running them back when they were hurt, I realize you lower league players can't handle things like that even though the units take 20+ hits to kill but stop making it seem mind-blowing and amazing. 3 Marines vs 2 Stalkers is nothing crazy, even with 6 SCVs considering Stalkers are faster. Since you're so gosu, go take Oz's place right now and play for him. It's not like he was only worrying about microing at that point lol. I don't understand the way people are responding to what this guy said...he's just saying what Oz did wasn't that hard...>_> It was just stalkers out microing those units that they always outmicro. I saw masters league streamers do comparable micro to that. Just becuase it looked cool doesn't mean it was really hard to do necessarily. I'm not saying it was ridiculously great micro lol plenty of masters and GMs can do that kind of stuff. I just think until you're the one in the booth playing for a bigass prize against the best players in the world, you shouldn't compare yourself to them. my 2 cents. Mega's post nailed it. Another issue is how biased the TL forums are. Game #2 was much more entertaining, but because a protoss favorite player lost, Game #1 still is voted as being more recommended. That early aggression play was a build order win. How is that more impressive than a late game where macro/micro is much more important in determining who wins?
The game 1 was really precise micro and epic saves from the stalkers.
Game 2 gas 2 army avoiding each other and MMA eventually getting to oz base and oz cant base trade so he goes back... Imo MMA didnt outplay Oz that much... All the engagements were won by Oz... and Oz didnt have the best compo for that map (mass zealot in narrow chokes) so MMA just capitalized on that.
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On February 02 2012 18:40 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:39 Teoita wrote:
Well played by MMA.
I still dislike 2base templar builds though, especially on that map. Collosi seem to be much stronger on that map...
Yeah. Bizzare choices by Oz. He was never going to get the zel archon trades he wanted. I suppose he thought hen eeded the blink stalker/large army to secure the third. Bleh I wish these games had more harass.
I still think MMA is ripe for the picking though. Oz should take this series.
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On February 02 2012 18:42 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:41 Pandemona wrote:
OOOO My favorite map :D /bow blizzard for making a good map :D Wait until they remove it next season 
And put steps of war back. Now with more rocks.
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On February 02 2012 18:41 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:38 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:36 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 02 2012 18:34 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:32 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:28 noddy wrote:On February 02 2012 18:25 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:23 Corrosive wrote:On February 02 2012 18:22 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:20 StyLeD wrote:
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The micro after the build was difficult though. Uhh? Even I could do that. Actually, to do that, you have to be good at the game No, microing stalkers against marines/SCVs which are slower and take about 25 shots to kill a stalker when the marine count is about equal is no different than stutter stepping. And I suppose I am good at the game (high masters on NA, had a high enough MMR to play against a 900+ KR on my trial account and win before time ran out), maybe not at the level of these Koreans Code S players, but that kind of micro wasn't "OMG AMAZING". "maybe"? You're far inferior to Code S players. Honestly high masters on NA is nothing, don't downplay incredibly good play to try and look good. No, it's because I'm good that I recognize that game was won strictly on builds. Even if I'm 'far inferior' to Code S players, it's been proven that 'High master NA' players can take games off Code S Koreans (cough gowser vs Polt 2-1). For the record I did beat MVPTails on ladder at least, so what about you? The micro was not as amazing as people make it seem like. He was stutter stepping and running them back when they were hurt, I realize you lower league players can't handle things like that even though the units take 20+ hits to kill but stop making it seem mind-blowing and amazing. 3 Marines vs 2 Stalkers is nothing crazy, even with 6 SCVs considering Stalkers are faster. Since you're so gosu, go take Oz's place right now and play for him. It's not like he was only worrying about microing at that point lol. I don't understand the way people are responding to what this guy said...he's just saying what Oz did wasn't that hard...>_> It was just stalkers out microing those units that they always outmicro. I saw masters league streamers do comparable micro to that. Just becuase it looked cool doesn't mean it was really hard to do necessarily. I'm not saying it was ridiculously great micro lol plenty of masters and GMs can do that kind of stuff. I just think until you're the one in the booth playing for a bigass prize against the best players in the world, you shouldn't compare yourself to them. my 2 cents. The comparison wasn't for ego, it was to illustrate how a player like himself, who is not a professional by any stretch of the imagination can, and often will pull off similar micro to what was shown there.. It's not like he was boasting that his micro is better than Oz's.
^This, yet again o_o
Microing 3 units is not as hard as it seems.
What makes Oz a Code S player and not just a regular high level ladder player is how well he controls a large army late game/while controlling his macro well and how well he reads his opponent's play.
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On February 02 2012 18:42 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:42 Gheed wrote:On February 02 2012 18:41 Pandemona wrote:
OOOO My favorite map :D /bow blizzard for making a good map :D Forced cross spawn in GSL, though. Why did Oz scout the bottom right then?
Because I'm wrong apparently. Could have sworn it was
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On February 02 2012 18:40 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:38 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:36 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 02 2012 18:34 Whatson wrote:On February 02 2012 18:32 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:28 noddy wrote:On February 02 2012 18:25 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:23 Corrosive wrote:On February 02 2012 18:22 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 02 2012 18:20 StyLeD wrote:
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The micro after the build was difficult though. Uhh? Even I could do that. Actually, to do that, you have to be good at the game No, microing stalkers against marines/SCVs which are slower and take about 25 shots to kill a stalker when the marine count is about equal is no different than stutter stepping. And I suppose I am good at the game (high masters on NA, had a high enough MMR to play against a 900+ KR on my trial account and win before time ran out), maybe not at the level of these Koreans Code S players, but that kind of micro wasn't "OMG AMAZING". "maybe"? You're far inferior to Code S players. Honestly high masters on NA is nothing, don't downplay incredibly good play to try and look good. No, it's because I'm good that I recognize that game was won strictly on builds. Even if I'm 'far inferior' to Code S players, it's been proven that 'High master NA' players can take games off Code S Koreans (cough gowser vs Polt 2-1). For the record I did beat MVPTails on ladder at least, so what about you? The micro was not as amazing as people make it seem like. He was stutter stepping and running them back when they were hurt, I realize you lower league players can't handle things like that even though the units take 20+ hits to kill but stop making it seem mind-blowing and amazing. 3 Marines vs 2 Stalkers is nothing crazy, even with 6 SCVs considering Stalkers are faster. Since you're so gosu, go take Oz's place right now and play for him. It's not like he was only worrying about microing at that point lol. I don't understand the way people are responding to what this guy said...he's just saying what Oz did wasn't that hard...>_> It was just stalkers out microing those units that they always outmicro. I saw masters league streamers do comparable micro to that. Just becuase it looked cool doesn't mean it was really hard to do necessarily. I'm not saying it was ridiculously great micro lol plenty of masters and GMs can do that kind of stuff. I just think until you're the one in the booth playing for a bigass prize against the best players in the world, you shouldn't compare yourself to them. my 2 cents. Mega's post nailed it. Another issue is how biased the TL forums are. Game #2 was much more entertaining, but because a protoss favorite player lost, Game #1 still is voted as being more recommended. That early aggression play was practically a build order win (the map also played a part due to how open the natural is). How is that more impressive than a late game where macro/micro is much more important in determining who wins?
TL bias tends to swing with the most prominent QQ of the time. It used to be zergs, but ever since the 1/1/1 and the infamous front page balance whine article Protoss have learned that they can indeed give the zergs a run for their money in the whining department.
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oz looked more solid throughout the entire game, mma just got lucky and everyone thinks he played better, as usual -- 1 medivac drop killing third + 4 FULL ENERGY ht's randomly sniped with marauders (he didnt know oz's army movement just happened to run into them)
without a shitty map (especially for chargelot/archon/ht) and throwing the game away to 1 medivac oz will win easily.
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that music was getting so intense as the probe approached the ramp then as the probe went up it the music calmed.....
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On February 02 2012 18:42 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:41 bbQ4Aiur wrote:On February 02 2012 18:39 Sub40APM wrote:On February 02 2012 18:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
archons are so bad against ghost > <
wp by mma need burrowed charge for them too. i lol'ed haha man... imagine a burrow charging archon. that would be so cool. They can headbutt with ultras Btw, in a straight up, full upgraded archon vs full upgraded ultra 1 on 1... who wins?
Ultra, pretty sure I've tested it long ago
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On February 02 2012 18:43 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:42 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 02 2012 18:41 Pandemona wrote:
OOOO My favorite map :D /bow blizzard for making a good map :D Wait until they remove it next season And put steps of war back. Now with more rocks.
Its just rocks. The tall grass has been replaced by rocks as well
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Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
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On February 02 2012 18:42 Asha` wrote:
Proxy one base colossus...
do eeeeeeet
Proxy mothership rush imo.
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Tasteless is totally Johnny Cage! 
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On February 02 2012 18:43 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:42 JJH777 wrote:On February 02 2012 18:42 Gheed wrote:On February 02 2012 18:41 Pandemona wrote:
OOOO My favorite map :D /bow blizzard for making a good map :D Forced cross spawn in GSL, though. Why did Oz scout the bottom right then? Because I'm wrong apparently. Could have sworn it was
I think you can't spawn close by ground
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