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![[image loading]](http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3636/kslbanner.png) Welcome to the  Korean StarCraft II League Daily! The KSL is sponsored by own3d.tv and can be viewed as an European event series that features the Korean Pro-Teams. The KSL is a series of daily matches between top Korean players from the teams Prime, oGs, NSHoSeo, MVP, ZeNEX, StarTale, Incredible Miracle, and FXOpen. ![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2209631/tlwork/ksl/00/ksl_lineups.jpg) Today's Line-Up! Monday, 30th January! 14:00 GMT (+00:00): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Korean_StarCraft_II_League_Daily/2012/Team_League_-_January Price Money:At 1:30 in Match 9 http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/424271 Khaldor says: "... 1000$ for winning team and 300$ for second..." but only "as far as I know"! He´s not sure about $ or €, too, but $ is much more likely. No official statement regarding pricemoney! (as far as I know...) ![[image loading]](http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9630/primeiconthin.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/motbob/vs.png) ![[image loading]](http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6305/nshsiconthin.png) Prime vs. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HoSeo Match 1:![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/959.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/noimage.jpg)  MarineKing < Antiga Shipyard > Sting + Show Spoiler [Match 2 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 3 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 4 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 5 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 6 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 7 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 8 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 9 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 10 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 11 Players] +Poll: Who will win?Doesn´t matter, I want 11 good games (26) 47% Prime (17) 31% NSHoSeo (12) 22% 55 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Prime
(Vote): NSHoSeo
(Vote): Doesn´t matter, I want 11 good games
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Can't wait! will be epic!
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MKP or Creator vs Jjakji pls?
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France12860 Posts
Amazing =D.
I am looking forward to it. As expected, Prime are in the finals o/
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Australia54784 Posts
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As expected? Dont think that was expected, but surely a cool match comming up!
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Gogo everyone, I'll root for Gretorp today.
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On January 30 2012 21:51 MrCon wrote:
Gogo everyone, I'll root for Gretorp today.
I'm with you! Gogo Gretorp!
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Will be hard but I think NsHs got it!
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lets see some protoss!
creator, core, tassadar, san !!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Rooting for the underdog (?) NSHoSeo!
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HoSeO.HOON FiGhTinG !~~~~~~~~
SAN <3
TASSADAR <3
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Prime will make it. Creator to kill them all :D!
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Really hoping for another epic like PRIME vs MvP, I LOVE YOU KSL!
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Looks sweet 
Cheering for NSHoseo, but really just wanna see some good games
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I hope we see some more of the unknown players from NSHoseo. They've shown so many players with sick talent out of nowhere, as well as a few sick cheesers. I wonder if BanBans or Tassadar will play a macro game (or something innovative) O_o
Hope Byun (AKA GhostkingPrime) finally gets to play. He's not still banned, is he? Regardless, he must be giving good practice - Creator and MKP are in sick shape ^_^ (and most of the other Prime terrans seem to suck lolo)
oshi sick thought - Tassadar vs a revived BitbyBit ace match? Can see whats better - 4gate or 3rax + SCV all-in lolo
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mkp and creator will get the job done.
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On January 30 2012 22:37 pStar wrote:
What is the prize money?
No-one really knows, for this event. But we do know that KSL is given a budget of $1k a week and this took place over 3 weeks, so I think it's safe to assume something between 500-1000.
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I don´t know either and haven´t seen anything official, but perhaps we can trust this here
On January 16 2012 18:44 CP-Jun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:28 CP-Jun wrote:On January 16 2012 16:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Well for starters, your entire concept of the KSL is a bit skewed.
We're not moving away from the daily format in the slightest, we still have matches EVERY day.
Furthermore, there usually is a live thread every day, you didn't seem to look very hard.
The prize pool is $100, not $1000 (For individual days at least)
It would also be close to impossible to implement any more teams into the format as it is based on the way it's run and organized.
If you'd like to get in touch with the KSL, or make any suggestions, please feel free to message me with them. I have just confirmed with Own3D, it's $1300 every week. My mistake, I assumed you were talking per-day. That's not really something needed to confirm with Own3D either....it's just simple addition o.O What I heard was that the winning team gets $1000 and the runner up gets $300. I don't know why that's an addition but then I love how the prize is decent every week so teams must be dedicated!
Winning team 1000$, second place 300$. But again, I don´t know if CP-Jun is involved in the tournament/have inside informations.
Also confusing that he talks about 1300$ weekly, but the teamleague is running a much longer period.
Khaldor online http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/live/130010
Stream and Vod´s are free, to Vertical
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do i need to pay to watch this ?
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Wanna see Creator and MKP playing good games!
Im not looking forward too see Tassadar unless he's going to show us a macro game, but thats one thing I wouldnt put my money on!
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On January 30 2012 22:49 Vertical wrote:
do i need to pay to watch this ?
No, streams will show up when it starts.
eg here http://www.own3d.tv/Katustarcraft If you are from Canadia
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lets goooo nshs and SEALLL
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MKP first? Prime is not exactly messing around.
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Wtf starting with MKP? And vs Hoon that laid down the law vs ogs? Great start already
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It sucks that NSh aren't going to win a game 
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MKP on an all kill mission, hoping he fails, I want more games!
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Prime sending out MKP right away, wow
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On January 30 2012 22:48 Hondelul wrote:I don´t know either and haven´t seen anything official, but perhaps we can trust this here Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:44 CP-Jun wrote:On January 16 2012 18:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:28 CP-Jun wrote:On January 16 2012 16:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Well for starters, your entire concept of the KSL is a bit skewed.
We're not moving away from the daily format in the slightest, we still have matches EVERY day.
Furthermore, there usually is a live thread every day, you didn't seem to look very hard.
The prize pool is $100, not $1000 (For individual days at least)
It would also be close to impossible to implement any more teams into the format as it is based on the way it's run and organized.
If you'd like to get in touch with the KSL, or make any suggestions, please feel free to message me with them. I have just confirmed with Own3D, it's $1300 every week. My mistake, I assumed you were talking per-day. That's not really something needed to confirm with Own3D either....it's just simple addition o.O What I heard was that the winning team gets $1000 and the runner up gets $300. I don't know why that's an addition but then I love how the prize is decent every week so teams must be dedicated! Winning team 1000$, second place 300$. But again, I don´t know if CP-Jun is involved in the tournament/have inside informations. Also confusing that he talks about 1300$ weekly, but the teamleague is running a much longer period. Khaldor online http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/live/130010Stream and Vod´s are free, to Vertical
They're sponsored by own3d.tv, who gives them a budget of $1300 each week to spend on whatever event what they want to host.
There used to be 4 1v1 events each day with a prize pool of $150 ($100 winner, $50 runner) and 3 team events ($200 winner) which adds up to $1200.
But now that they're hosting random events, no-one really knows the prize pool for each event. Since this team league series (January) has lasted over three weeks, I think it's probably something like $1300 split over winner/runner-up, $1300 split over semifinalist (hosted yesterday=last week) and $1300 between the quarterfinalists.
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Hoping those that can watch are going to keep updating with LR info.
Stuck at work and this is my life line to the real world of SC2 
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Aww, that miscontrol. A-move reapers.
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Losing 3 reaper like that for nothing is so huge.
That's 2 full minute of rax production.
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United Kingdom38253 Posts
Don't see Sting holding marineking's all in.
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MKP at the start is a good choice in my opinion. I know its been a while but everytime in GSTL when they sent him out as the ace he lost. Creator is better for that job.
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MKP pushes into Sting's natural with a strong marine tank push and wins the game
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Yeah.. You can't hope to hold a tech all in if you go 3 reaper into bio and losing the reapers for nothing.
They're the only thing that can keep your opponent in his base while you're teching.
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Was just thinking that it was nice to have a different ad from the other day, then it plays 3 times in a row, sick of it already 
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On January 30 2012 23:14 Noocta wrote:
Yeah.. You can't hope to hold a tech all in if you go 3 reaper into bio and losing the reapers for nothing.
They're the only thing that can keep your opponent in his base while you're teching.
This. And he didn't even scout what MKP was doing... Moreover, his add-ons were fully exposed. Dunno what he could have done worse, to be honest. :x
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seal gonna shock the prime world
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Omg Seal vs MKP, this is like a dream :D Always wanted to see them play, even tho MKP is in full confidence, and when he's like that he stops wallin his bases to be cocky, which makes him lose, which sends him in a slump, which he get out from by wallin in again.
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United Kingdom38253 Posts
Looks like cheeseking is in the building to start with xD
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On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal
The game is on daybreak
MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd.
12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first
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On January 30 2012 23:12 MrKn4rz wrote:
MKP at the start is a good choice in my opinion. I know its been a while but everytime in GSTL when they sent him out as the ace he lost. Creator is better for that job.
I agree, but for strategical reasons rather than nerves. He simply is better than the whole NHSL aside perhaps for Jjakji; that means that he will likely force them to throw all his mid-high tier players at him, and even if he gets sniped at some point Prime will still have Creator and all their mid-tier.
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On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote: The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first
Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones
4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good
MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks
Seal mining gas
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dat creep will be across the map in 5 minutes
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Good defense by Seal, even tho he took an awful long time to attack the building scv with a drone.
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On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas
5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now
Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done
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On January 30 2012 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas 5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done
MKP walks into natural of seal, backs away and kills creep tumours
engagement at the not yet taken seal 3rd, some marines and marauders survive, MKP backs off for now, stim 75% done
Seal taking 3rd
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Khaldor is being really active past 10 days. Casting every second of the day.
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United Kingdom38253 Posts
Marineking must be such a scary Terran to play against, it always feels like he's threatening something.
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On January 30 2012 23:24 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas 5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done MKP walks into natural of seal, backs away and kills creep tumours engagement at the not yet taken seal 3rd, some marines and marauders survive, MKP backs off for now, stim 75% done Seal taking 3rd
Another push coming from MKP Marine marauder with stime and +1 attack, no medivacs yet
Burrow and Baneling speed finish, MKP waiting for medivacs to kill the 3rd of seal
MKP backing off, taking a third
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On January 30 2012 23:20 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:12 MrKn4rz wrote:
MKP at the start is a good choice in my opinion. I know its been a while but everytime in GSTL when they sent him out as the ace he lost. Creator is better for that job. I agree, but for strategical reasons rather than nerves. He simply is better than the whole NHSL aside perhaps for Jjakji; that means that he will likely force them to throw all his mid-high tier players at him, and even if he gets sniped at some point Prime will still have Creator and all their mid-tier.
Exactly. Ever since the first team league started every team almost always saved their best players for the last matches which isnt always the best thing to do. Finally we see some different strategys.
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On January 30 2012 23:20 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:12 MrKn4rz wrote:
MKP at the start is a good choice in my opinion. I know its been a while but everytime in GSTL when they sent him out as the ace he lost. Creator is better for that job. I agree, but for strategical reasons rather than nerves. He simply is better than the whole NHSL aside perhaps for Jjakji; that means that he will likely force them to throw all his mid-high tier players at him, and even if he gets sniped at some point Prime will still have Creator and all their mid-tier.
I also think that he's a far more consistent player now than he ever was. Maybe not quite as good compared to the field as he was when he was runner up, but he has far more varied strats now, and there are far more decent players around now that the game has matured a little
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On January 30 2012 23:26 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:24 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas 5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done MKP walks into natural of seal, backs away and kills creep tumours engagement at the not yet taken seal 3rd, some marines and marauders survive, MKP backs off for now, stim 75% done Seal taking 3rd Another push coming from MKP Marine marauder with stime and +1 attack, no medivacs yet Burrow and Baneling speed finish, MKP waiting for medivacs to kill the 3rd of seal MKP backing off, taking a third
Seal teching to infestation pit, has a spire already. +2 armour for seal
MKP making tanks now, siege mode almost done continues to deny creep spread
MKP pushes into the natural of seal, gets sandwiched on the ramp
Marauders only on seal's side of the map but 4 mutalisks continue to attack
Seal countering MKPs third with lings, killed 2 scvs
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I like that Seal always goes for flanks/surrounds against T. Very entertaining.
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He is really trying to baserace vs MKP? Oo
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baseraceking.prime taking care of business
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On January 30 2012 23:29 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:26 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:24 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas 5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done MKP walks into natural of seal, backs away and kills creep tumours engagement at the not yet taken seal 3rd, some marines and marauders survive, MKP backs off for now, stim 75% done Seal taking 3rd Another push coming from MKP Marine marauder with stime and +1 attack, no medivacs yet Burrow and Baneling speed finish, MKP waiting for medivacs to kill the 3rd of seal MKP backing off, taking a third Seal teching to infestation pit, has a spire already. +2 armour for seal MKP making tanks now, siege mode almost done continues to deny creep spread MKP pushes into the natural of seal, gets sandwiched on the ramp Marauders only on seal's side of the map but 4 mutalisks continue to attack Seal countering MKPs third with lings, killed 2 scvs
Mutas poking at MKPs main, MKP pushing seal's base (attacking at Z nat and 3rd at same time)
Looking like a base trade? No, marines pop from the barracks in MKPs main and fight back the mutas.
Seal's tech reset no lair, losing spire, losing infestation pit. One hatch left
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On January 30 2012 23:31 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:29 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:26 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:24 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:20 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:19 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 2: MKP vs Seal The game is on daybreak MKP proxying 2 rax near the 6 o clock 3rd. 12/16 proxy rax vs hatch first Bunker going down for MKP, Seal pulls drones 4 drones killed for seal countering with lings but unable to reach MKPs base. Marine micro too good MKP expanding, putting down 2 more barracks Seal mining gas 5 barracks, marine marauder and combat shields on the way for MKP - moving out now Seal still on 2 base, baneling nest almost done MKP walks into natural of seal, backs away and kills creep tumours engagement at the not yet taken seal 3rd, some marines and marauders survive, MKP backs off for now, stim 75% done Seal taking 3rd Another push coming from MKP Marine marauder with stime and +1 attack, no medivacs yet Burrow and Baneling speed finish, MKP waiting for medivacs to kill the 3rd of seal MKP backing off, taking a third Seal teching to infestation pit, has a spire already. +2 armour for seal MKP making tanks now, siege mode almost done continues to deny creep spread MKP pushes into the natural of seal, gets sandwiched on the ramp Marauders only on seal's side of the map but 4 mutalisks continue to attack Seal countering MKPs third with lings, killed 2 scvs Mutas poking at MKPs main, MKP pushing seal's base (attacking at Z nat and 3rd at same time) Looking like a base trade? No, marines pop from the barracks in MKPs main and fight back the mutas. Seal's tech reset no lair, losing spire, losing infestation pit. One hatch left
MKP finds the last base from Seal, sends marines and kills it.
Seal GGs
MKP 2-0
Prime 2 - 0 NSHS
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seal why you no burrow banelings at your base!!!!
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Worrying putting MKP first, as soon as he goes down it makes things alot harder for Prime, loosing their Ace
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United States8476 Posts
MKP and Creator are the Flash/Stats of SC2 teamleague ^^.
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I just remembered this is a BO11 and I have readings to do .... well ill either stop LR at some point or just LR the MKP road to victory if he drops no games
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Why Mutas? He had an Overseer near MKP's bases, he should have scouted bio play and headed towards Infestors. Nice game plan from MKP, though.
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On January 30 2012 23:32 Tidus Mino wrote:
Worrying putting MKP first, as soon as he goes down it makes things alot harder for Prime, loosing their Ace
They have CreatorPrime
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On January 30 2012 23:32 Tidus Mino wrote:
Worrying putting MKP first, as soon as he goes down it makes things alot harder for Prime, loosing their Ace
No, MKp can win now more than later cause of his nerves I think, Its a smart decision to send him out now because they will either have to send an ace or sacrifice a ton of mid-tier players
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Seal's decision making was not too good. Baseracing with lings and a few mutas vs an almost full-bio terran is not going to work, and I still question his decision to go for mutas.
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On January 30 2012 23:32 Tidus Mino wrote:
Worrying putting MKP first, as soon as he goes down it makes things alot harder for Prime, loosing their Ace
Creator can take snipe a good player or 2 at the end.
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Khaldor looks so great in HD.
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ManZenith, time to all kill! <3
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On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan
Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom
MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1
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Creator is just as good as MKP in team leagues, he did beat DRG yesterday and also got singlehandedly beat TSL in gSTL season one.
They also have Byun if he is able to play
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On January 30 2012 23:35 WigglingSquid wrote:
Seal's decision making was not too good. Baseracing with lings and a few mutas vs an almost full-bio terran is not going to work, and I still question his decision to go for mutas.
Especially as he spent most of the time going for SCV's which is pretty pointless vs a terran with 3 orbitals who only needs marines to beat the zerg's current army composition in that particular point in the game.
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wish i knew korean so i could know what theyre saying to eachother 
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On January 30 2012 23:36 xi Tempest x wrote:
Creator is just as good as MKP in team leagues, he did beat DRG yesterday and also got singlehandedly beat TSL in gSTL season one.
Dont forget his quad-kill vs. FXO in the round of 8.
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On January 30 2012 23:37 HeavenS wrote:wish i knew korean so i could know what theyre saying to eachother
same for me when i watch MKP games, he's chatting so much.
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On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1
MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks
San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like
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On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like
Ok,
Marauder Hellion from MKP
3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory
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On January 30 2012 23:40 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like Ok, Marauder Hellion from MKP 3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory
MKP pushing into San's base, forcefields make it cost effective defense for san, San expanding now placing a robo down
MKP has medivacs on the way now, putting down 2 more barracks no expansion
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Strange thing to say coming up:
I think it was Seal's defence of the bunker rush that lost him the game...
Explanation:
Although he defended it brilliantly, the number of drones he used (and length of time that he used them) as well as the number of zerglings that he produced (instead of drones/queens) really crippled him. Every time I looked at the supply, MKP was further ahead, despite a bungled bunker rush and no successful harrass thereafter. On an equal footing, with an equal start, that's not supposed to happen. They were both sat on two base (where Seal had established his expansion first), and MKP was outmacroing Seal big time.
Things I purposely didn't mention:
Strength of bunker rushes
Mules
Larva mechanic
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SICK targeting on the medivac!
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MKP should have waited for stim to finish
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Canada13389 Posts
On January 30 2012 23:41 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:40 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like Ok, Marauder Hellion from MKP 3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory MKP pushing into San's base, forcefields make it cost effective defense for san, San expanding now placing a robo down MKP has medivacs on the way now, putting down 2 more barracks no expansion
MKP heading out for a one base stim medivac timing
San adding extra gateways, not a lot of units for San.
Hellion drop in the back MMM near the front
San Forcefields units, MKP picks up units in the medivacs, the medivac gets sniped
Hellions dropped in the back again, no damage
San countering MKP expanding finally
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This looks like ManZenith to me. Good!
Edit: DTs. Oh please no. -_-
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On January 30 2012 23:44 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:41 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:40 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like Ok, Marauder Hellion from MKP 3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory MKP pushing into San's base, forcefields make it cost effective defense for san, San expanding now placing a robo down MKP has medivacs on the way now, putting down 2 more barracks no expansion MKP heading out for a one base stim medivac timing San adding extra gateways, not a lot of units for San. Hellion drop in the back MMM near the front San Forcefields units, MKP picks up units in the medivacs, the medivac gets sniped Hellions dropped in the back again, no damage San countering MKP expanding finally
San backs away, doesnt commit to an attack. San taking a third and getting charge and +1 armour. Siege tanks out for MKP, no siege mode
San Putting down 4 more gateways and getting a dark shrine
MKP pushing in again with tanks, MMM
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that army movement was an extremely high risk low reward move by san, almost cost him the game
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On January 30 2012 23:46 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:44 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:41 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:40 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like Ok, Marauder Hellion from MKP 3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory MKP pushing into San's base, forcefields make it cost effective defense for san, San expanding now placing a robo down MKP has medivacs on the way now, putting down 2 more barracks no expansion MKP heading out for a one base stim medivac timing San adding extra gateways, not a lot of units for San. Hellion drop in the back MMM near the front San Forcefields units, MKP picks up units in the medivacs, the medivac gets sniped Hellions dropped in the back again, no damage San countering MKP expanding finally San backs away, doesnt commit to an attack. San taking a third and getting charge and +1 armour. Siege tanks out for MKP, no siege mode San Putting down 4 more gateways and getting a dark shrine MKP pushing in again with tanks, MMM
Proxy pylon going down near where MKP is now taking is third (the pocket third)
San runs past the now building MKP third, one dt gets lost 2 more left, no scans left
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On January 30 2012 23:45 WigglingSquid wrote:
This looks like ManZenith to me. Good!
Edit: DTs. Oh please no. -_-
Actually, he seems to be using them wisely so far.
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MANzenith schooling Marineking in another clan war.
such a beast.
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On January 30 2012 23:49 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:45 WigglingSquid wrote:
This looks like ManZenith to me. Good!
Edit: DTs. Oh please no. -_- Actually, he seems to be using them wisely so far.
More importantely, he won
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On January 30 2012 23:47 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:46 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:44 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:41 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:40 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:39 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:36 ZeromuS wrote:On January 30 2012 23:35 ZeromuS wrote:
Game 3
MKP vs NSHSSan Map is ESV Cloud Kingdom MKP spawns at 7 -- San spawns at 1 MKP not scouting, going for a fast factory, with tech lab making on barracks San going 2 gas off one base. not a 1 gate FE looks like Ok, Marauder Hellion from MKP 3 Gates from San proxy pylon being set up next to a low ground factory MKP pushing into San's base, forcefields make it cost effective defense for san, San expanding now placing a robo down MKP has medivacs on the way now, putting down 2 more barracks no expansion MKP heading out for a one base stim medivac timing San adding extra gateways, not a lot of units for San. Hellion drop in the back MMM near the front San Forcefields units, MKP picks up units in the medivacs, the medivac gets sniped Hellions dropped in the back again, no damage San countering MKP expanding finally San backs away, doesnt commit to an attack. San taking a third and getting charge and +1 armour. Siege tanks out for MKP, no siege mode San Putting down 4 more gateways and getting a dark shrine MKP pushing in again with tanks, MMM Proxy pylon going down near where MKP is now taking is third (the pocket third) San runs past the now building MKP third, one dt gets lost 2 more left, no scans left
San denies the third of MKP, Storm on the way and +2 armour. +2 attack on the way from MKP
Robo Bay and collossus transition now
Warp prism heading to the back of MKPs base.
MKP Sticking on MMM not taking a third and his main is almost mined out
Engagement in the middle - San storms a lot of bio tanks not sieged
MKP pushing into San's natural, a collossus pops out and helps clean up the bio force, only 3 medivacs and 4 marines
MKP GGs
MKP < San
Prime 2 - 1 NSHS
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Damn, that was a sexy game by San.
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That was played really well by san
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Woohoo, the king is dead. Long live San!
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Now that MKP lost this is going to be a really close series and I won't be able to LR it all O.O I might get started on homework so sorry for those following the text updates
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ManZenith returns!!
Still not sure about sending out MarineKing first. Maybe to keep his nerves in check I guess.
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On January 30 2012 23:50 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:49 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 30 2012 23:45 WigglingSquid wrote:
This looks like ManZenith to me. Good!
Edit: DTs. Oh please no. -_- Actually, he seems to be using them wisely so far. More importantely, he won
Yes, he played really well. I just have this kneejerk reaction everytime I see a DT shrine, even when it is a sensible choice to force scans and strangle your opponent by keeping an economic advantage, because they are misused in an all-inish way too often.
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lol i swear everytime i watch khaldor's stream like 100 people ask him what the song is called during his break.
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Impressive from San. Seems he had the proper reads for every situation... 3 gate exe against pressure opening → defending one-base play → teching adequately (i. e. not too fast) when MKP tried to transition into 2-base bio/tanks push → finishing with the usual Protoss AoE feast.
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On January 30 2012 23:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:
ManZenith returns!!
Still not sure about sending out MarineKing first. Maybe to keep his nerves in check I guess.
Well it is a finals.
And we all know what happened in the last team league finals he was in.
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Nice, Bboongbboong has a great ZvP
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glad to see san coming back into the sc2 scene. would LOVE to see him back in the gsl. i guess having artosis swallow tasteless's sword is another perk.
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On January 30 2012 23:45 WigglingSquid wrote:
This looks like ManZenith to me. Good!
Edit: DTs. Oh please no. -_-
what's wrong with dt's :p as long as it isn't a dt cheese, they're pretty much always worth it lol
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kHALdor cast with SEN plz
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On January 30 2012 23:58 H0RNET wrote:
kHALdor cast with SEN plz
Sen co-casting San can be a bit confusing. :D
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On January 30 2012 23:55 KingPaddy wrote:
Nice, Bboongbboong has a great ZvP
both san and bboongbboong have the rare privilege of having taken down nestea before, so i'd say san has pretty good pvz too
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If he can get to it...that's the money Artosis pylon
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On January 31 2012 00:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:Sen co-casting San can be a bit confusing. :D
i just asked khaldor on facebook, hope he reads it in the next pause after the game. the tl-attack with sen was so damn funny
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bonbgonbbbongbboom boom boom headshot
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Damn, love this 3 hatch ling/roach style.
As zerg I always get tempted to tech harder with such economy and then I lose to this push...
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Nice hold. Perhaps it would have been easier with ~5-10 less drones? Don't know what's the proper answer to this kind of +1 armor 7GR all-in.
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On January 31 2012 00:09 TheDwf wrote:
Nice hold. Perhaps it would have been easier with ~5-10 less drones? Don't know what's the proper answer to this kind of +1 armor 7GR all-in.
Think he did it pretty much right. Pumping out units the beat the Toss production is about right, and force-fields are going to run out eventually. Plus the enemy HAS to do damage, so you can choose where the fight can happen.
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You know... that was really smart of Prime sending MKP first. He doesn't do so hot under pressure, so sending him first allows him to play his best and gain confidence in himself and he showed some great games today. Kudos Prime!
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Prime is looking good. NSHoSeo needs to throw in their ace before they are down to match point.
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Sculp is playing quite poorly, which is somewhat weird considering that he did qualify for Code A.
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Looks like Prime is a great position now. Time to see NSHo's bring out the big guns
Sage or Jjaki?
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On January 31 2012 00:20 WigglingSquid wrote:
Sculp is playing quite poorly, which is somewhat weird considering that he did qualify for Code A.
Not much he could do, he went for reactor medivacs rather than tanks as his transition out of reactor hellion expo and that doesn't leave you much leeway at all when it comes to holding a big roach/bane bust.
About the only thing he could do to get back in was to hope he could do a bunch of damage with drops.
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I think we need the all-in king Tassadar in here!
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Time for NSHS to bring our their ace players, things aren't looking too good...
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On January 31 2012 00:21 Pure-SC2 wrote:Looks like Prime is a great position now. Time to see NSHo's bring out the big guns Sage or Jjaki?
I think that Sage would be a better choice, since he has the skill to take down a couple of Prime players. Using him as ace would be bad, because he clearly have issues with pressure management.
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This is what happens when you use your first Hellions like an idiot. :x
And I didn't get the point with 3 reactor rax, it's overkill at this point. Maybe he was planning for some kind of 2-base all-in, though.
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Anyone notice NSH's "S" lineup today?
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Khaldor right on the money right there!
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On January 31 2012 00:22 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:20 WigglingSquid wrote:
Sculp is playing quite poorly, which is somewhat weird considering that he did qualify for Code A. Not much he could do, he went for reactor medivacs rather than tanks as his transition out of reactor hellion expo and that doesn't leave you much leeway at all when it comes to holding a big roach/bane bust.
You can defend with Reactor Starport transition, but he invested too much into production facilities and not enough in units. Besides, since he had suicided his first two Hellions for nothing, he was not right in front of the Zerg's base and thus didn't have enough time to prepare.
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On January 31 2012 00:23 NrGmonk wrote:
Anyone notice NSH's "S" lineup today?
O_O Now it's Sting/Seal/San/Sculp/Sage.
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On January 31 2012 00:23 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:21 Pure-SC2 wrote:Looks like Prime is a great position now. Time to see NSHo's bring out the big guns Sage or Jjaki? I think that Sage would be a better choice, since he has the skill to take down a couple of Prime players. Using him as ace would be bad, because he clearly have issues with pressure management.
But creator doesn't lose pvt, so i think jjakji would of been a better choice now, Prime still have Byun, Creator, Annyeong and BboongBboong who has very good pvz, it doesn't look great for NSH at the moment.
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On January 31 2012 00:28 xi Tempest x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:23 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 31 2012 00:21 Pure-SC2 wrote:Looks like Prime is a great position now. Time to see NSHo's bring out the big guns Sage or Jjaki? I think that Sage would be a better choice, since he has the skill to take down a couple of Prime players. Using him as ace would be bad, because he clearly have issues with pressure management. But creator doesn't lose pvt, so i think jjakji would of been a better choice now, Prime still have Byun, Creator, Annyeong and BboongBboong who has very good pvz, it doesn't look great for NSH at the moment.
Bomber has beaten Creator very convincingly. I'm pretty sure Jjakji's TvP is on a equal/higher level than Bomber's.
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Looks like gg already, Sage not doing anything =/
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Lol Khaldor raging at bboongbboong
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Terrible positioning by Bboong BBoong =/
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Lol Khaldor is gonna get himself in trouble with his talking one day.
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"You've got to be fuckin kidding me!?"
Haha I love Khaldor!
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sage doing random attacks as usual
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Whats with the lack of storm from sage :/
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Mass muta v no storm. Yep, only one way that's going to turn out.
Cool game though.
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No Templar tech, no hope. ):
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Bah, Sage. Switching to VRs after seeing mutas/corruptor/BLs, after letting a zerg just powerup his economy to max while barely doing anything. He can play standard games so well, I simply do not know why he insists on being quirky at all costs. -_-
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sage keeps on disappointing guess it was really the artosis hypetrain only
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The NS Ho's are in trouble for sure.
They gotta their GSL champ out there and he's going to have pull out something pretty special. Some form of rabbit our of some form of hat.
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This is looking quite bad for NSH, time for Jjakji!
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Loosing?
No problem, just make 20 mutas and you will be fine.
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NSHS struggling today T_T
(clearly hiding strats for GSL and GSTL! >_>)
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How I'd love for jjakji to destroy the rest of prime *fingers crossed*
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wtf BBoongBBoong don't kill everyone.
I want to see Creator.
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I suppose prime prepared a terran sniper for jjakji
It's his worst mu
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prime my fav team gogogogo!!!!
jjakji the bowser is gonna be tough though
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gogo jjakji, bring it to an ace match please ^^ pretty please
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sage made to many immos even after seeing a muta switch.
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On January 31 2012 00:43 Roynalf wrote:
Loosing?
No problem, just make 20 mutas and you will be fine.
At what point was BboongBboong losing?
Sage was pretty much all in with that attack because he didn't have the tech to deal with air. The army got crushed, Sage won. I'm not entirely sure why you think a superior composition costing more money from a player with on average twice as many bases should somehow lose.
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Not this time , jjakji too good
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WTF jjakji who are you man. Why so good?
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that was a huge face palm... noooooooooooo boom boom
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why in god's name would you commit to that after you see the bunkers in place, just keep him in his main scared for a bit and take a third t_t
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Learn how to defend terrans :D SO good!
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WOW JJAKJI!!! soo smart thats totally what i wouldve done xDDD
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That was like.. the perfect roach baneling defense ever.
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... Why would the zerg attack there? You've gotten him to lift off the CC and pull mining. He's on one base at the moment. Just hit the "lair" button and pump drones, pulling back. Certainly that's a better result than blindly pushing up the ramp into a clearly-well-prepared Terran?
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Why did BB just run up and suicide his units? He ran up there with his lings and saw there were bunkers, what's the use of wasting all those banes?
Bad decision from BB imo, more than Jjakjis good defending :/
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Committing upon seeing he retreated to his main behind two bunkers was so stupid. Why didn't he go back to lose a little later?
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Even if he gets knocked out, I think BboongBboong did enough to secure his team the win
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blowing up banelings on tanks :\
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how on earth was that good defense? it was a total brain-fart on boombooms part splittig his banelings half to each direction killing nothing but supply depots when he could have denied the second long enough to get a eco advantage to crush jjakji
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Jjakji should get at least 10 puppies if he can win this for NSHS.
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LOL so many useless banelings on those tanks T_T
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On January 31 2012 00:56 gideel wrote:
how on earth was that good defense? it was a total brain-fart on boombooms part splittig his banelings half to each direction killing nothing but supply depots when he could have denied the second long enough to get a eco advantage to crush jjakji
No, a dual drop would have killed him had he stayed in front of Jjakji's natural. The game was lost when he decided to go for this blind agression while Jjakji was not playing fast third or some other low-unit play; all Bboongbboong had to do was deciding whether he wanted to lose now by painfully wasting his banes, or a bit later because he had a terrible economy and like no tech.
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Surprised they'd pick another zerg. It's Jjaki's best matchup (considering he crushed Leenock)
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Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me.
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On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me.
10k viewers combined is pretty good tho
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On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me.
Yeah, probably the second highest level tournament around in terms of actual play.
I think the issue is the production - it's not that it's bad, it's just that there's only so much you can do with limited funds and an online format.
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On January 31 2012 00:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Surprised they'd pick another zerg. It's Jjaki's best matchup (considering he crushed Leenock)
Annyeong might have been practicing for this specifically depending on how seriously Prime take this. They may just be content letting their players take shots at Jjakji and wear him down a bit given they've got Creator in the wings too.
On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me.
There's about 10k viewers combined today, I think that's pretty great :O
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On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me.
I guess it's a matter of schedule. Isn't it by night for US folks? Perhaps a rebroadcast should be scheduled so that they may watch it.
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On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho
The Korean stream has 150 viewers...
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Prime should just keep sending Terran at Jjaki, don't know why they're sending another Zerg, Jjiaki has godly TvZ, while his TvT is very mediocre
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On January 31 2012 01:03 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho The Korean stream has 150 viewers...
I have also noticed this trend. SC2 really must not be very popular in korea. Every time there's an event with a korean stream it has barely any viewers.
Either that or everyone is used to watching esports on TV and they don't know where to look.
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AnNyung? :DDDD great name!
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Oh i'm on TL on my phone while watching on my tv. Wasn't aware that KSL had 10k viewers today. I just went by the numbers it usually has combined with the small LR thread ^_^
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On January 31 2012 01:03 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho The Korean stream has 150 viewers...
It's about 1 AM in Korea right now, but on top of that this is marketed to foreign fans more than Korean fans. I'm not sure this receives any attention/PR in Korea at all.
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On January 31 2012 01:03 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho The Korean stream has 150 viewers...
463 ! :D But yeah usual it has 100-200 views.
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Well I think creator will be sent last, once jikaji will be tired, it's kinda the only really good player left on prime. Anyway it will probably be decided on creator vs jikaji, as creator seems just a level above all the other prime remaining players. AnNyung is still alive, but he would have to do a big comeback to win
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Zerg agression is painful to watch
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Prime paying the price for picking a zerg. They need to play a terran or protoss. I think I'd put creator out if it was me.
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On January 31 2012 01:10 TheDwf wrote:
Zerg agression is painful to watch
Zerg players' aggression skills especially xD
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On January 31 2012 01:06 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:03 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho The Korean stream has 150 viewers... It's about 1 AM in Korea right now, but on top of that this is marketed to foreign fans more than Korean fans. I'm not sure this receives any attention/PR in Korea at all.
Aren't they streaming it on afreeca?
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On January 31 2012 00:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:43 Roynalf wrote:
Loosing?
No problem, just make 20 mutas and you will be fine. At what point was BboongBboong losing? Sage was pretty much all in with that attack because he didn't have the tech to deal with air. The army got crushed, Sage won. I'm not entirely sure why you think a superior composition costing more money from a player with on average twice as many bases should somehow lose.
TIL double stargate isnt tech to deal with mutas, 3 x 2=5 and Sage won by loosing.
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On January 31 2012 01:04 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:03 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 31 2012 01:01 MrCon wrote:On January 31 2012 00:59 BansheeDK wrote:
Great play by jjakji. Winning 5 games in a row is gonna be hard though T_T
Every time the KSL is on, i'm saddened to see how little attention it gets. It's almost as good as the GSL for me. 10k viewers combined is pretty good tho The Korean stream has 150 viewers... I have also noticed this trend. SC2 really must not be very popular in korea. Every time there's an event with a korean stream it has barely any viewers. Either that or everyone is used to watching esports on TV and they don't know where to look.
Currently after 1AM in Korea now; starts at 11PM. I wouldn't use it to draw any conclusions about SC2's popularity in Korea.
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what is the grand prize for the KSL?
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Switzerland2892 Posts
I wonder if prime is gonna use byun
It would be a really good choice imo
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Creator time! Bye bye NSH.
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Prime should send out a Terran to stop Jjakji...
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I would have sent two other player before, but well at some point they have to rely on creator
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On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH.
JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble
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I have faith in Jjakji taking out creator. Misplaced faith, perhaps, but Jjakji's tvp is one of the best these days.
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On January 31 2012 01:13 Roynalf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 00:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:On January 31 2012 00:43 Roynalf wrote:
Loosing?
No problem, just make 20 mutas and you will be fine. At what point was BboongBboong losing? Sage was pretty much all in with that attack because he didn't have the tech to deal with air. The army got crushed, Sage won. I'm not entirely sure why you think a superior composition costing more money from a player with on average twice as many bases should somehow lose. TIL double stargate isnt tech to deal with mutas, 3 x 2=5 and Sage won by loosing.
Double stargate, especially double void-ray production, doesn't counter Muta-play unless you're already building phoenix before they start any muta production.
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I don't understand why Prime doesn't send out their Terrains. They keep sending out Zerg and Protons, which are both jjakji's bes match up
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Daybreak. Wonder if we'll see the marine/thor/banshee.
e: probably not, gasless FE
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On January 31 2012 01:19 devPLEASE wrote:
I don't understand why Prime doesn't send out their Terrains. They keep sending out Zerg and Protons, which are both jjakji's bes match up
I think Byun will be up next if Creator loses.
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On January 31 2012 01:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:
what is the grand prize for the KSL?
yeah I'd like to know too. I looked on their liquipedia page but not info about prize money on the page of what I can see..
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On January 31 2012 01:19 devPLEASE wrote:
I don't understand why Prime doesn't send out their Terrains. They keep sending out Zerg and Protons, which are both jjakji's bes match up
Probably because they don't have any terrans?
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On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble
MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran?
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On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble
What good Terrans do Prime have left? I can only think of Maru, but I have no idea how good he is.
If Byun was allowed to play they'd win no problem, his TvT was amazing.
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On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran?
Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though ><
double CC from Jjakji.
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On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran?
byun, hannibal are pretty good
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On January 31 2012 01:20 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though >< double CC from Jjakji.
Has Prime played Byun since the 'match-fixing' incident? I haven't been following SC2 that much.
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On January 31 2012 01:19 devPLEASE wrote:
I don't understand why Prime doesn't send out their Terrains. They keep sending out Zerg and Protons, which are both jjakji's bes match up
Prime's terran lineup is mostly MK. I have never seen anyone else playing recently, aside from Maru who is largely unknown. Byun did fall out of Code A and his skill level in the current metagame is not known either.
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On January 31 2012 01:22 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:20 Asha` wrote:On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though >< double CC from Jjakji. Has Prime played Byun since the 'match-fixing' incident? I haven't been following SC2 that much.
No, he hasn't played yet.
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On January 31 2012 01:20 spacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:
what is the grand prize for the KSL? yeah I'd like to know too. I looked on their liquipedia page but not info about prize money on the page of what I can see..
As far as I've been informed it's a prize-pool allowance of $1300/Week but I'm not sure how it's broken up for this tournament.
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On January 31 2012 01:21 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? byun, hannibal are pretty good
I doubt either of those players could take out Jjakji even if TvT is his worst MU
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On January 31 2012 01:20 spacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:
what is the grand prize for the KSL? yeah I'd like to know too. I looked on their liquipedia page but not info about prize money on the page of what I can see..
Khaldor said at the beginning of this game 1st place 1000$ (probably, he wasn´t sure, but more likely than €) and second place 300$
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On January 31 2012 01:22 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:20 Asha` wrote:On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though >< double CC from Jjakji. Has Prime played Byun since the 'match-fixing' incident? I haven't been following SC2 that much.
iirc, I saw him playing recently in ipl tac or something like that
edit: yes I remember now, it was against cloud in ipl tac 2 qualifiers
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Australia18228 Posts
On January 31 2012 01:22 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:20 Asha` wrote:On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though >< double CC from Jjakji. Has Prime played Byun since the 'match-fixing' incident? I haven't been following SC2 that much.
He's been played in other team-league events (online-foreign), but not in KSL.
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Edit: NVM, answered above.
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Did Creator forget charge? :/
Doesn't look like it mattered much. It's quite late though >_<
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jjakji forgot combat shield ;o
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These are pretty much the types of games I hate the most lol....
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United Kingdom38253 Posts
wow jjakji forgot shells and shields
painful game to watch, got to play utterly perfect vs 3 base turtle toss on daybreak
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On January 31 2012 01:25 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:22 Caesarion wrote:On January 31 2012 01:20 Asha` wrote:On January 31 2012 01:20 Bagration wrote:On January 31 2012 01:17 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 01:16 Talionis wrote:
Creator time! Bye bye NSH. JJakji has good TvP as well. As said, throw in some terrans and watch him crumble MKP has already been played. Does Prime have another top-tier Terran? Byun, still no idea if he's allowed to play in these things or not yet though >< double CC from Jjakji. Has Prime played Byun since the 'match-fixing' incident? I haven't been following SC2 that much. He's been played in other team-league events (online-foreign), but not in KSL.
Thanks. That's good then. Hope we begin seeing more of him. I miss Byun and Coca.
No combat shield!
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Jjakji. . .
Congrats to Prime, fun match.
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On January 31 2012 01:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
These are pretty much the types of games I hate the most lol....
tvp is just a terrible matchup to watch :/
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Jjakji is dead.
Nice play by Creator, really solid.
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Unless you're called Bomber, I guess passivity is not the way to go in this match-up.
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Australia18228 Posts
Prime doing much better, after putting MKP as a starter/sniper while using Creator for the ace/closer.
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Creator brings it home! Grats Prime!
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wow grats prime, I'd say that's an upset, good job guys!
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GG. Well deserved win for PRIME!
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On January 31 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
wow jjakji forgot shells and shields
painful game to watch, got to play utterly perfect vs 3 base turtle toss on daybreak
Well, you have to actually get your upgrades ^_^
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gg Prime.
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Who does Jjakji think he is??? Thorzain? :D except thorzain won his match <3 <3 <3 GO CREATOR!!!!!!!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Congrats Prime and gg Creator, showing tons of promise
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Something must've happened. You don't randomly forget two upgrades like that when literally nothing is happening and also he somehow fell behind in supply at around 120~ which like never happens. I think the lag had a part in it.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
Creator has really done so much for prime in clan wars
Hope to see him in code s soon
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Polt vs Creator is going to be fun in Code A.
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Congratulations to Prime!
Good warmup for the GSTL.
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On January 31 2012 01:31 TheDwf wrote:
Unless you're called Bomber, I guess passivity is not the way to go in this match-up.
I think he could have won that engagement in the middle hadn't he forgot combat shields and concussive shells... Sigh, NSHS players are so talented, but so prone to slips like these.
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On January 31 2012 01:31 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
wow jjakji forgot shells and shields
painful game to watch, got to play utterly perfect vs 3 base turtle toss on daybreak Well, you have to actually get your upgrades ^_^
guess u missed the 2-1 upgrades to 3-3 eh?
was meant for the first post
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On January 31 2012 01:31 OtoshimonoU wrote:
loltoss. wp gg
Lolterran didn't even have conc shells or shields...
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CreatorPrime is quite the clutch player. Curious to see when his successes will translate over to the individual leagues.
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Wow Creator with the upset. Now let's see him do that in the GSL.
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Creator dominates team leagues. I really hope he can show his true skills soon in the GSL.
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On January 31 2012 01:32 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:31 SeaSwift wrote:On January 31 2012 01:30 Asha` wrote:
wow jjakji forgot shells and shields
painful game to watch, got to play utterly perfect vs 3 base turtle toss on daybreak Well, you have to actually get your upgrades ^_^ guess u missed the 2-1 upgrades to 3-3 eh? was meant for the first post
He presumably meant shells and shields, which Asha' mentioned.
Ninja edited, nevermind >.>
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On January 31 2012 01:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Something must've happened. You don't randomly forget two upgrades like that when literally nothing is happening and also he somehow fell behind in supply at around 120~ which like never happens. I think the lag had a part in it.
Or maybe that he's human and humans make mistakes.
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On January 31 2012 01:33 Moriarty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Something must've happened. You don't randomly forget two upgrades like that when literally nothing is happening and also he somehow fell behind in supply at around 120~ which like never happens. I think the lag had a part in it. Or maybe that he's human and humans make mistakes.
no dude, he's korean. that's not allowed.
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Terrible attack by jjakji in the middle of the map with no real plan, forgot shells, level 2 armor and combat shield.
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looks like prime only needs mkp creator and bbong :D gratz!
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On January 31 2012 01:30 WigglingSquid wrote:Jjakji is dead. Nice play by Creator, really solid.
Solid? His play was risky as hell, especially as his first Observer got immediately denied... Third before Colossus while on 3 gates, dual forge while he didn't even know if JJakji was going some kind of 2-bases push (Marine/Tanks comes to mind), Colossus range finished at 14'... His blind risks paid off because JJakji was so passive (and it happened that he went dual expand), but I wouldn't call this “solid” with the zero intel he had until some point (I guess his second Observer scouted JJakji's plan).
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TvP so boring T_T
Gratz to Prime though, well played!
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On January 31 2012 01:33 Moriarty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Something must've happened. You don't randomly forget two upgrades like that when literally nothing is happening and also he somehow fell behind in supply at around 120~ which like never happens. I think the lag had a part in it. Or maybe that he's human and humans make mistakes.
A GSL champion who practices 8+ hours a day going into a matchup where you need no more than 50 apm when both players are turtling don't make bad mechanical mistakes like that for no reason.
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Congratulations to Prime! This has been a most awesome tournament, I enoyed the matches a lot. Also big thanks to Khaldor for casting this. Awesome as always.
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Great series, bit of a dissapointing final game; surprised to see such a godly player forget cshields (armour/weapons might have been intentional imo..).
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On January 31 2012 01:36 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:30 WigglingSquid wrote:Jjakji is dead. Nice play by Creator, really solid. Solid? His play was risky as hell, especially as his first Observer got immediately denied... Third before Colossus while on 3 gates, dual forge while he didn't even know if JJakji was going some kind of 2-bases push (Marine/Tanks comes to mind), Colossus range finished at 14'... His blind risks paid off because JJakji was so passive (and it happened that he went dual expand), but I wouldn't call this “solid” with the zero intel he had until some point (I guess his second Observer scouted JJakji's plan).
Khaldor didn't show it, but I think Creator actually had 3 Observers. Of those 3, two were picked off but the middle one got in and saw shit. He also saw Jjakji's MMM ball with his first Observer, so he knew anyway that there wasn't some Marine/Tank push.
Also, if you are that good, you can probably judge from the unit composition what build you opponent went, especially vs Terran where there are only a few standard 2base builds.
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On January 31 2012 01:32 devPLEASE wrote:
Wow Creator with the upset. Now let's see him do that in the GSL.
Well an upset, creator was known before jikaji when he managed to put up a fight vs IMMVP in the super tournament, and since he did really good performances in the teamleague. I would have been surprised if someone else that MKP,BongBong or creator took him down.
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On January 31 2012 01:46 SeaSwift wrote:
He also saw Jjakji's MMM ball with his first Observer.
By which time, if I remember correctly, he had already committed to his dual forge.
On January 31 2012 01:46 SeaSwift wrote:
Also, if you are that good, you can probably judge from the unit composition what build you opponent went, especially vs Terran where there are only a few standard 2base builds.
Sorry, but no Protoss in the world is able to know if the Terran went single or dual expand upon seeing some Marines killing his first Observer. For all he knew, there could be 20 unseen Marines behind. All Creator could say at this point was, “okay, JJakji is going some kind of bio play,” but anyway he had gone dual forge before that, and he still couldn't know if JJakji was planning to play standard, or dual EB, or early third, or two-bases all-in, with or without Medivacs, etc.
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He only had 3 gates (I think), but he got his robo bay very quickly. Double forge is way more solid if you get colossus quickly (the opponent can still hit a 2 or 3 minutes window). What I mean is that even if he was mostly blind, he was also mostly safe as he took his 3rd relatively late and had quick colossi.
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On January 31 2012 02:00 MrCon wrote:
He only had 3 gates (I think), but he got his robo bay very quickly. Double forge is way more solid if you get colossus quickly (the opponent can still hit a 2 or 3 minutes window). What I mean is that even if he was mostly blind, he was also mostly safe as he took his 3rd relatively late and had quick colossi.
He built his RoboBay after his third, and did not have Colossus range before the 14' mark. And 6-range Colossi are not so hot against stimmed Marauders abruptly moving forward for a quick snipe.
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France12860 Posts
I missed the games, are the vods available already?
Oh and for those who are surprised by the results, I warned you :D, Prime is in a very good shape right now, Creator is one of the best protoss out there and maybe the scariest one in teamleagues and MarineKing is a boss in teamleague again.
Their KSL victory is only the beginning
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On January 31 2012 02:27 Poopi wrote:I missed the games, are the vods available already? Oh and for those who are surprised by the results, I warned you :D, Prime is in a very good shape right now, Creator is one of the best protoss out there and maybe the scariest one in teamleagues and MarineKing is a boss in teamleague again. Their KSL victory is only the beginning
Yep, http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV.
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On January 31 2012 02:27 Poopi wrote:
I missed the games, are the vods available already?
Oh and for those who are surprised by the results, I warned you :D
Good job predicting that Jjakji would have forgot both concussive shells and combat shields. You truly are a wizard. =P
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BBoongBBoong BBoongBBoong BBoongBBoong BBoong! He's got that super bass :D
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On January 31 2012 02:37 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 02:27 Poopi wrote:
I missed the games, are the vods available already?
Oh and for those who are surprised by the results, I warned you :D Good job predicting that Jjakji would have forgot both concussive shells and combat shields. You truly are a wizard. =P
To be fair, creator forgot charge with a fuckton of zealots.
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Was there any prize money for the finals? What did Prime win?
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United States8476 Posts
Jjakji blind countered Creator's style if anything, just because Creator does pretty much the same thing every game vs Terran. 1 rax CC CC into double eng bay, slightly delayed starport is about as good a macro opening as you could have vs Creator's style.
On January 31 2012 01:36 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:30 WigglingSquid wrote:Jjakji is dead. Nice play by Creator, really solid. Solid? His play was risky as hell, especially as his first Observer got immediately denied... Third before Colossus while on 3 gates, dual forge while he didn't even know if JJakji was going some kind of 2-bases push (Marine/Tanks comes to mind), Colossus range finished at 14'... His blind risks paid off because JJakji was so passive (and it happened that he went dual expand), but I wouldn't call this “solid” with the zero intel he had until some point (I guess his second Observer scouted JJakji's plan).
Marine/tank is not very good at all on Daybreak, because of the large rush distance and the path to the natural. Therefore, it's quite common to be able to rule that out on this map.
Creator's 2nd observer also saw everything he needed to. If it saw a bio push coming, he had more than enough time to cancel the nexus and throw down a few cannons. It saw everything at 9:05. For reference, the most common bio push, the 2 ghost timing, hits a bit before 10:00 on normal maps, probably around 10:00 on Daybreak.
On January 31 2012 01:46 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:36 TheDwf wrote:On January 31 2012 01:30 WigglingSquid wrote:Jjakji is dead. Nice play by Creator, really solid. Solid? His play was risky as hell, especially as his first Observer got immediately denied... Third before Colossus while on 3 gates, dual forge while he didn't even know if JJakji was going some kind of 2-bases push (Marine/Tanks comes to mind), Colossus range finished at 14'... His blind risks paid off because JJakji was so passive (and it happened that he went dual expand), but I wouldn't call this “solid” with the zero intel he had until some point (I guess his second Observer scouted JJakji's plan). Khaldor didn't show it, but I think Creator actually had 3 Observers. Of those 3, two were picked off but the middle one got in and saw shit. He also saw Jjakji's MMM ball with his first Observer, so he knew anyway that there wasn't some Marine/Tank push. Also, if you are that good, you can probably judge from the unit composition what build you opponent went, especially vs Terran where there are only a few standard 2base builds.
Creator actually made 4 observers before any colossi, 2 of which got sniped immediately.
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EPT
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