- Best of 5 -- 4 BO1 1v1s -- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match - Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map - 7 Week Season - Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
If MorroW gets to play Terran then I would favor him over Ret. Even though Bel'Shir is good for Zerg, I think that as a fairly small two player map it also favors Terrans who are exceedingly aggressive early game (11/11 Rax is ridiculously strong on that map) and Ret is notoriously bad at defending early game aggression. 3-1 if he plays T
Ironically, I think that ThorZaIN and MaNa have the best shot at winning their matches despite being up against tougher opposition. Plus, the fact that HerO and Zenio will have to deal with the lag from Korea, I think that ThorZaIN and MaNa have a good chance at winning. Basically Liquid got the best match-ups possible for them, but I still don't know if it will be enough. I will be really interested who Liquid will play for their ace if it gets that far, though.
On January 29 2012 12:20 courtpanda wrote: ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ, TvP? only 1 mirror and 1 of each matchup with 2 of the best foreign teams? is this real life?
Huh? There are two ZvZs, between BiGs/Sheth and Ret/MorroW.
On January 29 2012 12:20 courtpanda wrote: ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ, TvP? only 1 mirror and 1 of each matchup with 2 of the best foreign teams? is this real life?
Huh? There are two ZvZs, between BiGs/Sheth and Ret/MorroW.
On January 29 2012 12:20 courtpanda wrote: ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ, TvP? only 1 mirror and 1 of each matchup with 2 of the best foreign teams? is this real life?
Huh? There are two ZvZs, between BiGs/Sheth and Ret/MorroW.
MorroW TvZs
Riiight I forgot about that. Going to be some sick matches.
On January 29 2012 12:20 courtpanda wrote: ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ, TvP? only 1 mirror and 1 of each matchup with 2 of the best foreign teams? is this real life?
Huh? There are two ZvZs, between BiGs/Sheth and Ret/MorroW.
MorroW TvZs
Though, since teams send their players without knowing which player the other team is sending, maybe MorroW 'has' to ZvZ too. I didn't read the NASTL rules though, but that's what I'm thinking.
biGs may be able to beat Sheth and I actually think he will. He did beat Snute in the qualifiers for IEM Sao Paulo which is pretty impressive and beat LiveZerg already in this tournament.
MaNa > Zenio
Sure, Zenio beat Naniwa at Kiev. Naniwa also hasn't beat a Zerg in ages. But he also barely beat NightEnd. I think Mana's PvZ is better than both those players. This could be a very close match though.
MorroW < Ret
Doesn't really matter what race Morrow has to play. Pretty sure this is his worst matchup, so Ret should take it fairly easily.
ThorZaIN > HerO
Hero's been slumping at LANs and now he'll have lag to deal with too, while Thorzain is an absolute beast in team leagues.
On January 29 2012 12:20 courtpanda wrote: ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ, TvP? only 1 mirror and 1 of each matchup with 2 of the best foreign teams? is this real life?
Huh? There are two ZvZs, between BiGs/Sheth and Ret/MorroW.
MorroW TvZs
Though, since teams send their players without knowing which player the other team is sending, maybe MorroW 'has' to ZvZ too. I didn't read the NASTL rules though, but that's what I'm thinking.
It's not like MorroW decides whether or not to play Terran or Zerg versus zerg. He ALWAYS plays Terran vs Zerg, unless the rules are against it. It's one of his "three" matchups.
It's like if they put in a fulltime zerg. The match will have to be ZvZ. But putting MorroW in, he's gonna be TvZ, Terran is his "zerg" in that matchup. It's just what he always does. So I don't think it breaks any special team rules.
I don't think it will break any general rules either, as they did allow him to be terran when he faced off against IdrA in Season 2.
Hmm, ThorZaIN will probably win vs HerO if he multi-tasks correctly and micros well. However, HerO can maybe catch ThorZaIN off-guard with a proxy 2 gate or 4 gate. I give ThorZaIN the advantage though, 65% - 35%.
EDIT: Also, Ret > MorroW, Ret pretty good at ZvT. Sheth > biGs, unless biGs can find a chink in the armor of the Manner Bear, then he might win. MaNa > Zenio, mostly delay, but MaNa really, really intelligent play lately. (save vs Destiny)
Sheth should be able to beat Bigs handily unless he's out of shape gamewise Mana looked extremely uncomfortable on TDA ZvP against Destiny-and zenio is definitely better then destiny :p Ret will probably beat morrow-i don't think Morrow will be able to take out ret with an early cheese, especially considering how well he held off Theognis in LvQXG. And if morrow goes for a macro game, the drone farmer should be able to beat him.
However, If it gets past the first three sets, unfortunately liquid might not make it. Thorzain will probably take out Hero unless a weird-butt cheese/timing is pulled out. Hero's recent losses to puma probably won't help his confidence in PvT, especially against the spoon terran.
Ace match will probably be really bloody close. If Mouz can get a good matchup for Mana/Thorzain/Morrow, they could probably take it. However, as long as Hero doesn't get matched up against Tzain he should be fine (alternatively, Zenio could probably take down anybody on Mouz).
On January 29 2012 13:04 Active.815 wrote: Hmm... I really think Liquid' is gonna 3-0
Sheth should be able to beat Bigs handily unless he's out of shape gamewise Mana looked extremely uncomfortable on TDA ZvP against Destiny-and zenio is definitely better then destiny :p Ret will probably beat morrow-i don't think Morrow will be able to take out ret with an early cheese, especially considering how well he held off Theognis in LvQXG. And if morrow goes for a macro game, the drone farmer should be able to beat him.
However, If it gets past the first three sets, unfortunately liquid might not make it. Thorzain will probably take out Hero unless a weird-butt cheese/timing is pulled out. Hero's recent losses to puma probably won't help his confidence in PvT, especially against the spoon terran.
Ace match will probably be really bloody close. If Mouz can get a good matchup for Mana/Thorzain/Morrow, they could probably take it. However, as long as Hero doesn't get matched up against Tzain he should be fine (alternatively, Zenio could probably take down anybody on Mouz).
What is this "weird-butt cheese" you speak of? Gave me a chuckle
biGs hasn't been getting much attention for how well I have seen him play, so taking down Sheth wouldn't be the most surprising thing, but I will still predict 3-1 for TL with Thorzain beating HerO. Unfortunately Mana drew zerg.
I'm pretty sure Hero is the favourite vs Thorzain, especially on Antiga which is his best PvT map.
He hasn't been playing his best lately, but then again neither has Thorzain. But Hero's problems have constantly been nerves, and this being an online match should mitigate these somewhat as there is no live setting, audience etc.
And Ret really should not screw up a ZvT on Bel'Shir against a part-time Terran.
So it comes down to whether Sheth or Zenio can take their games for Liquid.
Could be a straight 3-0 by TL. MaNa has problems with good zergs (he is way to passive) Ret... well if his macro doesn't slip he can take Morrow Sheth Bigs is a no brainer. Especially after his games versus kas.
I wouldn't mind knowing the rule on people like Morrow who race pick.... in a format where you put them in blindly it almost seems to me that he should have to pick a race before hand. If he was random player I would think differently...
This should be fun. I feel like there is a lot on the line in terms of pride after mouz called out TL multiple times when the " 2011 TL awards " was posted.
I'm a huge Mouz fan, but they may lose this, Liquid is a great team and they got pretty damn lucky with the draw (Mana vZ is not good, Morrow vs Ret is also lucky, Morrow's worst vs Ret's best) so they shouldn't be dismissed easily. Sheth > biGs Zenio > Mana Ret > Morrow Hero < Thorzain So Mouz could just lose 3 - 0, hopefully one of the first three can make an upset, but this could be tricky.
On January 29 2012 13:04 Active.815 wrote: Hmm... I really think Liquid' is gonna 3-0
Sheth should be able to beat Bigs handily unless he's out of shape gamewise Mana looked extremely uncomfortable on TDA ZvP against Destiny-and zenio is definitely better then destiny :p Ret will probably beat morrow-i don't think Morrow will be able to take out ret with an early cheese, especially considering how well he held off Theognis in LvQXG. And if morrow goes for a macro game, the drone farmer should be able to beat him.
However, If it gets past the first three sets, unfortunately liquid might not make it. Thorzain will probably take out Hero unless a weird-butt cheese/timing is pulled out. Hero's recent losses to puma probably won't help his confidence in PvT, especially against the spoon terran.
Ace match will probably be really bloody close. If Mouz can get a good matchup for Mana/Thorzain/Morrow, they could probably take it. However, as long as Hero doesn't get matched up against Tzain he should be fine (alternatively, Zenio could probably take down anybody on Mouz).
Ret's play against theognis really showed Ret's weakness to early game pressure. theognis was way ahead after that 2 Rax, had he expanded and played straight up against Ret, he would have been in a far better spot. Instead theognis played absolutely terribly and went for an awful build. MorroW (even if TvZ is his worst Match-up) has much better decision making and has more confidence than theognis. Plus, if there is anything about Bel'Shir Beach that "favors" Terran, it's the fact that 2 Rax is super strong on it. Ret is still really bad at defending early pressure, MorroW is a lot better than you're making him out to be, and Bel'Shir Beach happens to be the best map for 11/11 Rax.
I cant understand where all the "Liquid will win easily " comes from. They seem to underperform in Team leagues (sadly) while mousseports constantly shows top results in clan wars. Will be a great match nevertheless!
Mouz could not have chosen worse players even if they knew the opponents :O MaNa v Z, Infested Terran v Ret and ThorZaIN v Protoss (which is his worst MU atm if I am not mistaken), don't know about BiGs though. Still seeing MorroW and Tzain winning because of MorroW hopefully practicing with NSH zergs
On January 30 2012 04:11 Bagration wrote: Very lucky draws by liquid in this series. I guess it makes up for them being matched up first against col-MVP ipl tac
Not luck when you have an ace match-up sniper like Bumblebee!
wow ret vs morrow, 150 drones on each side before a ling will be build ! edit: right morrow doesn't like zvz. Would be funny if ret would still switch like he did in bw and morrow does now. Wonder how that would look then. For both teams, so i want a draw ! would have loved to see an hasu pvp, but oh well. Go both teams !
oh gretorp. when you're going to be on camera you should shower and comb your hair. not wear a hat all day so it's greasy and matted down.
i like mouz, liquid has been under performing lately. i wish jinro would start winning again. i've beenwatching his stream lately and his play has been uninspired.
On January 30 2012 09:18 Micket wrote: Love the NASTL format. Makes the game more team based rather than 'lol I have flash/jaedong/mma/drg'.
I dont understand what your point is here considering bw proleague is not winners style. I guess you can make a point with flash since hes a free win and kt just needs to win 2/4 games.
On January 30 2012 09:18 Micket wrote: Love the NASTL format. Makes the game more team based rather than 'lol I have flash/jaedong/mma/drg'.
I dont understand what your point is here considering bw proleague is not winners style. I guess you can make a point with flash since hes a free win and kt just needs to win 2/4 games.
BW has traditionally had a round of winner's style annually in proleague
On January 30 2012 11:26 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: I don't mind ads between every set, but five ads in a row while a game is on? NASL, I've bought your tickets for two seasons, play nice
Oh my god such a sick build. Fake hydra ling all in to for colussi but he already had spire on the way. Hes playing like a protoss, forcing mana to play reactivly to him. fucking koreans lol.
On January 30 2012 11:39 JJH777 wrote: No way Hero loses against Thorzain either so this series is over IMO.
Liquid is looking to take this, but I would definitely not say that Hero is certainly going to win against Thorzain. But Morrow and Thorzain are going to have to play some really good SC2 to force it to an ace match.
Map > Mana. Zenio played really well though. This might be a 3-0 unfortunately, I really want to see thorzain play. I dont know why, but I dont think Morrow can beat Ret, but hopefully he proves me wrong.
I don't know why you would send a Protoss on that map now. Impossible to play against mutas on such a big map, essentially means a 4gate/4gate with another Protoss and that cliff makes 111 very potent vs Terran.
I don't really understand why mana doesn't build cannons as he scouts the spire. They're usually so effective in adding dps and gaining a few important seconds when fighting mutas.
PLZ MORROW win so we can see Hero vs Thorzain. The only match really worth seeing other than Sheth's to see how his ZvZ is coming along. And it seems like its still continuing to improve. Watching Mutas win in PvZ is getting so tiresome now. There is no counter. Storms are too slow and they are too fast moving out of it taking little to no damage. I suppose archons would have helped. Zenio defended greatly tho against Mana's WP play which was executed seemingly at a perfect time at multiple angles. Dat Muta tho... dat damn muta.....
On January 30 2012 11:41 Dexington wrote: I don't know why you would send a Protoss on that map now. Impossible to play against mutas on such a big map, essentially means a 4gate/4gate with another Protoss and that cliff makes 111 very potent vs Terran.
maybe protoss will have to abandon robotech and go quick archon pressure?
On January 30 2012 11:39 JJH777 wrote: No way Hero loses against Thorzain either so this series is over IMO.
historically thorzain beats hero :o
That was a long time ago. Way too much has changed since then. Terran was at like 60%+ in the matchup now it seems to be approaching the opposite. Protoss has gotten buffed and the metagame has changed a ton. Thorzain has also been losing to some mediocre Protoss players lately as well.
Mass muta PvZ is unstoppable on Tal'darim Altar. There's quite some examples of it.
Taking a 3rd base is allready a pain but taking a 4th is 100% impossible vs the mass muta style on Tal'darim for Protoss. But I guess that's one of the reasons why GSL doesn't use the map anymore.
note: I don't mean that muta style in general is unbeatable. Just on Tal'Darim it's insanely good.
Wow... just noticed the matchups... They kinda seem like mouz said "well, Liquid, choose which players and maps you want". I really can't see the logic, what were they thinking I wonder (besides mana vs zenio(still, tal'darim...)).
On January 30 2012 11:49 Havefaith wrote: That was brutal... how could someone who plays at such a high level not account for the terran doing 2 rax /w bunkers...
Gretorp says some of the dumbest things. Bel'Shir Beach is the best map for 11/11. You can wall off denying any scouting with your first Rax and Depot and then float your second rax like MorroW did. Plus, it's 2 spawn so you don't need to scout. Sometimes I really doubt what Gretorp knows about the match-up....
That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Except the terrans resources can still find use. And with a bunker or 2 near the entrance to the nat Ret needs to make like 8banes and 20 lings to break out to take his expo.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Nice standard timing by Thorzain. Really need better tech than what Hero had to stop that.
He's damn lucky though. This build has zero detection, so he would've gotten rolled by cloaked banshees like his series against Polt. And Hero really likes it on this map so it's possible to metagame him.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Lol no it doesn't.
You've obviously never seen Losira play against terran. He damn near wins ever game where he loses his natural hatchery. Do you even play Zerg?
On January 30 2012 12:03 Shellshock1122 wrote: was it just me or was that some odd positioning by hero?
it looked like he put up forcefields to cut off the army but because of lag or something it got completely botched. so he lost all his archons for nothing.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Lol no it doesn't.
You've obviously never seen Losira play against terran. He damn near wins ever game where he loses his natural hatchery. Do you even play Zerg?
I play Zerg and its almost no chance of winning the match after u lost ur natural since u never have the larva enuff 2 counter Terrans mass marines even if u get banes whit speed.
On January 30 2012 12:02 mrtomjones wrote: the lag in this game is painful.... FFs for no reason etc :/
I have a feeling those were preemptive ffs in case tzains army tried to rush heros army while hero was managing his warp prism drop/warp in at tzains main.
How did hero end up being behind so much? I came back and they werent even 10 minutes in and thorzain was miles ahead? Just because of the earlier expansion?
why the f did he keep running behind that choke? I mean zealots need a big surface area to surround the Terran bio and he just losing stuffs for free. Just scarified that nexus man.
Hero was trying his best, with ffs and stalling to buy time for higher collossus count+range guys... he knew he had no chance in a direct confrontation.
wtf? who is observing, how can you miss the deciding engagement to check on a solitary zealot? the archons were approaching the ff's, moving into emp range and we jump back to the T-zain's base to see one zealot die?
what was the deal with those force fields? were his sentries just that far behind his army that they casted them late, like when they dropped 2 of 3 ff's on the archons, or is it lag? where are they playing from, and on what server? if it's lag, that sucks to have so much lag in such a cool tournament.
On January 30 2012 12:04 -y0shi- wrote: How did hero end up being behind so much? I came back and they werent even 10 minutes in and thorzain was miles ahead? Just because of the earlier expansion?
According to Khaldor, Thorzain was ahead in upgrades too.
The unit composition of Thorzain's was stronger as well. He always plays so... smart.
On January 30 2012 12:03 Shellshock1122 wrote: was it just me or was that some odd positioning by hero?
Extemely odd. FFs Thorzain army back...but then walks all 4 archones directly infront of Thorzains army so he loses them all and does no damage.. Army consists of a ton of zealots, and then he moves behind minerals to block his units from attacking...
It was looking alright for him too, given how much faster he got his 3rd up.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Lol no it doesn't.
You've obviously never seen Losira play against terran. He damn near wins ever game where he loses his natural hatchery. Do you even play Zerg?
I play Zerg and its almost no chance of winning the match after u lost ur natural since u never have the larva enuff 2 counter Terrans mass marines even if u get banes whit speed.
1. So you never saw Losira. 2. You are obviously not a Masters Zerg because I lose my Hatch all the time to bunker rushes and win the game. 3. Remember 11 11 followed by bunkers is an economy weak build. your 15 hatch 16 pool will have more money in the intermediate term.
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote: How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?
Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.
Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote: How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?
Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.
Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?
Hero's build is extremely greedy and meant to gain map control, so it skips standard production for a fast third and blink (I imagine it is supposed to feign 4 gate pressure). Thorzain did a standard two medivac push with stim and wiped out most of Hero's army, and from there he just got more stuff.
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote: How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?
Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.
Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?
Yea, that was really weird...considering HerO got his 3rd up first. The entire time, Thorzain was ahead in supplies. Thorzain is a macro monster.
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Lol no it doesn't.
You've obviously never seen Losira play against terran. He damn near wins ever game where he loses his natural hatchery. Do you even play Zerg?
I play Zerg and its almost no chance of winning the match after u lost ur natural since u never have the larva enuff 2 counter Terrans mass marines even if u get banes whit speed.
1. So you never saw Losira. 2. You are obviously not a Masters Zerg because I lose my Hatch all the time to bunker rushes and win the game. 3. Remember 11 11 followed by bunkers is an economy weak build. your 15 hatch 16 pool will have more money in the intermediate term.
No i havent seenlosira much... and no im not master but think a bit the bunker if they got salvaged it only cost u 25minerals.. if u loose hatch its 300minerals.. and not 2 count all the drones u loose also.. while T has mules and almost always loose 3-4 scv @ most.. IMO its no point of trying playing the game.. But hey i always leave when i get cheesed.
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote: How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?
Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.
Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?
Hero's build is extremely greedy and meant to gain map control, so it skips standard production for a fast third and blink (I imagine it is supposed to feign 4 gate pressure). Thorzain did a standard two medivac push with stim and wiped out most of Hero's army, and from there he just got more stuff.
What confuses me is that thorzain was up 15? supply when hero started building his 3rd
On January 30 2012 11:51 scaban84 wrote: That was dumb. Couldnt he have just gave up the hatch and continue wit his build? I mean it costs the terrans an equivalent of resources for that rush.
Lol no it doesn't.
You've obviously never seen Losira play against terran. He damn near wins ever game where he loses his natural hatchery. Do you even play Zerg?
I play Zerg and its almost no chance of winning the match after u lost ur natural since u never have the larva enuff 2 counter Terrans mass marines even if u get banes whit speed.
1. So you never saw Losira. 2. You are obviously not a Masters Zerg because I lose my Hatch all the time to bunker rushes and win the game. 3. Remember 11 11 followed by bunkers is an economy weak build. your 15 hatch 16 pool will have more money in the intermediate term.
No i havent seenlosira much... and no im not master but think a bit the bunker if they got salvaged it only cost u 25minerals.. if u loose hatch its 300minerals.. and not 2 count all the drones u loose also.. while T has mules and almost always loose 3-4 scv @ most.. IMO its no point of trying playing the game.. But hey i always leave when i get cheesed.
I don't think that guy has watched Losira much either. He loses so bunker rushes all the time. In fact he has a 45% vT win rate
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote: How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?
Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.
Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?
Hero's build is extremely greedy and meant to gain map control, so it skips standard production for a fast third and blink (I imagine it is supposed to feign 4 gate pressure). Thorzain did a standard two medivac push with stim and wiped out most of Hero's army, and from there he just got more stuff.
What confuses me is that thorzain was up 15? supply when hero started building his 3rd
Hero put down his twilight council extremely quickly, just after his 2nd and 3rd gates. And he cut his production severely to get a high enough probe count and the third.
Ite ThorZaIN got the cheese out of his system. The Spoon tolls for thee Ret. Prepare for a thousand lashes of Spoon. ThorZaIN turning on Overdrive time.
So happy liquid won there, I was flipping tables when Mouz was making the comeback. When those crawlers went down i was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Blunders on both sides there... after his initial hold, Ret lost a ton of lings when he could've attacked rax and Thorzain's main and won there probably/ Not sure how he held so well in his main vs. the marines though, but ok.
On January 30 2012 12:03 Darkhoarse wrote: this tournament format is sooooo dumb. why do this when every other team tourney follows the same format?
Why do the same format as everyone else?
Because it quite obviously works... ever heard of the GSTL? that format works pretty well i've heard.
And this one doesn't? All it doesn't allow for is for you to pick your opponent. Oh no.
Part of the strategy of team leagues is the ability to pick your counter to an opposing player. That is why teams with perhaps less overall skill, such as Prime, can make it to the GSTL finals over teams like IM, due to better strategy and player choosing. I like that more then just lets match up some players and have at it. Sue me.
On January 30 2012 12:15 HuKPOWA wrote: would have liked to see an earlier baneling nest and a few more spines :\
? He started the baneling nest as soon as he scouted the mass rax, going for banelings nest that early without using it to counter mass rax would hurt your economy, and spines lose cost efficiency at a certain point, Ret struck the right balance and pulled it off ^^
On January 30 2012 12:03 Darkhoarse wrote: this tournament format is sooooo dumb. why do this when every other team tourney follows the same format?
Why do the same format as everyone else?
Because it quite obviously works... ever heard of the GSTL? that format works pretty well i've heard.
You're implying that this format doesn't work?
This format was used for more than five years in BW Proleague, and it's a great standard and staple format. The all-kill format (what GSTL and IPL TAC use) is a good format as well, but it doesn't allow for the kind of intense preparation the Ace match format does.
They both work. If you don't like this format, then that's really just you. I prefer the Ace format. OH NO.
Ret right-click the medic instead of killing hellions ASAP. Too bad I don't understand why, medivac can't heal them and there're too many units to run away.
I think I know how to describe that game, in the words of Startale Bomber, "Oh, Marine Imba!". Lol But really, Ret made some mistakes with that opening drop and never recovered. pulling for him to win in G3!
On January 30 2012 12:16 Jisall wrote: Ite ThorZaIN got the cheese out of his system. The Spoon tolls for thee Ret. Prepare for a thousand lashes of Spoon. ThorZaIN turning on Overdrive time.
So last night when i left work it was 1-1 in the ace match and then I forgot to check the results when I got home. I am pleasantly surprised by the results as Mouz has always been pretty beastly in team leagues. Team Liquid Swarm fighting!
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ThorZaIN < ESV Ohana RE > 
Ret![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/ch.png)
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MaNa![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/kr.png)
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painful groan there.. GG ZENIO!
