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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
January 27 2012 08:16 GMT
#101
On January 27 2012 17:14 GodOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 17:12 SeaSwift wrote:
SK should just make their own team. Have MC all-kill Zenex and replace them as a one-man all-kill squad.


Or get MKP and play with MC, MKP and Reis in Lineup all the time, now that would be epic.


Nonononono. Have MC play as the squad. Then, when he's not playing, MKP/Reis can cast the GSTL together!
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
January 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#102
On January 27 2012 16:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 16:43 Greggle wrote:


Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total.

and then there were Jaedongs slumps being brought up by overwork.

he carried OZ for a few seasons, then had a slump and then had to go back to carrying.

all kill formats are exciting, and i don't necessarily think it's a bad format, but it's definitely not as good for the players/teams. it's mostly for the viewers. you don't build a team by having everyone hold up the best player, you build a team by everyone supporting eachother, bearing equal weight, the strong hold up the weak, ect. thats why proleague format is so good, at least to me.


I agree, it takes away some of the glamour from the team league. In BW Proleague was the most prestigious tournament, but in SC2 it seems like a fun thing on the side (though I do enjoy it far more). I think GSTL loses a lot of its clout because of all-kills and carries. So many series would have been much closer, and there would be a lot more pride on the line for the teams. If GSTL wants to be the premier team league they should switch.

All Kill format does have a place though, I do enjoy it. Luckily NASTL and IPL use it though, so everyone can be happy if GSTL switches.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
EminentJonFrost
Profile Joined June 2011
8 Posts
January 27 2012 08:26 GMT
#103
On January 27 2012 10:06 Seeker wrote:
I'll be honest...... this looks like shit to me.... and IDK how to make it better :[


Well as someone who came in here with no learned sense of TL's layout of stuff, I found it easy to find what I wanted.

So it can't be that bad.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
January 27 2012 08:27 GMT
#104
On January 27 2012 17:26 EminentJonFrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:06 Seeker wrote:
I'll be honest...... this looks like shit to me.... and IDK how to make it better :[


Well as someone who came in here with no learned sense of TL's layout of stuff, I found it easy to find what I wanted.

So it can't be that bad.


that was hours ago when it did look like total shit,now it looks much much better.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
January 27 2012 08:30 GMT
#105
On January 27 2012 17:26 EminentJonFrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:06 Seeker wrote:
I'll be honest...... this looks like shit to me.... and IDK how to make it better :[


Well as someone who came in here with no learned sense of TL's layout of stuff, I found it easy to find what I wanted.

So it can't be that bad.

What you're seeing now is the final draft after many edits

When I first did it it looked abysmal
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
January 27 2012 08:33 GMT
#106
On January 27 2012 17:23 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 16:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:43 Greggle wrote:


Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total.

and then there were Jaedongs slumps being brought up by overwork.

he carried OZ for a few seasons, then had a slump and then had to go back to carrying.

all kill formats are exciting, and i don't necessarily think it's a bad format, but it's definitely not as good for the players/teams. it's mostly for the viewers. you don't build a team by having everyone hold up the best player, you build a team by everyone supporting eachother, bearing equal weight, the strong hold up the weak, ect. thats why proleague format is so good, at least to me.


I agree, it takes away some of the glamour from the team league. In BW Proleague was the most prestigious tournament, but in SC2 it seems like a fun thing on the side (though I do enjoy it far more). I think GSTL loses a lot of its clout because of all-kills and carries. So many series would have been much closer, and there would be a lot more pride on the line for the teams. If GSTL wants to be the premier team league they should switch.

All Kill format does have a place though, I do enjoy it. Luckily NASTL and IPL use it though, so everyone can be happy if GSTL switches.


NASTL uses proleague format btw! Good to see the GSTL back again, I think FXO has a good shot today.
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
January 27 2012 08:34 GMT
#107
So is MC going to work with oGs for GSTL or anything like that?
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 27 2012 08:34 GMT
#108
On January 27 2012 17:23 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 16:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:43 Greggle wrote:


Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total.

and then there were Jaedongs slumps being brought up by overwork.

he carried OZ for a few seasons, then had a slump and then had to go back to carrying.

all kill formats are exciting, and i don't necessarily think it's a bad format, but it's definitely not as good for the players/teams. it's mostly for the viewers. you don't build a team by having everyone hold up the best player, you build a team by everyone supporting eachother, bearing equal weight, the strong hold up the weak, ect. thats why proleague format is so good, at least to me.


I agree, it takes away some of the glamour from the team league. In BW Proleague was the most prestigious tournament, but in SC2 it seems like a fun thing on the side (though I do enjoy it far more). I think GSTL loses a lot of its clout because of all-kills and carries. So many series would have been much closer, and there would be a lot more pride on the line for the teams. If GSTL wants to be the premier team league they should switch.

All Kill format does have a place though, I do enjoy it. Luckily NASTL and IPL use it though, so everyone can be happy if GSTL switches.


Was Proleague really more prestigious than an OSL? GSTL going with other format might be a good change, although i really like the idea of player snipers. How does that play out in PL? All I know is that there's potentially an ace match where a player can make a repeat appearance, but I'm not sure if that always happens or if it has to be even. Seeing more players would be a definite pro.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 27 2012 08:35 GMT
#109
MMA for the all kill, back to where it all started.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 08:42:18
January 27 2012 08:38 GMT
#110
On January 27 2012 17:23 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 16:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:43 Greggle wrote:


Well said. I wouldn't mind switching to proleague because I hate carries. Yeah, Jaedong carried Oz for forever, but it wasn't nearly as bad as DRG carrying MVP the past 2 team leagues. The entire rest of MVP was completely awful throughout all of group play, getting I think 3 wins total.

and then there were Jaedongs slumps being brought up by overwork.

he carried OZ for a few seasons, then had a slump and then had to go back to carrying.

all kill formats are exciting, and i don't necessarily think it's a bad format, but it's definitely not as good for the players/teams. it's mostly for the viewers. you don't build a team by having everyone hold up the best player, you build a team by everyone supporting eachother, bearing equal weight, the strong hold up the weak, ect. thats why proleague format is so good, at least to me.


I agree, it takes away some of the glamour from the team league. In BW Proleague was the most prestigious tournament, but in SC2 it seems like a fun thing on the side (though I do enjoy it far more). I think GSTL loses a lot of its clout because of all-kills and carries. So many series would have been much closer, and there would be a lot more pride on the line for the teams. If GSTL wants to be the premier team league they should switch.

All Kill format does have a place though, I do enjoy it. Luckily NASTL and IPL use it though, so everyone can be happy if GSTL switches.


For GOM, I think they do intend for the GSTL to be a side-event for the up and comers of the teams to shine, since they recently removed the exposure of Code A and made it hard to get into Code S. An all-kill format is the best way for newer players to get recognized, seeing as how players like Taeja, Curious, Hack, Jjakji, Sage first received fame from getting 3-4 kills or other players like MMA/DRG coming out as the ace to take out better players like MC/MVP/NesTea.

EDIT: Livestream/KPOP is up, btw!
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
January 27 2012 08:42 GMT
#111
KPOP?

WHAT SONG IS THIS?!!? I NEED SOMEONE DOING THEM!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#112
What an awesome banner.........!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
January 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#113
Artist: G.Na

Song: Black and White
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
January 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#114
GSTL! Fuck Yeah!
icouldcareless
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
January 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#115
Haven't seen G.Na's Black and White since like Open Season 3?
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
January 27 2012 08:45 GMT
#116


T-ara Lovey Dovey Zombie Version
Maruprime.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 08:46:21
January 27 2012 08:46 GMT
#117
EDIT: nvm
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
January 27 2012 08:47 GMT
#118
Seriously don't understand using this song for a Zombie MV

MAKES NO EFFING SENSE CONSIDERING THE LYRICS!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
January 27 2012 08:47 GMT
#119
On January 27 2012 17:34 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
So is MC going to work with oGs for GSTL or anything like that?


He left oGs so i doubt it.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 27 2012 08:49 GMT
#120
I will be so upset if they don't use MMA.
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