EPT[GSTL] 2012 Season 1 Day 1 - Page 5
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:20 IMoperator wrote: that sounds mostly like random luck then. It's not really random luck since you still have to play and win your game, and being Bo1, it is still anyone's game to win even if they get matched up against MVP or Nestea. The advantage of Proleague format is that you are for SURE getting more exposure for each team, and that the skill of the entire team matters much much more than those 1-2 man team (for example, DRG all killing like half the matches, etc). In effect, it's much more representative of a team's strength as a whole. | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
 . If my insomnia strikes again, I'll be here watching with you guys!Go FXO!!! | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:20 IMoperator wrote: that sounds mostly like random luck then. no you pick your most rounded players, coaching has a big role in proleague since they determine lineup you give new players a shot typically in the first 2 games, your reliable players play games 3 and 4 and then ace = best winrate overall on your team. then again now there is no ace in this years proleague for instance for IM: IMseed IMyonghwa IMLosira IMMVP IMMVP/IMNestea would be the lineup you would see the first two are likely interchangeable for any IM players, losira is a very solid 3rd man out in proleague format, he's good in pretty much any matchup, and reliable enough to win a game the majority of the time if the pressure is on him. MVP is good enough to continue the streak in game 4, if the team needs him, he's incredibly reliable and game 4's are required wins for teams that get to them and MVP fits that, and if they managed to beat MVP game 4, depending on who they think will be the ace, they send neatea or MVP back out. does that make sense? the fact of the matter is Proleague format makes sure the best team wins consistantly. yeah flash gives his team an incredible advantage and this season pretty a free win every time, but the rest of his team needs to be there. if BW proleague was all kill, KT would send out flash. and based on how he is doing this season, win. Proleague format also makes individuals winrates more consistant with how good they are. in GSTL, unless you win 5 games in a row, you are guaranteed a loss just for going out first. it also makes things like bisu's stupid amount of proleague wins last season MEAN something, he didn't just destroy ACE in an all kill a few times, he dominated consistantly against every team. | ||
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GodOfWar
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:31 PrinceXizor wrote: no you pick your most rounded players, coaching has a big role in proleague since they determine lineup you give new players a shot typically in the first 2 games, your reliable players play games 3 and 4 and then ace = best winrate overall on your team. then again now there is no ace in this years proleague for instance for IM: IMseed IMyonghwa IMLosira IMMVP IMMVP/IMNestea would be the lineup you would see the first two are likely interchangeable for any IM players, losira is a very solid 3rd man out in proleague format, he's good in pretty much any matchup, and reliable enough to win a game the majority of the time if the pressure is on him. MVP is good enough to continue the streak in game 4, if the team needs him, he's incredibly reliable and game 4's are required wins for teams that get to them and MVP fits that, and if they managed to beat MVP game 4, depending on who they think will be the ace, they send neatea or MVP back out. does that make sense? the fact of the matter is Proleague format makes sure the best team wins consistantly. yeah flash gives his team an incredible advantage and this season pretty a free win every time, but the rest of his team needs to be there. if BW proleague was all kill, KT would send out flash. and based on how he is doing this season, win. Proleague format also makes individuals winrates more consistant with how good they are. in GSTL, unless you win 5 games in a row, you are guaranteed a loss just for going out first. it also makes things like bisu's stupid amount of proleague wins last season MEAN something, he didn't just destroy ACE in an all kill a few times, he dominated consistantly against every team. Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total. | ||
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:43 Greggle wrote: Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total. and then there were Jaedongs slumps being brought up by overwork. he carried OZ for a few seasons, then had a slump and then had to go back to carrying. all kill formats are exciting, and i don't necessarily think it's a bad format, but it's definitely not as good for the players/teams. it's mostly for the viewers. you don't build a team by having everyone hold up the best player, you build a team by everyone supporting eachother, bearing equal weight, the strong hold up the weak, ect. thats why proleague format is so good, at least to me. | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
@Seeker: Maybe you can add the lineups of the teams. It's always nice to go through the roster. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:49 KiNGxXx wrote: Too many SlayerS fanboys! Go FXO! @Seeker: Maybe you can add the lineups of the teams. It's always nice to go through the roster. How? EDIT: You mean the way IPL does it? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
yes, but in spoilers maybe so they take up less space seeker fighting! | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
On January 27 2012 17:02 opterown wrote: yes, but in spoilers maybe so they take up less space seeker fighting! I'll do it for next GSTL then. Thanks for the support | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
On January 27 2012 16:27 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: Anyone know if MC will be able to enter the series in any way? SK's not even in this GSTL/he officially left oGs so I highly doubt it T-T | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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jojo311
Australia903 Posts
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On January 27 2012 17:12 SeaSwift wrote: SK should just make their own team. Have MC all-kill Zenex and replace them as a one-man all-kill squad. Or get MKP and play with MC, MKP and Reis in Lineup all the time, now that would be epic. | ||
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