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[IPL TAC2] Quantic vs. Mousesports (Day 4)

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IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 23:48:40
January 25 2012 18:30 GMT
#1
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The time has come for our next Winners Round 1 match of the IGN Pro League Team Arena Challenge 2!


[image loading]IPL Team Arena Challenge 2


IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 General Discussion


Bracket: Official IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 Bracket


Stream Link: http://www.ign.com/ipl


When: Friday, Jan 27 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Jan 27 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))



Format

This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 1. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!




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Quantic Gaming
Apocalypse
flo
theognis
Shuffle
DarkCell
Zelniq
Destiny
Agh
Naniwa
SaSe
iNkA

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Mousesports
ThorZaIN
HeRoMaRinE
MorroW
biGs
HasuObs
MaNa


The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Friday, Jan 27 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Jan 27 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))


Poll: Who Will Win?!

Mousesports (127)
 
66%

Quantic (66)
 
34%

193 total votes

Your vote: Who Will Win?!

(Vote): Mousesports
(Vote): Quantic




Results!

+ Show Spoiler [Quantic vs. Mousesports Results] +
theognis < Shattered Temple > HasuObs
Destiny < Shakuras Plateau > HasuObs
Destiny < Tal'Darim Altar > MaNa
Destiny < Antiga Shipyard > ThorZaIN
Agh < Daybreak > ThorZaIN
Naniwa < Calm Before the Storm > ThorZaIN
SaSe < Darkness Falls > ThorZaIN
SaSe < Atlantis Spaceship > biGs
SaSe < Sanshorn Mist AE > MorroW
Congratulations to Mousesports for winning 5-4! They move on to WR2 while Quantic falls to LR1.


For those interested, the YouTube playlist can be found here for this series: Quantic vs Mouz bo9 - IPL TAC2 WR1



Map List

Terminus SE
Darkness Falls
Sanshorn Mist
Atlantis Spaceship
Shakuras Plateau
Calm Before the Storm
Shattered Temple
Antiga Shipyard (Cross Only)
Daybreak
Tal’Darim Altar

All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!

The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.



Casters

This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, Doa, HDStarCraft, PainUser, and/or AskJoshy!




Viewer Prizes!
Each night we will be giving away IPL merchandise on the stream, so tune in and participate for your chance to win!



Stay up to date with IPL 4 Qualifiers, IPL TV, IPL Fight Club, and IPL Team Arena Challenge by
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JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1357 Posts
January 25 2012 18:32 GMT
#2
Hm with Apocalypse, Sase and Naniwa its hard to call but I would say Mousesports overall
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
January 25 2012 18:33 GMT
#3
I just hope there is a Thorzain vs Naniwa.
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[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
January 25 2012 18:35 GMT
#4
I simply give the favour to Quantic because it is an all-kill format, with players like SaSe and NaNiwa, it seems really likely that they can take more than one player off mouz. Personally, I love both teams and want to see ThorZaIN vs NaNiwa!
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 18:40:01
January 25 2012 18:39 GMT
#5
Mouz for the win. I remember talking to someone affiliated with quantic who mentioned that naniwa does not often play in team events. Without naniwa then quantic has very little chance.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
January 25 2012 18:48 GMT
#6
I hope to see some great games by Morrow. He's been too quiet recently.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
January 25 2012 18:53 GMT
#7
This will be a good one, can't wait.
fAiryqt
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation138 Posts
January 25 2012 18:53 GMT
#8
Mouz will win this for sure, the only interesting thing here is - will it be an allkill or a real fight )

gl QxG, hf Mouz ;D
gezus
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 25 2012 18:54 GMT
#9
With Apocalypse, SaSe, and Naniwa, Quantic should just about edge out Mouz. Depends on how seriously they take it.
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 19:38:58
January 25 2012 19:38 GMT
#10
On January 26 2012 03:54 ratzp0li wrote:
With Apocalypse, SaSe, and Naniwa, Quantic should just about edge out Mouz. Depends on how seriously they take it.

Remember: Mouz beat QIM in a series last season, and they used mostly IM B Teamers with some A Team. No Quantic players (sans Apocalypse). It's hard to imagine Quantic winning after seeing that.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 25 2012 19:41 GMT
#11
I hope Sase and especially Naniwa will stomach the KR-NA lag and bring it through :D
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
January 25 2012 19:41 GMT
#12
Quantic would need to use all of its best players and have pretty lucky match-ups here to win...

Mouz is known for being beastly in team matches. Betting on them.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
January 25 2012 19:48 GMT
#13
Go Mouz..............

As much as I <3 Sase and Naniwa I think Mouz got this with ThorZain Mana and Morrow.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 25 2012 19:54 GMT
#14
Ooh . . . . You have Thorzain, Morrow, Mana, and Hasuobs to snipe Quantic's ace protoss and then I don't think there is anyone on Quantic that could realistically take a game off of any of the other Mouz players.

Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Seekzor
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden49 Posts
January 25 2012 20:03 GMT
#15
Weird that the co-winner and the runner up from the previous tournament end up facing eachother first round, should be interesting. Mouz 5-3 Quantic, the mouz lineup is too solid for Quantic
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
January 25 2012 20:08 GMT
#16
SaSe all-kill ezpz.
Holy check.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 25 2012 20:10 GMT
#17
Gogo Mouz <3
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 25 2012 20:12 GMT
#18
Depends on who Quantic sends out, if it's their best player I think they will take it. Otherwise if they don't and maybe some of their more mediocre players I think Mousesports will take it.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
January 25 2012 20:15 GMT
#19
gogo mouz! Need you at least top 3 at this event as usual!
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#20
I think mouz will match up fine against quantic.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
January 25 2012 20:31 GMT
#21
A good rule is to not bet against Mouz in teamleagues.
What a player
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 25 2012 20:33 GMT
#22
On January 26 2012 05:12 eYeball wrote:
Depends on who Quantic sends out, if it's their best player I think they will take it. Otherwise if they don't and maybe some of their more mediocre players I think Mousesports will take it.


Even if Sase and Naniwa are sent out, I still think it would be in Mouz's favor since Mouz not only has heavy hitters like Thorzain, but more importantly has depth in strong players. Quantic does not have that depth compared to Mouz.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 25 2012 21:27 GMT
#23
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 25 2012 21:30 GMT
#24
Mouz will win easily.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 25 2012 21:30 GMT
#25
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though
SaSe fan club manager
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
January 25 2012 21:50 GMT
#26
mouz's strength is that they don't just have one or two really good players, as is the case with most foreign teams. they have four of the best players in the foreign scene.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 25 2012 21:55 GMT
#27
Mouz should win this. They have a really good team league record.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 21:59:08
January 25 2012 21:58 GMT
#28
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 25 2012 22:02 GMT
#29
On January 26 2012 05:08 KinQuh wrote:
SaSe all-kill ezpz.

damn.
this, son
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 25 2012 22:09 GMT
#30
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though

Mousesports:
1st EGMC V
1st EGMC VI
3rd GCPL S2
2nd IPL TAC1
Quantic had trouble beating Mouz with IM. Without IM, Mouz should win easily. They are the best foreigner team at clan wars by a HUUUUUUUGE margin. Bonjwas, if you will.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 25 2012 22:11 GMT
#31
Mouz pretty simply. Naniwa has shown he's bad against Zerg, so both Bigs and Morrow should be able to snipe him. Thorzain can probably beat Sase and Apocalypse. Haven't even mentioned Mana yet. HasuObs has been slumping lately.

The rest of Quantic's lineup shouldn't be much of a match for Mouz.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 25 2012 23:25 GMT
#32
On January 26 2012 07:09 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though

Mousesports:
1st EGMC V
1st EGMC VI
3rd GCPL S2
2nd IPL TAC1
Quantic had trouble beating Mouz with IM. Without IM, Mouz should win easily. They are the best foreigner team at clan wars by a HUUUUUUUGE margin. Bonjwas, if you will.


Oh my goodness, he just said the B-word...

I agree with him. Mouz should take this one. Quantic has strong aces but not enough depth, whereas the Mouz roster can easily fill 5 slots with players who have already shown strong results in the Team Arena.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
January 25 2012 23:45 GMT
#33
Wait day 3 isn't done yet is it?

I always vote mouz coz it's like, a dessert
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
January 26 2012 00:16 GMT
#34
5-4 for mouz
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
January 26 2012 00:31 GMT
#35
Flo is ready to all kill mouz
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 00:43:53
January 26 2012 00:35 GMT
#36
OMG this is actually happening tonight!? God I love life these days. The world is finally starting to become the place I always dreamed it would be. Sure there's a lot of fucked up shit happening out there, but when I can come home and just sit down, plug my computer into my TV via HDMI and watch motherfuckin Quantic vs Mouz in the opening round of tournament it just makes me realize that slowly things do change. The world we lived in as kids is starting to fade out: Where nerds were the exact opposite of what we wanted to be even though life kept on pushing us in that direction. All that bullshit and drama growing up just matters less and less every day. Rather, my perception of the importance of that life is clarified day by day.

Now I've got a pretty great job, and I can just go home, crack open a beer and for a brief period of time be doing exactly what I want to be doing. It doesn't matter that when my friends talk hockey I don't have a fucking clue what they're going on about, they have their interests and I have mine and right now, this is pretty much as good as it gets.

Cheers guys.

Lol, kinda just had a pretty sweet moment there.

Anyway, I think this could go either way and kind of comes down to who can beat Naniwa and Sase. Though ALL of Mouz's players are really REALLY good I think at this moment only Mana or Hasuobs have a better than 50% chance of beating Naniwa. Thorzain's chances are about 45% though I think he can pretty much stomp Sase right now and I really don't know for Morrow, though PvZ does seem to be Naniwa's weakness.

Overall, because of the depth Mouze has I think they've got it. I think they can certainly win the first round because Quantic won't want to send one of their stars out without knowing what they're up against and on Mouze everyone is so well rounded.

Edit: This dude's gonna hate me for being a dick here but:

On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 00:36:46
January 26 2012 00:36 GMT
#37
On January 26 2012 09:35 TheDougler wrote:
OMG this is actually happening tonight!? God I love life these days.

Nope, tomorrow. =P Vile vs. FXO is tonight, starts in 30 minutes. =)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306223
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 00:45:48
January 26 2012 00:43 GMT
#38
On January 26 2012 09:36 Joshy.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 09:35 TheDougler wrote:
OMG this is actually happening tonight!? God I love life these days.

Nope, tomorrow. =P Vile vs. FXO is tonight, starts in 30 minutes. =)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306223


Oh lol... wow now I feel silly. Oh well, Vile vs FXO should be kind of cool too... though I have less faith in Vile tonight than I did in ReIGN last night. Maybe they'll prove me wrong though.

On January 26 2012 03:43 Joshy.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I still have a hard time seeing Vile in the same league as most if any teams in this league, and thats coming from someone who loves the team. Best of luck and I'd love to see an upset happen


Just a reminder, Vile qualified by beating the following teams: mTw, Team Clash, imbaFXO, and ZeNEX (Vile won this one 5-1!).


WAIT WHAT!? HOLD THE PHONE! Onto the other thread I go!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 05:41:03
January 26 2012 05:40 GMT
#39
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.


Yeah DRG if better but I didn't count him.

Puma all killed Prime while on TSL.

Without doubt Hero and Puma have outperformed Huk in the last few months, Huk has been playing poorly since Orlando.

I'd say Puma has probably the best overall results of the three, with Hero having the worst. I believe Puma knocked Huk out of Dreamhack Winter although of course that's just one series.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 26 2012 06:12 GMT
#40
On January 26 2012 03:54 ratzp0li wrote:
With Apocalypse, SaSe, and Naniwa, Quantic should just about edge out Mouz. Depends on how seriously they take it.

Maybe you forgot about HasuObs, MaNa, ThorZaIN, and MorroW. Plus Mouz takes all their Team Leagues very seriously where as I doubt a player like NaNiwa would view it as being nearly as important. Plus, SaSe and NaNiwa are both in Korea; if ThorZaIN, HasuObs, or MaNa play them, the lag from EU to NA is far more playable than the lag from KR to NA.

And, on top of all that: Mousesports is the greatest team ever.
-Jacob-
Profile Joined November 2010
358 Posts
January 26 2012 06:15 GMT
#41
Flo probably going to go for the AK!
Rawr
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 26 2012 06:17 GMT
#42
On January 26 2012 14:40 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.


Yeah DRG if better but I didn't count him.

Puma all killed Prime while on TSL.

Without doubt Hero and Puma have outperformed Huk in the last few months, Huk has been playing poorly since Orlando.

I'd say Puma has probably the best overall results of the three, with Hero having the worst. I believe Puma knocked Huk out of Dreamhack Winter although of course that's just one series.

You guys are all wrong. The best player on a foreigner team is (P)SK.MC

BOOM!
Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
January 26 2012 06:30 GMT
#43
I'm hoping Quantic gets it, but at the same time I think Mouz will win this...unless ThorZAIN gets taken out easily which could be a big hit, both playerwise (it's ThorZAIN!!) but also moral....but short of something big happening Mouz probably have this ='(

hopefully they will be some good games ^_^
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:06:44
January 26 2012 07:05 GMT
#44
On January 26 2012 14:40 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.


Yeah DRG if better but I didn't count him.

Puma all killed Prime while on TSL.

Without doubt Hero and Puma have outperformed Huk in the last few months, Huk has been playing poorly since Orlando.

I'd say Puma has probably the best overall results of the three, with Hero having the worst. I believe Puma knocked Huk out of Dreamhack Winter although of course that's just one series.

Naniwa has better results than Hero, Puma and Huk...

EDIT: And Seiplo knocked out Huk of Dreamhack WInter ROFL
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courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
January 26 2012 07:13 GMT
#45
thorzain v naniwa please.

also, IPL, please include chill as a guest caster
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 26 2012 07:14 GMT
#46
How is mousesports beating Quantic? They have the clearly superior line up.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:18:59
January 26 2012 07:16 GMT
#47
On January 26 2012 16:14 SC2NeCro wrote:
How is mousesports beating Quantic? They have the clearly superior line up.


If you mean Mousesports, then you would be correct. Quantic is too top-heavy and those top players are questionable in terms of stability.
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MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
January 26 2012 07:21 GMT
#48
Either a 3-0 or 3-1 victory if they use NaNiWa.
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:26:47
January 26 2012 07:26 GMT
#49
This could go either way, and I've got no idea which team to favor here. As long as I get to see a ThorZain vs Naniwa I'm happy.

In terms of consistency I rank mouz as the best foreign team though.
agh39
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden180 Posts
January 26 2012 08:01 GMT
#50
On January 26 2012 16:21 MrMercuG wrote:
Either a 3-0 or 3-1 victory if they use NaNiWa.


Maybe after this 3-0 they (mouse) put in Thorzain to complete the match to the full series.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 26 2012 08:13 GMT
#51
On January 26 2012 15:12 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 03:54 ratzp0li wrote:
With Apocalypse, SaSe, and Naniwa, Quantic should just about edge out Mouz. Depends on how seriously they take it.

Maybe you forgot about HasuObs, MaNa, ThorZaIN, and MorroW. Plus Mouz takes all their Team Leagues very seriously where as I doubt a player like NaNiwa would view it as being nearly as important. Plus, SaSe and NaNiwa are both in Korea; if ThorZaIN, HasuObs, or MaNa play them, the lag from EU to NA is far more playable than the lag from KR to NA.

And, on top of all that: Mousesports is the greatest team ever.

This part is very important to note.
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Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
January 26 2012 09:08 GMT
#52
On January 26 2012 16:14 SC2NeCro wrote:
How is mousesports beating Quantic? They have the clearly superior line up.



mouz is superior in teamleagues, they win of allmost everyone, even Slayers, QiM, coLMvP.
they are able to beat QiM, but not QxG themselfs? loel
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
January 26 2012 09:50 GMT
#53
How long until this start?
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
January 26 2012 09:51 GMT
#54
Quantic! I believe!
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agh39
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden180 Posts
January 26 2012 16:21 GMT
#55
Wildmoon: @http://www.teamliquid.net/, look at the top to the right, search for Upcoming events: more/less/8h 42m IPL Mouz Quantic T…

Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 26 2012 16:30 GMT
#56
On January 26 2012 05:31 BansheeDK wrote:
A good rule is to not bet against Mouz in teamleagues.

I've been noticing this as well
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 26 2012 16:33 GMT
#57
On January 26 2012 05:33 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 05:12 eYeball wrote:
Depends on who Quantic sends out, if it's their best player I think they will take it. Otherwise if they don't and maybe some of their more mediocre players I think Mousesports will take it.


Even if Sase and Naniwa are sent out, I still think it would be in Mouz's favor since Mouz not only has heavy hitters like Thorzain, but more importantly has depth in strong players. Quantic does not have that depth compared to Mouz.


I still think SaSe and Naniwa can all-kill mousesports if they give it a good shot, look what happened to TeamLiquid against SaSe Although I think mousesports is a much better opponent than teamliquid however. But we'll see, if they can bring down Naniwa and SaSe without any problem they deffinetly got it. And if Quantic doesn't sends out Sase/Naniwa I'm sure they'll win it.
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 26 2012 16:54 GMT
#58
I think mouz has this. Hopefully we'll see Nani vs Thorzain.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 26 2012 16:59 GMT
#59
mouz will probably take it but Sase + naniwa could clean up as well...go Quantic!
naniwa fighting!!!
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
January 26 2012 17:06 GMT
#60
actually its been a while since i was hyped for a a team league match..good thing i work late tommorow and i can stay up late.And just for the discussion i get a feeling that mouz can take this.
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bootyclapthunder
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States82 Posts
January 26 2012 17:09 GMT
#61
where is the available stream?
bRoKeNLaW
Profile Joined May 2011
United States33 Posts
January 26 2012 17:31 GMT
#62
thorzain + mana > quantic, GO MOUZ!!
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 26 2012 17:36 GMT
#63
On January 27 2012 02:09 bootyclapthunder wrote:
where is the available stream?

It's in the op.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 17:45 GMT
#64
On January 27 2012 01:33 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 05:33 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 05:12 eYeball wrote:
Depends on who Quantic sends out, if it's their best player I think they will take it. Otherwise if they don't and maybe some of their more mediocre players I think Mousesports will take it.


Even if Sase and Naniwa are sent out, I still think it would be in Mouz's favor since Mouz not only has heavy hitters like Thorzain, but more importantly has depth in strong players. Quantic does not have that depth compared to Mouz.


I still think SaSe and Naniwa can all-kill mousesports if they give it a good shot, look what happened to TeamLiquid against SaSe Although I think mousesports is a much better opponent than teamliquid however. But we'll see, if they can bring down Naniwa and SaSe without any problem they deffinetly got it. And if Quantic doesn't sends out Sase/Naniwa I'm sure they'll win it.


Mutually assured destruction in my opinion. Sase and Naniwa could all kill Mouz if the conditions fall into place, but then again Thorzain could also all-kill Quantic if certain things go his way. I guess we will find out the results tonight.

Since all the scores have been 5-3, I'll be unoriginal here and predict 5-3 Mouz.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 26 2012 17:48 GMT
#65
Just think about it for a second.

thorzain = great in all matchups.
mana = AMAZING pvt and great pvp and pvz too.
morrow = a great zvp/zvt player.
hasuobs = not doing so well right now, but this guy is good. hope he does well today.

mouz has a sick line up, they have pretty much all matchups covered and 3 players that I consider top 10 europe. I dont really understand why ppl still vote against them in team leagues =o
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 26 2012 17:49 GMT
#66
I wanna see more of heromarine !!!!
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TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
January 26 2012 18:09 GMT
#67
If NaNi doesn't carry his team, mouz has this in the bag.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 26 2012 19:40 GMT
#68
if mana can snipe sase or nani i think mouz has this (and of course hasu morrow and thorzain can beat them too but mana is very good at sniping pvp)

gogo mouz
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ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 26 2012 20:31 GMT
#69
hopefully we see destiny play, his zvp is pretty okay
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
January 26 2012 20:34 GMT
#70
GoGo Quantic!
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ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 26 2012 20:38 GMT
#71
Sase and Naniwa have been practicing like beasts in the the ST house....

I'd say they're a level above anyone in Mouz right now besides Morrow and maybe Thorzain.
Korean training > foreign training, that's just how it works.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 26 2012 20:42 GMT
#72
Quantic is the more talented team so im picking them :D Nani and Sase can beat anyone they're matched up. Destiny and Apocalypse are powerful players as well (I know people will say oh Destiny is shit but he honestly isnt he's got a fuck ton of talent an anyone shitting on his saying he's trash is an idiot) who can win against just about anyone they're matched up though are inconsistent at times (in Destiny's case).
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 26 2012 20:46 GMT
#73
Apocalypse should not be underestimated either I guess, so really that's 3 players to watch out for plus destiny. Could still go either way but mouze are certainly the favorites.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
January 26 2012 20:51 GMT
#74
Mouz is so freaking good
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 20:57 GMT
#75
On January 27 2012 05:38 ratzp0li wrote:
Sase and Naniwa have been practicing like beasts in the the ST house....

I'd say they're a level above anyone in Mouz right now besides Morrow and maybe Thorzain.
Korean training > foreign training, that's just how it works.


Mana? He beat Slayers Ganzi in a BO9, no small feat.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
January 26 2012 21:08 GMT
#76
Thorzain and Morrow and HasuOBS

Go go Go
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#77
Calling 5-3.5, Mouz winning. I think it will come down to a crucial PvP
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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#78
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
January 26 2012 21:13 GMT
#79
On January 27 2012 05:57 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 05:38 ratzp0li wrote:
Sase and Naniwa have been practicing like beasts in the the ST house....

I'd say they're a level above anyone in Mouz right now besides Morrow and maybe Thorzain.
Korean training > foreign training, that's just how it works.


Mana? He beat Slayers Ganzi in a BO9, no small feat.


Ganzi's TvP is his worst match up.

A similar trait found in most of the SlayerS Terrans, as Ryung-MMA-GanZi are all under 50% win rate in TvP (Korea).

Now if it were Taeja he beat in a BO9, that would be a different story.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 26 2012 21:13 GMT
#80
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 21:31 GMT
#81
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 26 2012 21:36 GMT
#82
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.


AKed Liquid including Hero, that's something at least.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 21:44:19
January 26 2012 21:38 GMT
#83
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

9 games suggest 9 players amirite?

What if 5:4? lol
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 21:41 GMT
#84
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

I think organisers would allow players to play again for the sake of it, otherwise it's gonna be 4:2 or 5:1 :/


No, you can't just give a player multiple lives, it would not be fair. Otherwise SK would enter, give MC 5 lives, and dominate with just 1 player.
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halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
January 26 2012 21:42 GMT
#85
even if they send naniwa, i think thorzain can kill him ezpz
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 26 2012 21:45 GMT
#86
On January 27 2012 06:41 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

I think organisers would allow players to play again for the sake of it, otherwise it's gonna be 4:2 or 5:1 :/


No, you can't just give a player multiple lives, it would not be fair. Otherwise SK would enter, give MC 5 lives, and dominate with just 1 player.

But that would be awesome. :D
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 26 2012 21:50 GMT
#87
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

9 games suggest 9 players amirite?

What if 5:4? lol


So what if 5:4? Purely for example, and not a prediction.

Mousesports vs Quantic

ThorZaIN < theognis
HeRoMaRinE > theognis
HeRoMaRinE < DarkCell
biGs > DarkCell
biGs < Agh
HasuObs > Agh
HasuObs < iNkA
MaNa > iNkA
MaNa > SaSe

5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
January 26 2012 21:50 GMT
#88
On January 27 2012 06:41 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

I think organisers would allow players to play again for the sake of it, otherwise it's gonna be 4:2 or 5:1 :/


No, you can't just give a player multiple lives, it would not be fair. Otherwise SK would enter, give MC 5 lives, and dominate with just 1 player.


Maybe allow two participations, including ace match ? dunno

It would be sad if Mouz had to forfeit because of small player roster :/
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5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
January 26 2012 21:54 GMT
#89
On January 27 2012 06:50 nhoJJohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

9 games suggest 9 players amirite?

What if 5:4? lol


So what if 5:4? Purely for example, and not a prediction.

Mousesports vs Quantic

ThorZaIN < theognis
HeRoMaRinE > theognis
HeRoMaRinE < DarkCell
biGs > DarkCell
biGs < Agh
HasuObs > Agh
HasuObs < iNkA
MaNa > iNkA
MaNa > SaSe



I thought it was supposed to be like:
player A vs player 1
B vs 2
C vs 3
D vs 4
E vs 5
F vs 6
G vs 7
H vs 8
ACE vs ACE

If i'm wrong, then nevermind
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 22:03:57
January 26 2012 21:58 GMT
#90
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

9 games suggest 9 players amirite?

What if 5:4? lol



Brain fart yourself?

Lets say it's nine games, that looks like this (for example)

Hasu>Naniwa
Hasu<Sase
Morrow<Sase
Mana>Sase
Mana < Appocolypse
Thorzain>Appocalypse
Thorzain>Destiny
Thorzain<Flo
Bigs< Flo
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
January 26 2012 22:00 GMT
#91
It's a normal All-kill format, so each team sends in 5 players at most.

Can't believe people still underestimate mouz. They got this easy and will go far in this tourny.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 26 2012 22:02 GMT
#92
QUOTE]On January 26 2012 16:05 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 14:40 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.


Yeah DRG if better but I didn't count him.

Puma all killed Prime while on TSL.

Without doubt Hero and Puma have outperformed Huk in the last few months, Huk has been playing poorly since Orlando.

I'd say Puma has probably the best overall results of the three, with Hero having the worst. I believe Puma knocked Huk out of Dreamhack Winter although of course that's just one series.

Naniwa has better results than Hero, Puma and Huk...

EDIT: And Seiplo knocked out Huk of Dreamhack WInter ROFL[/QUOTE]

Obviously and terrible troll.

Naniwa - 0 Major Lan wins, 1 Major LAN runner up. 7% win rate in Korea.
Huk - 3 Major LAN wins, was a legitimate Code S player for a time.
Puma - 3 Major LAN wins, 1 Major LAN runner up. Also terrible in Korea
Hero - 1 Major LAN win, 1 Major LAN runner up, solid Code A player who's done okay in Korea.

So yeah, he's had way worse results than those three guys and even Naniwa's MLG run was a bit of a farce given he couldn't finish lower than 8th to begin with and won all of three games.

On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.


There is literally no reason for it. Naniwa is overrated sure but at least he's placed well at major LAN's. Sase hasn't done much of anything and yet he has massive hype as a top Protoss. Socke and HasuObs have more results than Sase.
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5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
January 26 2012 22:03 GMT
#93
On January 27 2012 07:00 Champloo wrote:
It's a normal All-kill format, so each team sends in 5 players at most.

Can't believe people still underestimate mouz. They got this easy and will go far in this tourny.


OH ok... i guess i watched too much EG Master's Cups ^^

In this case Mouz should got this if MaNa won't get PvZ.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 22:04 GMT
#94
On January 27 2012 06:54 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:50 nhoJJohn wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:38 5ukkub wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:31 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:11 VoirDire wrote:
What happens if there is more than 6 games? Mouz only have 6 players.

Anyway, let the battle of sweden (+mana) begin!


It's a best of 9, so at most 5 players can be used.



Brain fart i hope?

9 games suggest 9 players amirite?

What if 5:4? lol


So what if 5:4? Purely for example, and not a prediction.

Mousesports vs Quantic

ThorZaIN < theognis
HeRoMaRinE > theognis
HeRoMaRinE < DarkCell
biGs > DarkCell
biGs < Agh
HasuObs > Agh
HasuObs < iNkA
MaNa > iNkA
MaNa > SaSe



I thought it was supposed to be like:
player A vs player 1
B vs 2
C vs 3
D vs 4
E vs 5
F vs 6
G vs 7
H vs 8
ACE vs ACE

If i'm wrong, then nevermind


No, this is winner stays on format, so only 5 players max.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 22:21:51
January 26 2012 22:10 GMT
#95
On January 27 2012 07:02 Seraphone wrote:
QUOTE]On January 26 2012 16:05 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 14:40 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:58 Seraphone wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:30 Choboo wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:27 MCDayC wrote:
Mouz vs a foreigner team? ezpz, they can roll with Koreans. Mouz gogogogog.

Quantic has the best aces out of any foreigner team though


Nice joke. Hero and Puma are the best players on a foreign team.

Mouz always do well in Team Leagues so I bet them.


DRG would like a word har har har.

Other than the ColMVP thing though yeah I guess you're right.

Actually I don't even know... I kind of think HuK is actually better than either of those two (Puma or Hero) usually to be honest. He's legitimately more consistent than either of them and that's just a fact. Puma's won two NASLs and Hero has won a Dreamhack. HuK has also won a dreamhack, Two MLGs (only one of which really counts but STILL) and the list goes on. In team leagues I don't recall Hero or Puma winning any games for oGs or TSL, though I could be mistaken on that count, whereas HuK was used as the ace for oGs two win two back to back games.

At the very least, it's arguable I think.


Yeah DRG if better but I didn't count him.

Puma all killed Prime while on TSL.

Without doubt Hero and Puma have outperformed Huk in the last few months, Huk has been playing poorly since Orlando.

I'd say Puma has probably the best overall results of the three, with Hero having the worst. I believe Puma knocked Huk out of Dreamhack Winter although of course that's just one series.

Naniwa has better results than Hero, Puma and Huk...

EDIT: And Seiplo knocked out Huk of Dreamhack WInter ROFL


Obviously and terrible troll.

Naniwa - 0 Major Lan wins, 1 Major LAN runner up. 7% win rate in Korea.
Huk - 3 Major LAN wins, was a legitimate Code S player for a time.
Puma - 3 Major LAN wins, 1 Major LAN runner up. Also terrible in Korea
Hero - 1 Major LAN win, 1 Major LAN runner up, solid Code A player who's done okay in Korea.

So yeah, he's had way worse results than those three guys and even Naniwa's MLG run was a bit of a farce given he couldn't finish lower than 8th to begin with and won all of three games.

On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.


There is literally no reason for it. Naniwa is overrated sure but at least he's placed well at major LAN's. Sase hasn't done much of anything and yet he has massive hype as a top Protoss. Socke and HasuObs have more results than Sase.[/QUOTE]

You lose a lot of credibility by editing out peoples names that you quote. Edit: Oops NM, somebody just screwed up somewhere. It was I that said HuK has better results than Hero and Puma, not Seraphone.

Anyway, I heartily disagree. HuK's been outperforming Hero, I don't even see how that's arguable. Hero won ONE tournament last year, HuK won three. In the short term, HuK took Hero out at Providence if all you care about is the most recent result. And Puma has yet to break Code A whereas HuK has beaten Code S players time and time again.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
January 26 2012 22:11 GMT
#96
Nani beats the Zergs/Protoss, Sase beats the Terrans. EZ PZ
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Jeromir
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 22:16:43
January 26 2012 22:14 GMT
#97
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.


He has'nt done a lot of appearences. He gets noticed a lot through his stream and did attend one MLG (2nd to last 2011 i believe) where he made it out of open bracket and into the pool play where he did very well with a score of 4-1, beating Bomber, Sheth , Kiwikaki and one more i don't remember. He also practices A LOT with Nani which obvously should help him improve quickly.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 26 2012 22:18 GMT
#98
On January 27 2012 07:02 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

There is literally no reason for it. Naniwa is overrated sure but at least he's placed well at major LAN's. Sase hasn't done much of anything and yet he has massive hype as a top Protoss. Socke and HasuObs have more results than Sase.

Do you seriously think HasuObs and Socke are better than SaSe?
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 22:24:55
January 26 2012 22:24 GMT
#99
On January 27 2012 07:10 TheDougler wrote:
You lose a lot of credibility by editing out peoples names that you quote. Edit: Oops NM, somebody just screwed up somewhere. It was I that said HuK has better results than Hero and Puma, not Seraphone.

Anyway, I heartily disagree. HuK's been outperforming Hero, I don't even see how that's arguable. Hero won ONE tournament last year, HuK won three. In the short term, HuK took Hero out at Providence if all you care about is the most recent result. And Puma has yet to break Code A whereas HuK has beaten Code S players time and time again. Fuck you're just so blinded by your Korean Fanboism that you won't open your eyes to see that in this ONE UNIQUE EXAMPLE a foreigner is better than a korean.


Across the course of Sc2 Huk has had better results than Hero and about even with Puma. Right now both Hero and Puma are better players than Huk.

On January 27 2012 07:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 07:02 Seraphone wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

There is literally no reason for it. Naniwa is overrated sure but at least he's placed well at major LAN's. Sase hasn't done much of anything and yet he has massive hype as a top Protoss. Socke and HasuObs have more results than Sase.

Do you seriously think HasuObs and Socke are better than SaSe?


That isn't what I said. Tell me what makes Sase good though. He couldn't even beat Fruit Dealer in GSL, hasn't won a single round in Code A. He's never placed well at a major LAN having attended a hell of a lot of them.

His record vs Koreans is really, really bad.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Mindor
Profile Joined December 2011
169 Posts
January 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#100
On January 27 2012 07:11 MK4512 wrote:
Nani beats the Zergs/Protoss, Sase beats the Terrans. EZ PZ


If they are even playing with lag and time difference...
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 26 2012 22:27 GMT
#101
There is no way Mouz loses this. Mouz has easilly the best lineup of any foreign team for team league except EG (although EG always underperform even if they're great on paper.)

Mouz has 4 players who are solid in all matchups and have the best vs Protoss outside of Korea in Thorzain and the best vs Terran in Mana.

No chance do they lose to Sase and Naniwa playing from Korea.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 26 2012 22:30 GMT
#102
On January 27 2012 07:24 Seraphone wrote:
His record vs Koreans is really, really bad.

He was top 20-30 korea GM for a while and frequently beat top korean players. Plus he beat bomber at mlg.
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 23:24:21
January 26 2012 22:41 GMT
#103
On January 27 2012 07:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 07:02 Seraphone wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

There is literally no reason for it. Naniwa is overrated sure but at least he's placed well at major LAN's. Sase hasn't done much of anything and yet he has massive hype as a top Protoss. Socke and HasuObs have more results than Sase.

Do you seriously think HasuObs and Socke are better than SaSe?


Right now? No. If all are able to bring their A-game? Then they are all Top EU Protoss and pretty much even. The only European Toss, who really could put a gap between him and the rest of the scene is Nani. This is also heavily supported by tournament results.

Speaking of actual results and accomplishments, Hasu and Socke (especially the latter) beat Sase in this regard.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 26 2012 23:13 GMT
#104
come on sase you can do it
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 26 2012 23:27 GMT
#105
Mouz have shown they are the best foreign team. They will take it 5-2 imo.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 23:33:50
January 26 2012 23:33 GMT
#106
I think morrow vs nani/sase will be the most interesting match(es), since they're all in korea (no server lag).
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 26 2012 23:45 GMT
#107
Really looking forward to this. It's three vs three really; ThorZaIN/MaNa/MorroW vs SaSe/Apocalypse/NaNiwa. I'm betting the first three will come out on top, but in an all-kill format, anything can happen, so who knows?
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 23:58:47
January 26 2012 23:58 GMT
#108
On January 27 2012 08:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Really looking forward to this. It's three vs three really; ThorZaIN/MaNa/MorroW vs SaSe/Apocalypse/NaNiwa. I'm betting the first three will come out on top, but in an all-kill format, anything can happen, so who knows?


Flo all-kill?

Joking aside, I just get the impression that Mouz has the better depth, which will ultimately carry them to victory.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#109
I see mouz winning this without dropping too many games. I just think they are a stronger team.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 27 2012 00:11 GMT
#110
On January 27 2012 07:30 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 07:24 Seraphone wrote:
His record vs Koreans is really, really bad.

He was top 20-30 korea GM for a while and frequently beat top korean players. Plus he beat bomber at mlg.


No one cares about ladder and beating Bomber 2-1 once does not erase losing to JYP, Fruitdealer, Sniper, Puma, MarineKing (x2), Tails, Boxer and Puma (x2)
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 00:33 GMT
#111
5-3 to Mouz.
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:09:58
January 27 2012 00:42 GMT
#112
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

yo, check out his twitter

+ Show Spoiler +
“practised with @QuanticNaNi for 14 hours, still going! young and wild and free ^_^vvvvvvv”

“played for 12 hours or so but can't stop, this game is sooooooooooo fun!”

“played for 14 hours,was about to sleep,oz came here, had to drink, so happy I did ^^ good night everyone! looooooove this home!!!happy happy”

“played for 9 hours straight or so, I want massage!”


Verdict: Quantic can win, but that depends on how far its 2 Dragons can carry it. That's about as deep as far as its aces go. Everyone else will probably get crushed.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 00:47 GMT
#113
On January 27 2012 09:42 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

yo, check out his twitter

“practised with @QuanticNaNi for 14 hours, still going! young and wild and free ^_^vvvvvvv”

“played for 12 hours or so but can't stop, this game is sooooooooooo fun!”

“played for 14 hours,was about to sleep,oz came here, had to drink, so happy I did ^^ good night everyone! looooooove this home!!!happy happy”

“played for 9 hours straight or so, I want massage!”


And your argument on why Sase gets so much hype? Yes he practices a lot and that is great, but practicing long hours can be said for many people, especially Koreans. You just gave some tweets about him practicing.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
January 27 2012 00:57 GMT
#114
Stream is live now! Come watch: http://www.ign.com/ipl
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:00:30
January 27 2012 01:00 GMT
#115
On January 27 2012 09:47 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 09:42 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

yo, check out his twitter

“practised with @QuanticNaNi for 14 hours, still going! young and wild and free ^_^vvvvvvv”

“played for 12 hours or so but can't stop, this game is sooooooooooo fun!”

“played for 14 hours,was about to sleep,oz came here, had to drink, so happy I did ^^ good night everyone! looooooove this home!!!happy happy”

“played for 9 hours straight or so, I want massage!”


And your argument on why Sase gets so much hype? Yes he practices a lot and that is great, but practicing long hours can be said for many people, especially Koreans. You just gave some tweets about him practicing.


Carn was one of the first players in Korea and practiced all the time, look what happened to him.

Stephano barely practices, look at him.

Practice does not necessarily equate to results.

Edit: Quoted the wrong guy, oh well.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:02:42
January 27 2012 01:01 GMT
#116
On January 27 2012 09:47 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 09:42 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 06:13 Dexington wrote:
Why does Sase get so much hype? Haven't seen anything from him outside of that IPL4 qualifier.

yo, check out his twitter

“practised with @QuanticNaNi for 14 hours, still going! young and wild and free ^_^vvvvvvv”

“played for 12 hours or so but can't stop, this game is sooooooooooo fun!”

“played for 14 hours,was about to sleep,oz came here, had to drink, so happy I did ^^ good night everyone! looooooove this home!!!happy happy”

“played for 9 hours straight or so, I want massage!”


And your argument on why Sase gets so much hype? Yes he practices a lot and that is great, but practicing long hours can be said for many people, especially Koreans. You just gave some tweets about him practicing.


^^He practices a TON and has fun/is motivated while doing it. He's competed at the top level of WC3, up there with guys like Remind and Soju. If you've watched his stream, you'll notice that his mechanics and micro are INSANE, tempered of course by some over aggressive play and less-than-perfect decision making.

He's beaten Naniwa before. He's beaten Thorzain. He's even all-killed Team liquid.
And if SaSe plays at his best, he can triumph also against Mouz.

Kim Hammar Fighting!!
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:02:32
January 27 2012 01:02 GMT
#117
On January 27 2012 08:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Really looking forward to this. It's three vs three really; ThorZaIN/MaNa/MorroW vs SaSe/Apocalypse/NaNiwa. I'm betting the first three will come out on top, but in an all-kill format, anything can happen, so who knows?


Hasuobs can also beat either Nani or Sase in a PvP IMO, unlikely but could happen.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 27 2012 01:05 GMT
#118
Ooh throwing Hasu out first. Bit of an interesting choice, Kind of thought they'd use him 2nd after Quantic starts throwing down some of the big guns.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 27 2012 01:07 GMT
#119
destiny zvp is pretty scary, i hope they send him in
Hi
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:12:54
January 27 2012 01:12 GMT
#120
hmm, Hasu should be able to take this in a standard game, theognis will have to throw in some random shit to win this IMO

EDIT: BALLS wasted post #900
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
January 27 2012 01:20 GMT
#121
Is the stream lagging for anyone else?
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#122
Looks like Hasu took this one pretty convincingly.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#123
Glad Hasu isn't slumping enough to lose to Theognis
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#124
man that wasnt even close
naniwa fighting!!!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#125
Mouz is sooooo good.

Best foreign team imo.

Too strong, too strong
Liquid | SKT
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#126
GO DESTINY!!!!!!
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 27 2012 01:23 GMT
#127
destiny gonna take down hasuobs
Hi
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 01:27 GMT
#128
unlikely heh
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 27 2012 01:31 GMT
#129
MaNa all-kill. Calling it now.
kiss kiss fall in love
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 01:33 GMT
#130
thats a bad game by hasu
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 01:34 GMT
#131
I disagree with Hasu's tech route, starting at the Void Rays and now the DT tech swap.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 01:34 GMT
#132
Wow Destiny really far ahead.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 01:35 GMT
#133
Hasu just isn't making anything...
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 27 2012 01:35 GMT
#134
Wow that was just painful :/
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#135
Why am I watching a PvZ from March 2011? :/
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
January 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#136
This whole game has looked so unconvincing from hasuobs. I wonder what his gameplan was
@x5_MegaFonzie
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 27 2012 01:37 GMT
#137
Hasuobs really isnt playing his best these days.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 01:37 GMT
#138
destiny needs to expand, he should be on like 5 bases
naniwa fighting!!!
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
January 27 2012 01:37 GMT
#139
Hasuobs failing sooo hard by going Stargate into DT's...of course he has spore crwlers anyway...and its not like DT's...are "cloaked."

Don't know if it was panic or wat but a REALLY bad call!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:40:11
January 27 2012 01:37 GMT
#140
On January 27 2012 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Why am I watching a PvZ from March 2011? :/

Because HasuObs has been playing a similar turtle-till-deathball style since then. Can't speak for Destiny though.

After that attack though, there is no way Destiny can lose this. I worried for a second that he wasn't going to attack there, but then he did, just from a different angle, which was good.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#141
Destiny playing a pretty good zvp =)
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#142
On January 27 2012 10:37 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Why am I watching a PvZ from March 2011? :/

Because HasuObs has been playing a similar turtle-till-deathball style since then. Can't speak for Destiny though.


Bleh, I thought Protosses learned that they needed to mix it up. Mass roach is okey-dokey in the situation though.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#143
That was a little sad ;-;
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ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#144
destiny gonna take out MaNa
Hi
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#145
I think DoA was okay in GSL when he casted, but now wow feels like a completely new caster.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#146
That was rough for the brotoss.
kiss kiss fall in love
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#147
Oh god Mana is really good Destiny has his work cut out for him.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
January 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#148
no sure what hasu was doing, weird tech choices and his macro was rly bad
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
January 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#149
Hey hasu fans, hows destinys dick taste

User was temp banned for this post.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#150
Well that was kinda embarrassing.

Ugh bringing out Mana so early leaves him open for snipe.

Wish they would've brought out biGs or Heromarine.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
January 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#151
DoA looking VERY ill or depressed
No carpal tunnel no skill
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
January 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#152
Destiny will beat Mana. Calling it now.
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
January 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#153
On January 27 2012 10:42 mindspike wrote:
Destiny will beat Mana. Calling it now.


sounds legit
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 01:43 GMT
#154
Never seen such bad macro in my life from a progamer like Hasuobs in this game. 1k minerals floating for whole game?!
Pit173
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland19 Posts
January 27 2012 01:43 GMT
#155
Destiny played soooo carefully in that game. I initially thought that was a mistake (140 vs 70 supply), but it paid off handsomely. GG!
ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 27 2012 01:43 GMT
#156
On January 27 2012 10:42 mindspike wrote:
Destiny will beat Mana. Calling it now.

of course
Hi
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#157
HaSu PvZ looked bad.

Deathball is boring.
Liquid | SKT
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#158
This is all being played on the US server or?
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:47:17
January 27 2012 01:45 GMT
#159
On January 27 2012 10:43 cellblock wrote:
Never seen such bad macro in my life from a progamer like Hasuobs in this game. 1k minerals floating for whole game?!

I don't think that zealots are a good investment against roach+infestor. The game was over, he couldn't get a 3rd to get rid of a lot of minerals (nexus, probes, canons, extra gateways).

But Hasu didn't play well overall, he is really not doing well in 2012.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 27 2012 01:46 GMT
#160
On January 27 2012 10:43 cellblock wrote:
Never seen such bad macro in my life from a progamer like Hasuobs in this game. 1k minerals floating for whole game?!


At one point, he had over 2k minerals.

I have no idea why he was playing so bad.
I've got moves like Jagger
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 01:51 GMT
#161
mana suiciding units
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 01:51 GMT
#162
It almost looks like MaNa is getting too cutesy. Trying to snipe the hatch, also the unsuccessful Warp Prism harass.
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
January 27 2012 01:51 GMT
#163
replay cast
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 01:52 GMT
#164
WP speed coming up though and a colossus... colossus drop? but there's a spire =/ seems like huge advantage to destiny
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 27 2012 01:52 GMT
#165
The first time I see the mousesports-players underperforming in teamleagues.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 01:55 GMT
#166
On January 27 2012 10:51 Nawe wrote:
replay cast


It's like it isn't common knowledge that IPLTAC has always been replays.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
January 27 2012 01:55 GMT
#167
Destiny is playing way better than I expected
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tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
January 27 2012 01:56 GMT
#168
Wow Destiny is pretty ahead
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 01:56 GMT
#169
Destiny playing pretty well but winning as Protoss on in these positions is pretty hard.
Dont tase me bro
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 27 2012 01:57 GMT
#170
Destiny is really showing skill this game.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#171
I know im behind here, but that was a nice job by destiny to beat Hasu XD
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#172
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#173
shit destiny. playing so well =O
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#174
stttttttttttttttt . Thats a lot of mutas hahah. i dont see templar tech for mana
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Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 01:59 GMT
#175
Destiny is staying on lair for awfully long time, but there's basically no way to lsoe this game for him. ZvP with mutas is so slippery-slopy
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:00 GMT
#176
Destiny playing Dimaga's strat of only building Mutas in ZvP
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:01:03
January 27 2012 02:00 GMT
#177
Mass muta is pretty good

53 :O
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:01 GMT
#178
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#179
MaNa is doing some work on those Mutalisks, but Destiny is on 50 bases, so no biggie for him. Can't see MaNa winning this one if Destiny continues to play solid and follows up with some higher tech.
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#180
Destiny's looking pretty good tbh.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#181
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

so thats why Blizzard is contemplating throwing a whole new unit in to counter mutas
how can you say its not viable?
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#182
sooo....i guess this is why even blizzard thinks muta's r op in PvZ! Micro don't matter with mass muta's, flies them ovr whole army and just goes straight for main
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#183
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#184
I guess Destiny learned something during his time in hsc4 from dimaga....
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#185
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#186
Destiny > these kids.

It's OVA!
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ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#187
wow, Destiny
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 27 2012 02:04 GMT
#188
Destiny is so rich
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 27 2012 02:05 GMT
#189
It seriously is retarded to watch Pvz nowadays. the resurgence of warp prism was shut down by heavy muta play.

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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 02:05 GMT
#190
On January 27 2012 11:03 Dexington wrote:
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.


Well MaNa choose it. Does Destiny usually play like this? I thought he liked infestor and his creep spread seems kind of lackluster.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 02:05 GMT
#191
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.


Guess what? It doesn't matter if the protoss has storm and blink stalkers because he can never leave his bases without the possibility of getting counter-attacked. Meanwhile zerg just builds up the base count and stockpiles resources so he can transition into any composition he wants.
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Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:05 GMT
#192
I think it says a lot about mutas on this map when destiny is beating mana, he did play well though
naniwa fighting!!!
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#193
Destiny tearin it up.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#194
That was incredibly impressive. Never thought I'd see Destiny play that well against so good of an opponent.
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hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:07:29
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#195
Morrow will come up next, i think

aww thorzain already, gogo! get em!
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#196
Thorzain in to beat Destiny in 10 minutes.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:07:47
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#197
Send in HeroMarine!

Edit: Eh, Thorzain is the next best thing.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
Host-
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand459 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#198
Destiny playing incredibly well.
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#199
Destiny all kill plz. Think of the threads
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#200
On January 27 2012 11:05 Sackings wrote:
I think it says a lot about mutas on this map when destiny is beating mana, he did play well though


no it doesn't. Destiny is very good.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#201
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.
I've got moves like Jagger
ChocoBanana
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#202
destiny zvt isn't strong, i dont think he can beat Thorzain
Hi
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#203
On January 27 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

so thats why Blizzard is contemplating throwing a whole new unit in to counter mutas
how can you say its not viable?
this is purely to placate the average players, because VERY few low level protoss are capable of dealing with a zerg that gets enough mutas out, because it isnt easy, as witnessed by a very good (but not elite) protoss in MaNa losing to it just now. but any decent korean protoss knows exactly how not to die to mass muta. you need SOMETHING else to damage to the stalkers.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#204
On January 27 2012 11:03 SC2NeCro wrote:
Mutas>Protoss

It's OVA!


fix'd

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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#205
Wow Destiny is pretty good against toss. Oh god Thorzain inc....
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Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#206
A bit sad that when Destiny wins a game, everyone just uses it as evidence of imba rather than congratulating Destiny on continued improvements and two good wins.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#207
On January 27 2012 11:05 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 Dexington wrote:
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.


Well MaNa choose it. Does Destiny usually play like this? I thought he liked infestor and his creep spread seems kind of lackluster.


There is no need to spread creep when you have map control with Mutas and you're only building Mutas (which don't benefit from creep). Spreading creep is not a measure of a good player.

Well played, Destiny.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#208
On January 27 2012 11:05 Sackings wrote:
I think it says a lot about mutas on this map when destiny is beating mana, he did play well though


haha pretty sure he lost more muta's than stalkers...BUT he can't move out or Destiny walks all over him with muta's...its a lose lose no matter what....that is why destiny expanded 5 times while harassing with muta's...
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
January 27 2012 02:08 GMT
#209
Was pretty impressed by Destiny's showing against Mana, but Thorzain has awesome TvZ (at least last I saw him).
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 27 2012 02:08 GMT
#210
On January 27 2012 11:05 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 Dexington wrote:
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.


Well MaNa choose it. Does Destiny usually play like this? I thought he liked infestor and his creep spread seems kind of lackluster.


He hasn't been playing the brofestor style for a long time. He pretty much plays like every other Zerg now.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
January 27 2012 02:08 GMT
#211
On January 27 2012 11:05 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 Dexington wrote:
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.


Well MaNa choose it. Does Destiny usually play like this? I thought he liked infestor and his creep spread seems kind of lackluster.


I recall in an interview with HotBid, Destiny said that he doesn't like to go Infestors in ZvP anymore, after the nerf.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:08 GMT
#212
On January 27 2012 11:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.


Guess what? It doesn't matter if the protoss has storm and blink stalkers because he can never leave his bases without the possibility of getting counter-attacked. Meanwhile zerg just builds up the base count and stockpiles resources so he can transition into any composition he wants.


I think one way to handle this might be to get phoenix with +1 early and constantly whittle down the muta numbers with them so that they can never get such a massive number.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
January 27 2012 02:08 GMT
#213
Never would've predicted Destiny grabbing back to back victories against a team like Mouz. If he picks up Thorzain as well I'd be super impressed
@x5_MegaFonzie
SwampyNZ
Profile Joined September 2011
New Zealand47 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#214
destiny does that mass muta/spine play alot against toss on all maps
KingSpoon
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands39 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#215
That game just now, pretty much sums up all of my PvZ experience. Endlessly trying to chase mutas in your base, no amount of cannons or stalkers can stop them from doing damage all over the place. Storms? They just fly out of that.
ouch.

on a unrelated note, I want doa's transformer's shirt.
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#216
On January 27 2012 11:07 Trsjnica wrote:
A bit sad that when Destiny wins a game, everyone just uses it as evidence of imba rather than congratulating Destiny on continued improvements and two good wins.


Thank you. People don't realize what an intelligent and thoughtful guy Destiny is despite his antics.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#217
On January 27 2012 11:07 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:05 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Dexington wrote:
This map is a lot to blame for this I think.


Well MaNa choose it. Does Destiny usually play like this? I thought he liked infestor and his creep spread seems kind of lackluster.


There is no need to spread creep when you have map control with Mutas and you're only building Mutas (which don't benefit from creep). Spreading creep is not a measure of a good player.

Well played, Destiny.


That maybe be true but what if his mutalisks would fail then the creep spread would play a huge roll since he either had to transition or die trying mutalisks. Only good player I can think of that doesn't like creep spread is July.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Ghostpvp
Profile Joined October 2010
United States462 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#218
On January 27 2012 11:06 Dexington wrote:
Thorzain in to beat Destiny in 10 minutes.


Thorzain beating anyone in 10 mins. ha.
Move Zig
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
January 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#219
Just realized we could have a EG v Mouz match coming up :O Make it happen!
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Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
January 27 2012 02:10 GMT
#220
Not sure why people are saying Destiny played well. Mass mutas, miss MaNa expanding past 3 bases and drag out a game that should of been over, I mean really how do you lose that many bases with 60 mutas on the field?

Still hoping for better games, thorzain coming out should be interesting.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
January 27 2012 02:10 GMT
#221
Wow, I'm really suprised Destiny is doing so well. Mutas, but still, really well.
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SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
January 27 2012 02:11 GMT
#222
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:11 GMT
#223
So... Quantic is 2-1 up... They have SaSe, Naniwa to come, and Mouz have Thorzain and then Morrow?. I don't see Mouz taking this now that Destiny took out their two Protoss, but it will all come down to whether they can take out Thorzain without taking too much damage from him. I assume SaSe or Nani comes next and snipes him.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#224
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

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obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#225
Not very impressive by hasuobs and mana.
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#226
destiny played well but MaNa was having lags issues (US server) also which is not porobably good when microing blink stalkers/storms gg anyway
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#227
On January 27 2012 11:07 Trsjnica wrote:
A bit sad that when Destiny wins a game, everyone just uses it as evidence of imba rather than congratulating Destiny on continued improvements and two good wins.

Its not about Destiny. People will complain about mass mutas on TalDarim no matter who plays.
Overpowered or not, Destiny played this really well.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#228
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.


On most maps it is completely beatable, but when the 3rd and main are close like that by air on taldarim... not gonna says its unbalanced but u have to outplay the zerg by a large margin imo
naniwa fighting!!!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#229
On January 27 2012 11:07 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

so thats why Blizzard is contemplating throwing a whole new unit in to counter mutas
how can you say its not viable?
this is purely to placate the average players, because VERY few low level protoss are capable of dealing with a zerg that gets enough mutas out, because it isnt easy, as witnessed by a very good (but not elite) protoss in MaNa losing to it just now. but any decent korean protoss knows exactly how not to die to mass muta. you need SOMETHING else to damage to the stalkers.


stop spouting nonsense... No they don't. You can't move out against mutas without being literally all-in. MaNa is as good a protoss as any, his pvz isnt' his best MU, but it doesn't change the fact that if you have a timing that fails, and the zerg has a spire he basically cashes in on a free-win, because once you start going mutas the game enters a stage where there's very little that protoss can do outside of waiting for zerg to make a mistake, or base trading.
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#230
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny
Dont tase me bro
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#231
Against thorzain on antiga? Ouch. Well it was a decent run, Destiny...
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#232
On January 27 2012 11:13 Letall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny


So? Having a large fanbase =/= overrated.

Nobody proclaims Destiny is a top tier player, and I see it all the time for Thorzain.
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#233
On January 27 2012 11:10 Baffels wrote:
Not sure why people are saying Destiny played well. Mass mutas, miss MaNa expanding past 3 bases and drag out a game that should of been over, I mean really how do you lose that many bases with 60 mutas on the field?

Still hoping for better games, thorzain coming out should be interesting.


I thought Destiny's harass and muta control was very good. He had multiple groups of mutas pulling mana all over the place, forcing him to constantly defend. It was textbook. The point of what he was doing was to drag it out. It's called starving out your opponent and he did it properly. You might not like the strategy, it might not be exciting to you, but Destiny def played well.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#234
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#235
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.


Storm isn't instantaneous ya know?
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#236
On January 27 2012 11:12 mijagi182 wrote:
destiny played well but MaNa was having lags issues (US server) also which is not porobably good when microing blink stalkers/storms gg anyway


I see you're from Poland.
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ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#237
On January 27 2012 11:14 tribulator wrote:
Against thorzain on antiga? Ouch. Well it was a decent run, Destiny...

yup lol

oh well, at least we'll probably get to see Naniwa or sase play vs Thorzain.
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#238
YES!! AWESOME JOB DESTINY!!!
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MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#239
On January 27 2012 11:14 SC2NeCro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:13 Letall wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny


So? Having a large fanbase =/= overrated.

Nobody proclaims Destiny is a top tier player, and I see it all the time for Thorzain.


Just.... Just....

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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ThorZaIN

No
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#240
On January 27 2012 11:11 bennyaus wrote:
So... Quantic is 2-1 up... They have SaSe, Naniwa to come, and Mouz have Thorzain and then Morrow?. I don't see Mouz taking this now that Destiny took out their two Protoss, but it will all come down to whether they can take out Thorzain without taking too much damage from him. I assume SaSe or Nani comes next and snipes him.

If NaNi ever played team leagues that is
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:20:47
January 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#241
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.


It was more of MaNa playing bad/making bad decisions I would say. Not sure if he misread Destiny or something, but cross positions on Tal'Darim is perfect for a Muta-build Zerg. Besides that, I would have thought a strong 2-base gateway timing would have been the best move, or even a Stargate opening to punish the fast 3rd.

Building mutalisks and poking around isn't that amazing--- considering watching Destiny's control of those two flocks of mutas could have been better to inflict more damage, even though at that point it didn't matter (but overall he did well, not throwing away Mutalisks for bad trades). As soon as Destiny had Mutalisks out he had solid control of the map considering MaNa went for Colossus without Blink, that was basically game over. At that point, MaNa's only chance to win was a base trade, building as many Stalkers as possible with the 2-3 Colossus and hoping for a solid base trade win. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine him being able to have a chance, seeing as how Destiny had easy control and was obviously going to mass Expand, while MaNa could not.

And then he sacrificed a lot of units before finally managing to kill that 3rd, which IMO, was not worth it =/. 3-4 Zealots & 3 Stalkers or so when Destiny had used the Hatch to already build a large amount of Drones.
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
January 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#242
Hero vs Dimaga from IEM on TDA is a great game to study from the protoss perspective against an opponent who goes balls to the wall mass mutalisk the entire game. I'd recommend any people here struggling for answers watch that game, it isn't unbeatable, it just requires good decision making and crisp reactions.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#243
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.

How do Templars really stop mutas? they are slow and if they get into the mineral what is the toss going to do? Storm and kill all his own probes to damage mutas? Archons are immobile and with short range make them a joke to chase mutas around with....
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Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#244
On January 27 2012 11:14 SC2NeCro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:13 Letall wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny


So? Having a large fanbase =/= overrated.

Nobody proclaims Destiny is a top tier player, and I see it all the time for Thorzain.


Destiny gets really overhyped any time he wins ANY game vs pretty much any player. He is very overrated although perhaps exclusively by his fans. The reason Thorzain is said to be so good is cause he's very consistant and there are like 2 good terrans in the foreigner scene all together.
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SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:18:36
January 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#245
On January 27 2012 11:15 Active.815 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.


You know who beat NesTea? Haypro.

Yep he's definitely not mid tier either!
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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:19 GMT
#246
On January 27 2012 11:18 SC2NeCro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:15 Active.815 wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.


You know who beat NesTea? Haypro.

Yep he's definitely not mid tier either!

if you're talking about in the TSL, goody beat nestea...
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MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
January 27 2012 02:19 GMT
#247
On January 27 2012 11:14 Loophole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:10 Baffels wrote:
Not sure why people are saying Destiny played well. Mass mutas, miss MaNa expanding past 3 bases and drag out a game that should of been over, I mean really how do you lose that many bases with 60 mutas on the field?

Still hoping for better games, thorzain coming out should be interesting.


I thought Destiny's harass and muta control was very good. He had multiple groups of mutas pulling mana all over the place, forcing him to constantly defend. It was textbook. The point of what he was doing was to drag it out. It's called starving out your opponent and he did it properly. You might not like the strategy, it might not be exciting to you, but Destiny def played well.


Destiny never attacked with both groups at once, Mana had like 5 different groups of stalkers ready at all the places and blinked instantly, stormed, trapped him several times, etc.. Destiny one time flew over 30 stalkers, losing 2 mutas in his pack. Then the commentator said how fragile mutas are.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:20 GMT
#248
On January 27 2012 11:19 TearsOfTheSun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:18 SC2NeCro wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:15 Active.815 wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.


You know who beat NesTea? Haypro.

Yep he's definitely not mid tier either!

if you're talking about in the TSL, goody beat nestea...


huh? haypro knocked nestea out of mlg providence...
naniwa fighting!!!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:20 GMT
#249
On January 27 2012 11:19 TearsOfTheSun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:18 SC2NeCro wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:15 Active.815 wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.


You know who beat NesTea? Haypro.

Yep he's definitely not mid tier either!

if you're talking about in the TSL, goody beat nestea...

hes talking about mlg providence
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obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#250
Thorzain always running the hellions the wrong away around the hatch. Drones escaping.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#251
Anyone else having problems with the stream lagging?
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tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:24:04
January 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#252
if you're talking about in the TSL, goody beat nestea...



Haypro beat Nestea in MLG Providence



Edit: Epic flank by destiny
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
January 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#253
^^ destiny is actually looking pretty strong
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#254
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

User was warned for this post

Top 4 NASL
Top 2 DH Valencia

Pretty impressive MLG performance when he actually went....

Even if we ignore TSL it's hard to call him mediocre.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#255
What a terrible engagement
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#256
Well, he's no Stephano
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#257
And now Destiny is looking pretty dead.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#258
On January 27 2012 11:18 SC2NeCro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:15 Active.815 wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.


You know who beat NesTea? Haypro.

Yep he's definitely not mid tier either!


Then what exactly is your definition of mid-tier? Everybody who hasn't won a gsl/mlg?

You know who Haypro also almost beat? MVP!

I mean really. Calling thorzain overhyped when he 5-0'd QIM in addition to his individual league/game achievements...

Haypro i can semi-understand, because he hasn't produced high-level results. But Thorzain has shown that he is very strong, so...
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#259
what is destiny doing -__-
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#260
On January 27 2012 11:21 Loophole wrote:
Anyone else having problems with the stream lagging?


Yeah sometimes it freezes like 2-3 seconds.
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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:25 GMT
#261
On January 27 2012 11:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

User was warned for this post

Top 4 NASL
Top 2 DH Valencia

Pretty impressive MLG performance when he actually went....

Even if we ignore TSL it's hard to call him mediocre.

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nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 02:25 GMT
#262
On January 27 2012 11:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

User was warned for this post

Top 4 NASL
Top 2 DH Valencia

Pretty impressive MLG performance when he actually went....

Even if we ignore TSL it's hard to call him mediocre.


Jinro settin it straight.

Anyways, looks like Destiny's good run is over. Some impressive ZvP but looks like ThorZaIN was just a little too much for him. Nice run, though.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:25 GMT
#263
Destiny playing really well, I am impressed.
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Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#264
expected result incoming, still, impressive play by destiny!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#265
thorzains macro is just on a different level than destiny
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#266
Thorzain is REALLY good at being patient and methodical about moving his units forward...It's like he forces Destiny to attack him because he's so frustrated.
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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#267
macro destiny MACRO!
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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#268
On January 27 2012 11:26 Whatson wrote:
Thorzain is REALLY good at being patient and methodical about moving his units forward...It's like he forces Destiny to attack him because he's so frustrated.

i totally agree, i love how patient he is!
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#269
LOL sub 150 supply and over 2k minerals banked for destiny...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
January 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#270
Destiny's stay in KR has paid off, it looks like. nice performance!
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Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:28 GMT
#271
both players forgetting how to build stuff
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:28 GMT
#272
Dont know if this has been mentioned before but dear IGN:

-Could you plz stop CONSTANLY reminding us of your various twitters and give-aways and all that non-related stuff?

You know we are not stupid. I dont need to fucking hear you twitter accounts every 5 mins.

I just think there are way too much downtime between games. When a game ends there is like 30 secs og game analyzes, 2 mins of twitter-crap and give aways and then a 3-5 min comercial break. If the game played was really short it pisses me off to hear CataPajamas spamming all the stuff he just did 5 mins earlier.

Sry that this post is not very friendly but I feel like you could give the viewers a much better experience by focusing on Starcraft 2 instead and then when you end the show you can tell twitters and such.

People that are really exited can easily learn about IGN and their casters without constantly getting reminded where to find them.
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#273
On January 27 2012 11:24 corpuscle wrote:
what is destiny doing -__-


that attack works a lot better when terran isnt equal/ahead in upgrades :p
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#274
well nice run by Destiny XD Hope taht quelled some of the haters!
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#275
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

User was warned for this post


I can understand if people call him overrated but call him a mid-tier foreigner (not to mention mediocre) is just ignorant.
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:30:10
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#276
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#277
Ghosts are pretty disgusting. z.z That aside though, Destiny was totally outplayed. Thorzain really is on a whole different level haha.
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
January 27 2012 02:30 GMT
#278
On January 27 2012 11:28 DaCruise wrote:
Dont know if this has been mentioned before but dear IGN:

-Could you plz stop CONSTANLY reminding us of your various twitters and give-aways and all that non-related stuff?

You know we are not stupid. I dont need to fucking hear you twitter accounts every 5 mins.

I just think there are way too much downtime between games. When a game ends there is like 30 secs og game analyzes, 2 mins of twitter-crap and give aways and then a 3-5 min comercial break. If the game played was really short it pisses me off to hear CataPajamas spamming all the stuff he just did 5 mins earlier.

Sry that this post is not very friendly but I feel like you could give the viewers a much better experience by focusing on Starcraft 2 instead and then when you end the show you can tell twitters and such.

People that are really exited can easily learn about IGN and their casters without constantly getting reminded where to find them.

Especially when some of the giveaways are IPL apparel like stickers and whatnot : [
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klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 02:30 GMT
#279
There we go. Order is again restored to the univserse.
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Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#280
Dear Blizzard, could you give Protoss ghosts too?

It would make the world a better place ( for me, at least).

Thank you.
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decerto
Profile Joined November 2011
244 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#281
First mass infestors and now mass mutas, any success destiny has seems funnily correlated with the emergence of ridiculously strong strats v protoss
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#282
On January 27 2012 11:29 Sanchonator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:24 corpuscle wrote:
what is destiny doing -__-


that attack works a lot better when terran isnt equal/ahead in upgrades :p


and when they don't have high ground and are perfectly positioned with a vastly superior army both composition and tech wise and you don't burn 100% of your infestor energy on a weird infested terran move
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#283
On January 27 2012 11:28 DaCruise wrote:
Dont know if this has been mentioned before but dear IGN:

-Could you plz stop CONSTANLY reminding us of your various twitters and give-aways and all that non-related stuff?

You know we are not stupid. I dont need to fucking hear you twitter accounts every 5 mins.

I just think there are way too much downtime between games. When a game ends there is like 30 secs og game analyzes, 2 mins of twitter-crap and give aways and then a 3-5 min comercial break. If the game played was really short it pisses me off to hear CataPajamas spamming all the stuff he just did 5 mins earlier.

Sry that this post is not very friendly but I feel like you could give the viewers a much better experience by focusing on Starcraft 2 instead and then when you end the show you can tell twitters and such.

People that are really exited can easily learn about IGN and their casters without constantly getting reminded where to find them.


They are giving you a free service. It costs you nothing. Just tab out and watch something else man.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Gnarfle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:32:45
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#284
EDIT; It was on the first post...duh.
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#285
Quantic saving its aces N&S for the killing blow.
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#286
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?


Not being on two bases helps.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
January 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#287
On January 27 2012 11:28 DaCruise wrote:
Dont know if this has been mentioned before but dear IGN:

-Could you plz stop CONSTANLY reminding us of your various twitters and give-aways and all that non-related stuff?

You know we are not stupid. I dont need to fucking hear you twitter accounts every 5 mins.

I just think there are way too much downtime between games. When a game ends there is like 30 secs og game analyzes, 2 mins of twitter-crap and give aways and then a 3-5 min comercial break. If the game played was really short it pisses me off to hear CataPajamas spamming all the stuff he just did 5 mins earlier.

Sry that this post is not very friendly but I feel like you could give the viewers a much better experience by focusing on Starcraft 2 instead and then when you end the show you can tell twitters and such.

People that are really exited can easily learn about IGN and their casters without constantly getting reminded where to find them.


really? I don't think that the Downtime is much at all... It's like commercial -> follow twitter -> game...

I think you gotta chill
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:32 GMT
#288
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?

the game was pretty much lost before snipe was a factor. it just kind of sped it up
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bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:32 GMT
#289
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?


Snipe was so irrelevant at the end. It was 130 to 196 supply. Terran can only transition into Ghost after they get a lead, in my opinion, and Thorzain had a huge lead before Ghosts.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 27 2012 02:32 GMT
#290
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?

Not be so far behind to begin with.

But what is with this Quantic pick? Two losses already, and you throw a non-SaSe, non-NaNiwa, non-Apocalypse player? And it's a protoss vs ThorZaIN? Come again?
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#291
On January 27 2012 11:31 Bashion wrote:
Dear Blizzard, could you give Protoss ghosts too?

It would make the world a better place ( for me, at least).

Thank you.

well you probably get the replicator
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:33:37
January 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#292
idea - damage reduction vs. massive for snipe?

this is probably not the right time i know, im just thinking out loud here.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#293
calling it now naniwa isnt gonna play, sad but when has he ever played in team games?
naniwa fighting!!!
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
January 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#294
It's not like antiga + golds is a particularly easy zvt win anyway.
Gnarfle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden170 Posts
January 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#295
I think the reason behind sase & naniwa being reluctant to play is because they're in korea. Maybe they want to play vs morrow
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#296
On January 27 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:31 Bashion wrote:
Dear Blizzard, could you give Protoss ghosts too?

It would make the world a better place ( for me, at least).

Thank you.

well you probably get the replicator


But i wont be able to use it against zerg.

Lets do this. Protoss gives Terran mothership, and we get ghosts ^^.
I've got moves like Jagger
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#297
On January 27 2012 11:32 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?

Not be so far behind to begin with.

But what is with this Quantic pick? Two losses already, and you throw a non-SaSe, non-NaNiwa, non-Apocalypse player? And it's a protoss vs ThorZaIN? Come again?
its very possible that one or more of those players were not available when the games were played.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#298
On January 27 2012 11:33 Sackings wrote:
calling it now naniwa isnt gonna play, sad but when has he ever played in team games?


It's very possible that Naniwa will not be fielded. I remember talking to someone affiliated with Quantic who mentioned that Naniwa rarely plays in Team tournaments.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#299
well agh has pretty much already lost lol
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#300
On January 27 2012 11:31 MK4512 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:28 DaCruise wrote:
Dont know if this has been mentioned before but dear IGN:

-Could you plz stop CONSTANLY reminding us of your various twitters and give-aways and all that non-related stuff?

You know we are not stupid. I dont need to fucking hear you twitter accounts every 5 mins.

I just think there are way too much downtime between games. When a game ends there is like 30 secs og game analyzes, 2 mins of twitter-crap and give aways and then a 3-5 min comercial break. If the game played was really short it pisses me off to hear CataPajamas spamming all the stuff he just did 5 mins earlier.

Sry that this post is not very friendly but I feel like you could give the viewers a much better experience by focusing on Starcraft 2 instead and then when you end the show you can tell twitters and such.

People that are really exited can easily learn about IGN and their casters without constantly getting reminded where to find them.


really? I don't think that the Downtime is much at all... It's like commercial -> follow twitter -> game...

I think you gotta chill


Maybe it has improved lately. I havnt been watching that much IGN stuff recently as there used to be commercials/downtime almost every time I tuned in a couple of months back.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#301
On January 27 2012 11:31 ratzp0li wrote:
Quantic saving its aces N&S for the killing blow.


Thorzain+Morrow > Naniwa+Sase
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 02:37 GMT
#302
On January 27 2012 11:31 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:29 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:24 corpuscle wrote:
what is destiny doing -__-


that attack works a lot better when terran isnt equal/ahead in upgrades :p


and when they don't have high ground and are perfectly positioned with a vastly superior army both composition and tech wise and you don't burn 100% of your infestor energy on a weird infested terran move


he has done it a few times on his stream in a similar fashion and it works fairly well, i agree the position wasnt good for it though
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:37 GMT
#303
On January 27 2012 11:33 Sackings wrote:
calling it now naniwa isnt gonna play, sad but when has he ever played in team games?


I've rarely see him play cross regional play. I guess it's more likely we'll see him if Morrow end up playing (since he's in Korea as well)
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#304
On January 27 2012 11:31 Ausfailia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:29 Nosferatos wrote:
Snipe = instawin
What can a zerg do in this situation?


Not being on two bases helps.


on paper, transfuse is more energy effective then snipe, while queens are even cheaper then ghosts and the same supply :p. So Basically every queen conters one ghosts energy completly. Looks a bit different ingame though. x3
Zamee
Profile Joined July 2011
England51 Posts
January 27 2012 02:39 GMT
#305
Streams just gone white with the exclamation mark in the middle when the Agh game started, anyone know why and how to fix it?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#306
Terrible. Mouz, what the hell are you doing in this series?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#307
SWEET 6 GATE BRO
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#308
On January 27 2012 11:36 GDbushido wrote:
well agh has pretty much already lost lol

lol wut?
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GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#309
this is why you need a supply depot wall at your natural vs protoss as well as zerg.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#310
Wow, Quantic is doing really well today, and Sase and Naniwa have not been played yet.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#311
Meh, shows how much I know. Really bad error by ThorZaIN to not expect something like that though.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
January 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#312
why the hell didnt he build atleast a second bunker..
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#313
Good play by Agh, but what is he doing? I understand it's difficult to finish games, but man, he had it right there. I still think he'll win, though.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
January 27 2012 02:42 GMT
#314
I don't think there's anything I like more than a pylon kill causing a mass warp in cancel.
@followMVT
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 02:42 GMT
#315
Well, Thorzain is probably gonna win this now
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GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#316
On January 27 2012 11:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:36 GDbushido wrote:
well agh has pretty much already lost lol

lol wut?
thorzain was way ahead, then lost to a fucking zealot sentry timing. bad play by terran.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#317
Thorzain sees the proxy pylon, replies badly to the 6 gate anyway.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:44:23
January 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#318
On January 27 2012 11:41 nhoJJohn wrote:
Good play by Agh, but what is he doing? I understand it's difficult to finish games, but man, he had it right there. I still think he'll win, though.


One of the most frustrating things about foreigners compared to Koreans is that they generally do not know how to finish games. I think Agh should have this, but there have been too many times when a foreigner has built up a lead, only to blow it away through inability to kill their opponent.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#319
These announcers are killing me here. The last thing protoss wants to do when they have that advantage is to try to get over aggressive and push up the ramp. Thorzain had medivacs and several marauders. The sentries were too far back to trap them with force fields. You have to back off in that situation as protoss.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dembski
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:46:44
January 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#320
CatsPajamas said "Agh played really well" and i disagree. This wasn't well played, it was just an all-in, quite commonly done by protoss who are not too confident in PvT. Thorzain is not done though, hope he can do it!

EDIT: Wow, dark templar needing 2 hits to kill a worker. You don't see that too often
Strike hard and fast.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:45:07
January 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#321
On January 27 2012 11:43 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:36 GDbushido wrote:
well agh has pretty much already lost lol

lol wut?
thorzain was way ahead, then lost to a fucking zealot sentry timing. bad play by terran.

*following your logic* build only SCV's and complain why everyone is killing you
No carpal tunnel no skill
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#322
On January 27 2012 11:44 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:43 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:36 GDbushido wrote:
well agh has pretty much already lost lol

lol wut?
thorzain was way ahead, then lost to a fucking zealot sentry timing. bad play by terran.

*following your logic* build only SCV's and complain why everyone is killing you


This. Terrans love to build only SCVs and then if protoss attacks it's an "all-in". Noobs don't know what an all in is.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:48:08
January 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#323
nvm
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#324
What a terrible terrible engagement.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#325
Jesus Agh you stupid mofo
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#326
Not sure if Terran OP as fuck or if AGH is just that bad? xD

User was warned for this post
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#327
How can they be even on upgrades if Agh is going gateway style, did he forget dbl forges?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:48:48
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#328
Thorzain's upgrades just allowed him to catch up somewhat
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#329
Agh YOU CANNOT LOSE!!!
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:48:55
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#330
It was more bad unit comp from agh than it was good upgrades for thorzain. Plent of zealots to tank but no damage coming in from behind. he had like 5 stalkers and no storms or colossi.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#331
hurts my brain watching this, so glad i didn't ob this ;_;
@QxGDarkCell ._.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:49 GMT
#332
Lol Agh. Not killing Thorzain when he had the chance was a terrible decision. Thorzain is a boss in the mid-late game when he is allowed to macro, you can't let him do that if you had the chance to kill him earlier!
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:49 GMT
#333
What the announcer is missing is that while Agh was allowing the supplies to even out, he was expanding again and teching and adding a zillion gates. >_<
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:50 GMT
#334
lol jesus worst storms of all time this is sad to watch
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:54:21
January 27 2012 02:50 GMT
#335
Wow, way to throw a game away. I'm impressed.

Nevermind, I come back a couple of minutes later and he's in front.

And now he suicides his army again. Holy wow.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:51:06
January 27 2012 02:50 GMT
#336
What a thrown game. Horrible engagements and army control.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#337
Agh is throwing this away so bad, but I'm happy because I want Mouz to win <3
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Dembski
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland16 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#338
I don't even know how Agh could lose that army SO BADLY
Strike hard and fast.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#339
if he waited for 3/3 and 4 colossus he could have just a-moved lol...
naniwa fighting!!!
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#340
Tzain sooooooo good
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:52:08
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#341
My god, Agh bungled this game.

This is like the SangHo vs Calm game that was so disastrous that it led to SangHo being accused of match-fixing and ended his BW progaming career. Obviously that means nothing about Agh, but it just means that this game is a really really unfortunate.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#342
God EMP is so tough! Totally turning this game around with that spell. Shields? Gone. Storms? Nope. Archons? Paper. =)
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#343
koreans are watching this and laughing.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 02:52 GMT
#344
On January 27 2012 11:50 Bagration wrote:
What a thrown game. Horrible engagements and army control.


This just shows how stupid all-ins can be imo, the comeback from ThorZaiN shows he's the better player or Agh gets really really nervous when he's in the lead or something.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 02:52 GMT
#345
So...Agh wants his colossi to be sniped?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#346
well zealots aren't that good against heavy marine bio compositions, agh learned that now, letting thorzain back into the game, on the other hand thorzain perfect read and dodge on the storms, so impressive.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#347
That was a worker massacre...ouch
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#348
lol agh can sit back atm, killed 50 scv xD
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#349
WTF is going on in this game?????
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Dembski
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 02:54:23
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#350
Eh what is going on?

Ok, nvm, it's gg now
Strike hard and fast.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#351
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#352
agh floating almost 3k minerals, adds 3 gates

seriously theyre laughing
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
January 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#353
Lol @ attacking the planetary
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#354
On January 27 2012 11:53 Loophole wrote:
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!


his engagements have almost all been terrible unfortunately
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#355
On January 27 2012 11:53 Loophole wrote:
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!


lol @ myself. Agh's army just got roflstomped.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#356
Wow did Agh really just do that? Thorzain has a chance now. Wow that was a bad decision by Agh o.O
nhoJJohn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada82 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#357
On January 27 2012 11:53 Loophole wrote:
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!


I don't think Agh has any advantage to expand on, to be honest. SMH Agh.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#358
On January 27 2012 11:53 Loophole wrote:
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!

No.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#359
On January 27 2012 11:53 Loophole wrote:
ROFL. People in this thread are hilarious. Agh has been playing great, patient, expanding on his advantage all game. Announcers calling the game for Thorzain... lol. SCV Genocide!

Playing great? You watching the same game as everyone else? Did you not see's 10 crappy storms in a row followed by countless terrible engagments followed by not upgrading and slow teching? AGH has played like crap after that first push and has gotten lucky with that massive worker kills...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#360
Oh god, another worker massacre, what is this world coming to?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
January 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#361
Thorzain replies with his own worker kills. Poor probes
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
January 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#362
funny game in some way
No carpal tunnel no skill
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#363
Why Build Collo when Thorz have 50 Viking, talk about throwing a game.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
January 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#364
Destiny beat HasuObs and Mana? What happened lol.

Mouz though, only six players, they are the very definition of lean and mean. Hopefully Thorzain mop Quantic up from here.
Logic is Overrated
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#365
On January 27 2012 11:51 tree.hugger wrote:
My god, Agh bungled this game.

This is like the SangHo vs Calm game that was so disastrous that it led to SangHo being accused of match-fixing and ended his BW progaming career. Obviously that means nothing about Agh, but it just means that this game is a really really unfortunate.


From what I understand, it's a game of gentleman's. Agh starts out strong but then is like no, I don't really want to win Thorzain you take it! Thorzain initially fancy to the offer, decides to go with it but after thinking about it for a moment decides that wouldn't be fair so he gives it back to Agh. Now Agh is visibly upset (and who wouldn't be?) decides to make an offer Thorzain can't refuse. The all-out Planetary attack!
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
January 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#366
This is such a good game!!!
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
January 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#367
I wonder if Quantic is going to send Agh out to play ever again for the remainder of this tournament.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#368
why keep committing to colossi if you're not going to get any aa besides archons lol, this has been a weird game >.>
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#369
where is Agh even from, NA?
naniwa fighting!!!
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#370
planetary fortresses... probably shouldn't have attacked that.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#371
Worst engagements by Agh ever. Constantly losing tons of units left and right due to indecisiveness and the worst storms ever seen in a game. Holy crap.
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#372
Jesus I die every a battle, so much bad play.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#373
What a weird game :s
| MC | Hero | Parting | Seed | Oz | Jangbi | MKP | sC | Keen | Clide | NaDa | Losira | Moon | DIMAGA | Jaedong | Nestea |
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#374
Agh is getting so outplayed...Thorzain is just so patient
Imerej
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada291 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#375
Thorzain the destroyer of armies! His engagements and unit composition are so good!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#376
lol agh, that was pretty bad =/
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#377
ugh AGH gave this game away :c
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
itsTheSituatioN
Profile Joined June 2011
United States70 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#378
wow insane comeback... thorzain engagement micro is pretty good, just totally outclassed agh
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#379
This has been either a very very bad game, or a game that is so good that I can't understand it.
Horrible engagements, horrible positioning, horrible tech choices.
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#380
protoss herp derping into a planetary

seriously what am i watching right now
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#381
never heard of Agh before but pushing thorzain to a 40min game is pretty damn good
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#382
go thorzain!!!! this game really demonstrates the gap in decision making between top players vs not-so-top players
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#383
Thorzain building Nukes XD
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Sky_
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada116 Posts
January 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#384
Why so spoony?
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#385
On January 27 2012 11:59 Pulimuli wrote:
never heard of Agh before but pushing thorzain to a 40min game is pretty damn good


LOL he won the game with his 6 gate but choose to go home after the CC at ThorZaiNs natural lifted, then slowly but surely The Spoon Terran made his return and look now
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#386
On January 27 2012 11:59 Pulimuli wrote:
never heard of Agh before but pushing thorzain to a 40min game is pretty damn good

Not really pushing thorzain... more like he got insanely ahead early game mixed with Thorzain being notorious for slow pushes....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
January 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#387
Just awful engagements by Agh. Relying on so many zealots, but not engaging in those broad areas that are nice for zeals to get surrounds
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Dembski
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:02:14
January 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#388
If you won't look on engagements, Agh played REALLY well. But those battles were just awful every time. Maybe it's not Agh bad but Thorzain's great positioning?
Strike hard and fast.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#389
On January 27 2012 12:00 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:59 Pulimuli wrote:
never heard of Agh before but pushing thorzain to a 40min game is pretty damn good

Not really pushing thorzain... more like he got insanely ahead early game mixed with Thorzain being notorious for slow pushes....



well that explains it, i just tuned in ^^
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#390
Thank god that game is over....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#391
Fuck yeah Thorzain!

Spoon Terran fighting

Nice comeback win
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#392
On January 27 2012 12:01 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:00 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:59 Pulimuli wrote:
never heard of Agh before but pushing thorzain to a 40min game is pretty damn good

Not really pushing thorzain... more like he got insanely ahead early game mixed with Thorzain being notorious for slow pushes....



well that explains it, i just tuned in ^^

Haha you are lucky.. that was painful to watch xD
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#393
On January 27 2012 12:01 Dembski wrote:
If you won't look on engagements, Agh played REALLY well. But those battles were just awful every time. Maybe it's not Agh bad but Thorzain's good?


No, Agh had Throzain by the balls, but got scared and gave it away bit by bit.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#394
TSL 3 REMATCH!!!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Nosforit
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada260 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#395
I don't actually understand why Thorzain waited for that long. He scanned Agh's army like 4 times. How do you not realize you can crush that?
The time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#396
Best game ever inc
Dont tase me bro
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#397
How can you not look at engagements? Agh did everything bad, the only thing he did well was that he caught Thorzain off guard with a 6 gate. Thats it. All game long after that he got outplayed so hard.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#398
OH MY !
naniwa fighting!!!
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#399
On January 27 2012 12:01 Dembski wrote:
If you won't look on engagements, Agh played REALLY well. But those battles were just awful every time. Maybe it's not Agh bad but Thorzain's great positioning?


No one forced to him to fight in those battles. He's bad.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#400
Oh yes now this is a team league
@followMVT
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#401
eeeeeeeee!!!

TSL3 final inc
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#402
Hell Yeah :D
Go Thorzain!
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#403
NANI!
| MC | Hero | Parting | Seed | Oz | Jangbi | MKP | sC | Keen | Clide | NaDa | Losira | Moon | DIMAGA | Jaedong | Nestea |
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#404
NaNi playing in a team league? what blasphemy is this? Hope it's a good match ^^
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#405
On January 27 2012 12:01 Dembski wrote:
If you won't look on engagements, Agh played REALLY well. But those battles were just awful every time. Maybe it's not Agh bad but Thorzain's great positioning?


Poor decision making and indecisiveness. There were times when Agh looked unsure on whether or not to engage, charging his units in halfway then pulling out. He also chose to engage in terrible places.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#406
Naniwa vs Thorzain

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#407
Agh allowed the spoonage, so he got spooned.
I like the overall macro part of Agh's play, but his battle management wasn't very good.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#408
naniwa coming in to show Agh how to play toss
naniwa fighting!!!
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#409
On January 27 2012 12:01 Dembski wrote:
If you won't look on engagements, Agh played REALLY well. But those battles were just awful every time. Maybe it's not Agh bad but Thorzain's great positioning?

Thorzain certainly is a great player who makes people look bad
still Agh looked so bad it can't be "REALLY well"
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
January 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#410
Thorzain vs Naniwa...

better hold off on that second pair of pants until the match is over.
Logic is Overrated
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#411
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#412
On January 27 2012 12:03 Sackings wrote:
naniwa coming in to show Agh how to play toss


Naniwa gonna show everyone how to play toss :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#413
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#414
Ha, Nani finally playing for his team, I'm glad to see that. Each time seeing Nani not playing for his team makes me imagine a lot of bad things, so I'm glad to see him today :p
tDKyou
Profile Joined September 2011
United States202 Posts
January 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#415
AWW SNAP. HERE WE GOO~
SeleCT - RainBOw - Bomber - TaeJa - Mvp
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#416
On January 27 2012 12:04 MrCon wrote:
Ha, Nani finally playing for his team, I'm glad to see that. Each time seeing Nani not playing for his team makes me imagine a lot of bad things, so I'm glad to see him today :p


I second the sentiment.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#417
t-zain/NaNiwa......

HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE

I think Naniwa will take it though, thorzain will have to win it with his guile
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#418
On January 27 2012 12:04 MrCon wrote:
Ha, Nani finally playing for his team, I'm glad to see that. Each time seeing Nani not playing for his team makes me imagine a lot of bad things, so I'm glad to see him today :p

He probably heard Thorzain was gonna play so he decided to play.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 27 2012 03:07 GMT
#419
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.

Lol, I had a feeling he would do that too :D
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 03:07 GMT
#420
lol naniwa going nexus first, tzain proxy rax...
naniwa fighting!!!
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 03:07 GMT
#421
well gg..
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#422
nani nooooooooooooo
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#423
wow nani, holy fucking greedy build
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#424
I can't believe people are still talking about those 7 probes....
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#425
I know I'm late, but Destiny beating MaNa and HasuObs is quite impressive. Also ThorzaIN vs Naniwa is gonna be ill.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#426
On January 27 2012 12:06 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:04 MrCon wrote:
Ha, Nani finally playing for his team, I'm glad to see that. Each time seeing Nani not playing for his team makes me imagine a lot of bad things, so I'm glad to see him today :p

He probably heard Thorzain was gonna play so he decided to play.

Yep. This game has so much history :D
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#427
LOL Tzain playing toward the map 100%, I really like this but what's gonna happen when NaNiwa still scouts no cc ><
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#428
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
January 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#429
Lmao, spoon terran bringing out the knife.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:10:07
January 27 2012 03:09 GMT
#430
On January 27 2012 12:08 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?


He is half right so far. It does not have to be a bad game though...hopefully

Edit: Yeah, about that...he's from the future.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:09 GMT
#431
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.

We have a winner!
jdsarge
Profile Joined October 2010
United States308 Posts
January 27 2012 03:09 GMT
#432
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.

O_O
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#433
loled
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#434
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


lol
| MC | Hero | Parting | Seed | Oz | Jangbi | MKP | sC | Keen | Clide | NaDa | Losira | Moon | DIMAGA | Jaedong | Nestea |
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#435
Man, the sadest thing ever
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#436
GG

T-ZAIN IS A BOSS.

I can imagine how bad that is for Naniwa. He must be so pissed T_T
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#437
BUH BYE NANIWA HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Thorzain just destroying him!!!!!!!
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#438
JUST KILL ME NOW GOD
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#439
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.


lol Take my money sir.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#440
Just like old times, eh naniwa xD
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:10:46
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#441
On January 27 2012 12:09 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:08 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?


He is half right so far. It does not have to be a bad game though...hopefully


It was bad :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#442
Well... that was disappointing ._.
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#443
Quantic had this...
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#444
Nani is just greedy.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#445
meh, toss should know by now no Terran is going to play standard on that map
naniwa fighting!!!
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#446
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Yep.

Naniwa will be in here to explain I bet.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#447
Scrubtoss
silentsod
Profile Joined August 2010
United States198 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#448
Sheez why won't Thorzain ever be aggressive?
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#449
5:22 °_°

Great move by Thorzain, that was the perfect strategy.
o choro é livre
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#450
Well that was horribly anti-climatic. Very smart of Thorzain though, and a win is a win.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#451
LOL, Thorzain trolling when everyone is expecting an epic rematch.

Really well executed cheese though.

Poor Nani...
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#452
On January 27 2012 12:10 Nosferatos wrote:
Man, the sadest thing ever


Nah, it was great, because you see cheese so rarely from Thorzain, his opponents never expect it and it's so funny XD
YipCraft
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#453
Oh terran..You so silly =D
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#454
On January 27 2012 12:09 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:08 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?


He is half right so far. It does not have to be a bad game though...hopefully


idk, would have been better they got more bases up but it's rather sad that NaNi's first go in a team league gets him out in less than 10min T_T
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#455
On January 27 2012 12:08 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:06 pdd wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:04 MrCon wrote:
Ha, Nani finally playing for his team, I'm glad to see that. Each time seeing Nani not playing for his team makes me imagine a lot of bad things, so I'm glad to see him today :p

He probably heard Thorzain was gonna play so he decided to play.

Yep. This game has so much history :D


hahaha, thorzain is just like "naw, its cool"
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Nosforit
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada260 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#456
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.


I demand you name change to Nostradamus.

The time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#457
What an anti-climatic game haha. Oh well, Mouz hwaiting! 5-2 gogo ThorZaIN!!!
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#458
Motherfucking SaSe! <33 Love that man, such a sick player.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#459
oh thorzain is such a baller
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#460
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#461
Thorzain cheesed? First time in forever...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#462
On January 27 2012 12:10 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:09 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:08 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?


He is half right so far. It does not have to be a bad game though...hopefully


It was bad :D


So much for optimism.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#463
I feel like Protoss almost do worse against a bunker rush than Zerg.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#464
Poor Nani, I feel bad for him there since I really wanted to see big macro game between the 2 Swedish Titans. But I am a bit happy Thorzain wins at least despite the cheese
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:11:54
January 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#465
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.

xD sweet
what next?
No carpal tunnel no skill
starfish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#466
what a silly build order loss, so sad to see these losses instead of seeing who the better player is.
Jeromir
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden39 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#467
Why did nani go for nexus first when he scouted no rax and no cc in terran base? Dissapointing game..
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:12:54
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#468
Looks like ThorZaiN brought with him the kitchen knife

On January 27 2012 12:11 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:10 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:09 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:08 eYeball wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:04 Dexington wrote:
I bet one of them cheeses and we get a hilariously bad game.


Are you from the future?


He is half right so far. It does not have to be a bad game though...hopefully


It was bad :D


So much for optimism.


Maybe next game will be better... hopefully ^_^
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#469
im a protox and canz expand with no gatewayz becuse im toss
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#470
On January 27 2012 12:10 AysiktiriX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:10 Nosferatos wrote:
Man, the sadest thing ever


Nah, it was great, because you see cheese so rarely from Thorzain, his opponents never expect it and it's so funny XD


The statement that the proxy rax is becoming more common against Protoss is correct. Thorzain executed the same build in SCI4 on Tal'darim.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#471
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#472
Save your team SaSe!!!!!
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#473
damn son destiny beat 2 top foreign protoss son.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#474
well i knew he lost to proxy2rax but didn't see the game. not sure why he went nexus first after scouting, seems like if he just went delayed gate he'd have been fine ><
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#475
On January 27 2012 12:11 Nosforit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:04 Nosferatos wrote:
10 bucks says Thorzain bunker rushes.


I demand you name change to Nostradamus.



It's a good prediction... but you guys realize that Catz and Doa have been joking about how Thorzain has always Bunker rushed Protoss who FE (especially in IPL)?

So it's not exactly something he's never done before.
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
January 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#476
LOL, no rax in main = nexus first.


That was ridiculous.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#477
On January 27 2012 12:12 starfish wrote:
what a silly build order loss, so sad to see these losses instead of seeing who the better player is.

Well if you scout a terran, see no barracks in his main and no CC, and you still nexus first...I think you deserve to lose.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#478
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#479
On January 27 2012 12:11 Whatson wrote:
Thorzain cheesed? First time in forever...


He uses cheese every now and then. His cheese is usually weak.
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#480
On January 27 2012 12:11 Nosferatos wrote:
I feel like Protoss almost do worse against a bunker rush than Zerg.

Zerg learned painfully over months how to deal with it
clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
January 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#481
machete terran macheting his way through naniwa
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#482
On January 27 2012 12:12 aintz wrote:
damn son destiny beat 2 top foreign protoss son.


Destiny's win over Hasuobs was legit and he really impressed me there. But his playstyle and seemingly Mana's play in that game was more of Mana reacting too slowly, and getting destroyed by a pretty strong build order win from Destiny. I am glad HotS will alleviate that mass muta BS against Toss.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#483
On January 27 2012 12:12 Rabbet wrote:
im a protox and canz expand with no gatewayz becuse im toss

Yes, because Terran can't CC first and Zerg NEVER Hatch firsts.

Holy fuck I swear TL gets worse by the day.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
January 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#484
I went to make a sandwich and get a drink I come back and the game is over? WTF out of all the times to cheese Thorzain! Damn you Glad you won though!
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:15 GMT
#485
On January 27 2012 12:12 starfish wrote:
what a silly build order loss, so sad to see these losses instead of seeing who the better player is.


Thorzain is the better player in that game. That wasn't a build order loss. Nani scouted the cheese and chose the wrong build, so he got snuffed out. When you scout no rax in the main, you have to respond or lose.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
January 27 2012 03:15 GMT
#486
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:20:54
January 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#487
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.

On such a protoss-favored map he probably should've expected it too.
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Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:16:57
January 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#488
On January 27 2012 12:15 Loophole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:12 starfish wrote:
what a silly build order loss, so sad to see these losses instead of seeing who the better player is.


Thorzain is the better player in that game. That wasn't a build order loss. Nani scouted the cheese and chose the wrong build, so he got snuffed out. When you scout no rax in the main, you have to respond or lose.


he didnt scout the cheese, he scouted the main and saw nothing which means either proxy or cc first, he picked wrong


edit~ yes he couldve noticed the missing scvs... but eh i guess he didnt
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#489
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.


2 SCVs
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#490
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.

Heck even I can tell when theres likely to be proxy raxes...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 27 2012 03:17 GMT
#491
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.

Why did Naniwa even scout if he was going to do a nex first anyway? What scouting information would prompt him to deviate from nexus first if not no gas and no barracks in sight?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 03:18 GMT
#492
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:18 GMT
#493
If Sase loses then all of Quantic's wins would have been from Destiny. Just saying
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:19 GMT
#494
On January 27 2012 12:17 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.

Why did Naniwa even scout if he was going to do a nex first anyway? What scouting information would prompt him to deviate from nexus first if not no gas and no barracks in sight?

Naniwa just always plays greedy
¯\_(シ)_/¯
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:19 GMT
#495
really fast forge from sase...armor timing inc?
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#496
On January 27 2012 12:17 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:15 Adebisi wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:13 Sanchonator wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:11 bennyaus wrote:
Who drops a nexus after not scouting a barracks in the main? He would've been better off dropping a forge and a cannon almost if he wanted to try that.


probably thought it was cc first until it was too late

A pro like Naniwa really should be able to see there's SCVs missing and its a proxy.

Why did Naniwa even scout if he was going to do a nex first anyway? What scouting information would prompt him to deviate from nexus first if not no gas and no barracks in sight?


He would know the timing for cc first.

He would know that there were 2 scvs missing.

He would know those 2 scvs would be doing dirty dirty things.

He still went nexus first...and later scouted no expo AGAIN.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#497
Go_Go SaSe!! You can do it )))
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#498
On January 27 2012 12:14 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:12 Rabbet wrote:
im a protox and canz expand with no gatewayz becuse im toss

Yes, because Terran can't CC first and Zerg NEVER Hatch firsts.

Holy fuck I swear TL gets worse by the day.


Its been getting worse for years
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:21:53
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#499
Naniwa just felt bad that we didn't get the usual embarrassing Destiny 2rax loss and decided to give the fans what they want.
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:22:12
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#500
great defense there, charge wasnt even finished. very nicely done.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#501
SaSe will win this I think. Too early to tell. But SaSe imo is fairly ahead and he wouldn't be as apprehensive as Agh.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#502
On January 27 2012 12:14 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:12 Rabbet wrote:
im a protox and canz expand with no gatewayz becuse im toss

Yes, because Terran can't CC first and Zerg NEVER Hatch firsts.

Holy fuck I swear TL gets worse by the day.


Don't worry Flanq. If you were around in the early days of Brood War, the same thing went down. We had this period of everyone constantly complaining about the other races. It took a couple of years for people to just chill out and play the game. We're just going through the same thing again.

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"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
January 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#503
Thorzain laged out? Justice prevails!
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:24:08
January 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#504
Sase will probably win this...
Poor Thorzain, lagging at the worst possible times
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#505
Sase ahead, but unlike Agh I do not think he will throw his lead away.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#506
On January 27 2012 12:18 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.

SaSe can beat Thorzain and Morrow if he plays at his best, pardon my ignorance though, who is Bigs? Seen the name but don't know him.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#507
Now THAT's how you use chargelots properly!
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#508
On January 27 2012 12:24 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:18 MrCon wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.

SaSe can beat Thorzain and Morrow if he plays at his best, pardon my ignorance though, who is Bigs? Seen the name but don't know him.


Swiss zerg
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#509
fuck yeah sase. now that was some nice play.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#510
Stick a fork in Thorzain. He's done.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#511
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#512
Nice Sase! Humm, who else does Mouz have?
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#513
SaSe so good

damn!!!
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#514
On January 27 2012 12:24 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:24 Flanq wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:18 MrCon wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.

SaSe can beat Thorzain and Morrow if he plays at his best, pardon my ignorance though, who is Bigs? Seen the name but don't know him.


Swiss zerg

He good? What's his history and does he have any impressive recent results?
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#515
On January 27 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg

Small choke, sick forcefields.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#516
On January 27 2012 12:24 KimJongChill wrote:
Nice Sase! Humm, who else does Mouz have?


BiGs, Morrow and if Mouz ever decides to throw in Heromarine.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:26 GMT
#517
On January 27 2012 12:24 KimJongChill wrote:
Nice Sase! Humm, who else does Mouz have?


biGs and MorroW

Don't underrate biGs he's a fucking boss, though I haven't seen much of his ZvP to be completely honest =(
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 03:26 GMT
#518
I wanna see MorroW vs SaSe!!! both in KR right?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#519
On January 27 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg
the upgrades were the reason he held, and HTs came after the third was established. that was well played by protoss and thats all there is to it.

what thorzain should have done was backed off, waited for medivacs then drop harassed while getting his third. bad decision making by spoonman.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
RaiderRob
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands377 Posts
January 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#520
On January 27 2012 12:25 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:24 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:24 Flanq wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:18 MrCon wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.

SaSe can beat Thorzain and Morrow if he plays at his best, pardon my ignorance though, who is Bigs? Seen the name but don't know him.


Swiss zerg

He good? What's his history and does he have any impressive recent results?


I haven't seen any big tournament results from him, I've only seen him in smaller European online tournaments. If I remember correctly he was pretty good with doing ling surrounds on Protoss.
People don't want freedom but fair leadership
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:28 GMT
#521
On January 27 2012 12:25 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:24 Bagration wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:24 Flanq wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:18 MrCon wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
I'd be shocked if Sase can beat Thorzain, Morrow and Bigs.

I think he can, but it'll be hard obviously =)
I hope he'll beat Thorzain, for the suspense and to see some Morrow.
By the way, these are replays, right ? Even with replays, it's amazing they manage to organize this.

SaSe can beat Thorzain and Morrow if he plays at his best, pardon my ignorance though, who is Bigs? Seen the name but don't know him.


Swiss zerg

He good? What's his history and does he have any impressive recent results?


He took out 2 Slayers players in the last TAC. Ryung and someone else.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:29 GMT
#522
On January 27 2012 12:27 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg
the upgrades were the reason he held, and HTs came after the third was established. that was well played by protoss and thats all there is to it.

what thorzain should have done was backed off, waited for medivacs then drop harassed while getting his third. bad decision making by spoonman.


Thorzain had +1 to SaSe's 1/1,its why he attacked... and 2/2 wasn't completed until SaSe pushed to win.

Agree with medis tho, blind vikings delayed them
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
January 27 2012 03:31 GMT
#523
Hate how ThorZaIN took out Destiny, =( he was having such a great run.

I feel that Destiny has improved so much recently, but people never really change their minds about a player unless they have a ridiculously high result.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:31 GMT
#524
On January 27 2012 12:29 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:27 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg
the upgrades were the reason he held, and HTs came after the third was established. that was well played by protoss and thats all there is to it.

what thorzain should have done was backed off, waited for medivacs then drop harassed while getting his third. bad decision making by spoonman.


Thorzain had +1 to SaSe's 1/1,its why he attacked... and 2/2 wasn't completed until SaSe pushed to win.

Agree with medis tho, blind vikings delayed them
did thorzain have weps or armor? because those zealots seemed to live way longer than they should have.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#525
goooooooo sase
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 03:33 GMT
#526
tzain had 1/0
sase 1/1
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 27 2012 03:33 GMT
#527
Why didn't they play Morrow?
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:35:13
January 27 2012 03:34 GMT
#528
9000 roaches incoming from bigs

sase already producing immortals...he should have a nice timing to wipe out zerg.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:35:18
January 27 2012 03:34 GMT
#529
On January 27 2012 12:33 SgtPepper wrote:
Why didn't they play Morrow?


Probably didn't want a ZvZ to decide the match.

edit: nvm, brain fart.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#530
On January 27 2012 12:33 SgtPepper wrote:
Why didn't they play Morrow?


They will if Bigs loses.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#531
On January 27 2012 12:31 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:29 Badfatpanda wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:27 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
It amazes me that, while map dependent, he can get a quick third, tech to HT, get double upgrades chrono'd, and defend his third against a strong 2 base timing...gg
the upgrades were the reason he held, and HTs came after the third was established. that was well played by protoss and thats all there is to it.

what thorzain should have done was backed off, waited for medivacs then drop harassed while getting his third. bad decision making by spoonman.


Thorzain had +1 to SaSe's 1/1,its why he attacked... and 2/2 wasn't completed until SaSe pushed to win.

Agree with medis tho, blind vikings delayed them
did thorzain have weps or armor? because those zealots seemed to live way longer than they should have.


He had +1 attack, GS accounts for zealots not dying

I like the gas timing from biGs his build is very precise, more and more Z are forgoing +carapace though, kinda makes me sad
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 27 2012 03:36 GMT
#532
On January 27 2012 12:33 SgtPepper wrote:
Why didn't they play Morrow?

Bigs to tire Sase a bit more (or win), so that Morrow has the best chances, he can ask for.
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:37:42
January 27 2012 03:36 GMT
#533
sase is either scouting like a boss or maphacking.

immortals are pretty good guys
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:37:56
January 27 2012 03:37 GMT
#534
the camera is missing THAT FLANK! gogo biGs!!!

edit: well that didn't play out as planned, units came a bit too late for biGs to hold his third T_T should be gg
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:37 GMT
#535
SaSe is so very incredibly good

If you can win this for Quantic, I will love you forever.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#536
I thought the roaches would do better there.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#537
Sase's PvZ looking pretty sick right now. Totally demolishing Bigs here, not even close though the warp prism/zealot harass didn't do much.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#538
Terribad flank from Bigs. Just loses his army piece by piece.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#539
Ace match!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#540
Nice work, SaSe. Quantic fighting!
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#541
Ace! must be Morrow!
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#542
whos gonna play?
Heromarine? :D
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:39:19
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#543
On January 27 2012 12:38 Jehct wrote:
Sase's PvZ looking pretty sick right now. Totally demolishing Bigs here, not even close though the warp prism/zealot harass didn't do much.


It did a LOT for its cost, which is what matters. Bigs didn't have the best multitasking.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#544
I hope Morrow's improved alot in his stay at Korea. He's gonna have a hard match-up ahead of him.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:39:36
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#545
On January 27 2012 12:38 gruff wrote:
I thought the roaches would do better there.
zergs flank was about 5 seconds too late. slightly better timing and he probably snipes the immortals and rolls over the rest.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#546
Guess morrow is the only one left. I've seen Sase beat Nestea on ladder, which may not mean too much, but his ZvP's prolly pretty good.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#547
If Quantic wins I will buy a t-shirt from their website.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#548
Morrow vs SaSe

shit just got Type.ReaL
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#549
Very intense series
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#550
The flank came a little late, so one half of the flank was near dead and both didn't attack at the same time, but WP indeed.
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
January 27 2012 03:40 GMT
#551
Man TAC 2 is really good. More viewers each night too! This deserves a lot of attention. excited for the ace match!
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:40 GMT
#552
Yup, Blink stalkers, FF and immortal still very strong against roaches. =)
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:40 GMT
#553
On January 27 2012 12:39 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:38 gruff wrote:
I thought the roaches would do better there.
zergs flank was about 5 seconds too late. slightly better timing and he probably snipes the immortals and rolls over the rest.

Ehh he probably should've added in a few rounds of lings since there weren't any zealots in that army. I agree that his flank was too late though
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Waio
Profile Joined September 2010
Chile82 Posts
January 27 2012 03:41 GMT
#554
just got here and i have to say:

Thorzain god mode on
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
January 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#555
On January 27 2012 12:39 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:38 Jehct wrote:
Sase's PvZ looking pretty sick right now. Totally demolishing Bigs here, not even close though the warp prism/zealot harass didn't do much.


It did a LOT for its cost, which is what matters. Bigs didn't have the best multitasking.

He denied enough mining time at the third to be okay-ish and killed 5 drones while Bigs was droning pretty freely. It definitely didn't put Sase ahead, though it didn't really put him behind either.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#556
Go Sase!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#557
On January 27 2012 12:40 Proko wrote:
Man TAC 2 is really good. More viewers each night too! This deserves a lot of attention. excited for the ace match!


Agreed. I wonder what would be a good number for them. They have been hitting 10k pretty consistently the last few broadcasts.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
January 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#558
scarfzerg?

what a boss id
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:43 GMT
#559
I don't know if i'm right in saying this, isn't this map basically dual site?
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 03:43 GMT
#560
On January 27 2012 12:42 Sanchonator wrote:
scarfzerg?

what a boss id

its shuffles account, morrow was in the gom house when this was going on so he played on shuffles computer
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 27 2012 03:43 GMT
#561
Woah just checking this out, Destiny beat Mana and Hasuobs? O_o

I guess Hasu just keeps falling, with HSC, Kiev, and now this.

Now 2 dudes that seem to be giving it their all in Korea atm, pretty nice.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:44 GMT
#562
Of course if you're on the left side of the map you can expand upwards (either side has the same expo) but of course that's a longer creep distance (player there is protoss)

=(
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
January 27 2012 03:45 GMT
#563
On January 27 2012 12:40 Proko wrote:
Man TAC 2 is really good. More viewers each night too! This deserves a lot of attention. excited for the ace match!


This is the R016 also, I expect it to double once it gets to the semi finals.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#564
On January 27 2012 12:45 Aegeis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:40 Proko wrote:
Man TAC 2 is really good. More viewers each night too! This deserves a lot of attention. excited for the ace match!


This is the R016 also, I expect it to double once it gets to the semi finals.


Hopefully, What was the viewership during the last TAC finals?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#565
WHoa, this is the first series where it did not go 5-3.
Gameplay > Personality
Waio
Profile Joined September 2010
Chile82 Posts
January 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#566
any1 knows if morrow and sase have played before and the results?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:47 GMT
#567
On January 27 2012 12:43 Dark.Carnival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:42 Sanchonator wrote:
scarfzerg?

what a boss id

its shuffles account, morrow was in the gom house when this was going on so he played on shuffles computer

Since when is accounts computer bound?
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
January 27 2012 03:47 GMT
#568
Is morrow's name (Scarfzerg) a stephano joke?
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:49:01
January 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#569
Nothing but drones out for Morrow...
Okay now he pops roaches
¯\_(シ)_/¯
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:48:53
January 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#570
On January 27 2012 12:46 Waio wrote:
any1 knows if morrow and sase have played before and the results?

6 months ago, Sase lost on Metalopolis during FXO KOTH Europe©TLPD on their only recorded game.
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#571
That move was pretty sick by morrow.
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
January 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#572
DoA: "Soemone should do a nexus cancel into a 4-Gate. I'm sure a smart guy like Killer would do that."

MC: "You are serious?!?!?!?!"
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:49 GMT
#573
On January 27 2012 12:48 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:46 Waio wrote:
any1 knows if morrow and sase have played before and the results?

6 months ago, Sase lost on Metalopolis during FXO KOTH Europe©TLPD

SaSe has come a very long way since he went to Korea though, and morrow always quietly seems to beast it up.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 27 2012 03:49 GMT
#574
Man, what a close series. What a shame that 2 of the top 3 foreign teams in this tournament had to play in the first round. I would have loved to see one of them going up against Zenex or TSL.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:50 GMT
#575
On January 27 2012 12:49 red4ce wrote:
Man, what a close series. What a shame that 2 of the top 3 foreign teams in this tournament had to play in the first round. I would have loved to see one of them going up against Zenex or TSL.


At least it's double elimination.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 27 2012 03:50 GMT
#576
This is the kind of thing that baffles me when pro players do it. He saw those Zealots coming in from the upper left, why did he not take that pylon out?
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#577
Sase used up wayyy too many forcefields in that first battle...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#578
Morrow's macro isn't doing too well. Surprised he was able to hold that.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Leifish
Profile Joined July 2011
851 Posts
January 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#579
There are some seriously awesome games being churned out with this team league. Huge thanks to IPL for making them happen!
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#580
Bad by SaSe
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:53 GMT
#581
On January 27 2012 12:52 Whatson wrote:
Sase used up wayyy too many forcefields in that first battle...

Cost him the game I would say
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:54 GMT
#582
Looks like Morrow's got this.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 27 2012 03:55 GMT
#583
so many small chokes on the map ...
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:55 GMT
#584
Holy crap SaSe <3 looking like he might make a comeback.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:56 GMT
#585
"Busted through that front run" lol what?
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 03:56 GMT
#586
It's pretty close, especially if Morrow stays on roaches.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:56:54
January 27 2012 03:56 GMT
#587
On January 27 2012 12:56 Bagration wrote:
It's pretty close, especially if Morrow stays on roaches.

I doubt he will though..he's banking money for BL switch
¯\_(シ)_/¯
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 03:56 GMT
#588
SaSe!!
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:57 GMT
#589
Morrow making a huge mistake going for corruptors there o.o.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 03:57 GMT
#590
Counter attack!!!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 03:57 GMT
#591
This would be unfortunate if MorroW lost lol, SaSe's playing well but MorroW just can't ever engage him, so frustrating to be in this position zvp
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#592
sase wall your third plz ;_;
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#593
Never mind, counter on third allowing time for broods
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
January 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#594
zerg's need to use baneling drops on maps like these...
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
January 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#595
the broodlords will end it, sase doesnt even have a stargate.
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#596
On January 27 2012 12:57 Flanq wrote:
Morrow making a huge mistake going for corruptors there o.o.

He's banking on the spine crawler wall stalling time for BLs
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 03:59 GMT
#597
On January 27 2012 12:58 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:57 Flanq wrote:
Morrow making a huge mistake going for corruptors there o.o.

He's banking on the spine crawler wall stalling time for BLs

Le great wall of spina.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 27 2012 04:00 GMT
#598
Holy turtle batman
I've got moves like Jagger
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:02:19
January 27 2012 04:01 GMT
#599
Sase has no more mining bases -.-

ALL ABOARD THE NAAMA TRAIN!
¯\_(シ)_/¯
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#600
Morrow is a BEAST
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#601
Mouz has got it!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#602
GG, valiant effort by SaSe but seems like he was just too far behind.
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#603
congratz to mouz!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#604
Interesting time to get hallucination lol, SaSe pulling everything and going for 1 final push, not lookin good though >.>

gg both teams, great series fun to watch!
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#605
Great job Morrow. Clutching the last needed win for Mouz!
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#606
That was an exciting game
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 27 2012 04:02 GMT
#607
Wow, what a close series.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#608
Broodlords are pretty good.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#609
yay mouz <3
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#610
Wp by both players
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#611
What a good series, WP to both teams.

Mouz fighting!
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#612
Sloppy imo - wasted a bit too many roaches. But still won and good job constantly denying mining on 3rd. gg.
#freeshauni
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:03:27
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#613
impressive run by sase, I can tell his vZ's improved loads

gratz to mouz
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#614
Mouz wins like I expected, but a much closer series than I anticipated.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#615
WOO GOGO MOUZ!!!

That was an awesome last game (second best game of the series after ThorZaIN vs NaNiwa ^^)
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#616
Sase not enough gas to make an anti zerg T3 army.
Mouz still not losing team league
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#617
This map seems to really cater to low econ play, havnt seen enough games on it yet though,
Dont tase me bro
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#618
Great Series!
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 27 2012 04:03 GMT
#619
Morrow almost lost it there for a while by playing too safe Anyway GG! Awesome series, gratz to mouse.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#620
Lol morrow is sooo cool

I am surprised that was so close, I expected Mouz to wipe the floor there. Good on quantic, and destiny too! I'm glad he got a chance to win some public games :D
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#621
Mouz - still one of best foreign teams!
Sase - takes the lead as Quantic's best protoss!
Destiny - WTF won games that mattered against people that mattered. Whoa.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#622
Fuck yes morrow and Mouz!! :D
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#623
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#624
On January 27 2012 13:03 ratzp0li wrote:
impressive run by sase, I can tell his vZ's improved loads

gratz to mouz

I'm more impressed by destiny
¯\_(シ)_/¯
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#625
Thanks to the 11,000 people who came to watch Mouz vs. Quantic! ZeNEX vs. StarTale is tomorrow, so don't miss it! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306562 <-- Go there to vote and make predictions!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#626
Amazing job by IPL too.
Last season I watched when I had nothing better to do, this season IPL is the better thing I have to do.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#627
Pretty good games in that series. Nice job IPL!
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#628
Damn, impressive games all around. Sase once again cementing that he is Quantic's Ace and probably a top 3 foreigner protoss. And Mouz showing they are still probably the no.1 foreigner team

But Destiny...wtf, I was not expecting that. Maybe his training in Korea has paid off.


Also, on a sadder note, when was the last time Hasu won anything? He seems to be doing so badly lately
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#629
wow morrow is playing great. His micro is insane. Was not expecting such great mirco from a Zerg player.
Cj hero | Zest
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1185 Posts
January 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#630
Really nice, high-level final match, gz mouz.
Mutation complete.
SwampyNZ
Profile Joined September 2011
New Zealand47 Posts
January 27 2012 04:05 GMT
#631
Great series.GGs
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 27 2012 04:05 GMT
#632
On January 27 2012 13:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Damn, impressive games all around. Sase once again cementing that he is Quantic's Ace and probably a top 3 foreigner protoss. And Mouz showing they are still probably the no.1 foreigner team

But Destiny...wtf, I was not expecting that. Maybe his training in Korea has paid off.


Also, on a sadder note, when was the last time Hasu won anything? He seems to be doing so badly lately

He probably would've gotten farther in DreamHack if he hadn't run into HerO in the second round of the playoffs...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
January 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#633
thank IPL and staff.. and grats to mouz for winning..
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#634
IPL doing a great job with the team league this year! Such good games and you guys didn't loose any replays!
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#635
Taking 3rd bases on exposed maps still appears to be a problem for PvZ. After that early harassment I feel like a straight up 7gate all in would have been able to kill Morrow.

Well played by Morrow nevertheless, he deserved it.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
January 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#636
Great clan war. Sase and Destiny really impressing me!
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#637
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
January 27 2012 04:08 GMT
#638
Lovin' the IPL team league, can't wait for the next matches!
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 27 2012 04:08 GMT
#639
On January 27 2012 13:05 Whatson wrote:
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On January 27 2012 13:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Damn, impressive games all around. Sase once again cementing that he is Quantic's Ace and probably a top 3 foreigner protoss. And Mouz showing they are still probably the no.1 foreigner team

But Destiny...wtf, I was not expecting that. Maybe his training in Korea has paid off.


Also, on a sadder note, when was the last time Hasu won anything? He seems to be doing so badly lately

He probably would've gotten farther in DreamHack if he hadn't run into HerO in the second round of the playoffs...



It's not just DH though. Every time I seem to click his results lately it'sX>Hauobs

Sucks too, not too far back he used to be one of the top foreigners
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Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:10:24
January 27 2012 04:10 GMT
#640
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game

lolwut

That was one of the highest level foreigner ZvP I have seen for months.
Mutation complete.
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 04:10 GMT
#641
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 04:13 GMT
#642
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><

Did you watch that game? Or even the last engagement? MorroW was in control at the beginning, looked like he could be in a bit of trouble, but managed to delay SaSe until he had Broodlords. Once MorroW had the Broods there was no way where SaSe could win. But MorroW's constant counter-attacks were greatly executed. I don't know about anybody else, but I was really impressed.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 04:13 GMT
#643
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:18:28
January 27 2012 04:13 GMT
#644
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.
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IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
January 27 2012 04:19 GMT
#645
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 27 2012 04:21 GMT
#646
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><

Did you watch that game? Or even the last engagement? MorroW was in control at the beginning, looked like he could be in a bit of trouble, but managed to delay SaSe until he had Broodlords. Once MorroW had the Broods there was no way where SaSe could win. But MorroW's constant counter-attacks were greatly executed. I don't know about anybody else, but I was really impressed.

I watched the replay. I didn't say Morrow played bad, just that his ZvP didn't look scary. So if Agh had won... we'd have had Naniwa and Sase to play against him, both very good at PvZ living in the same house. If one lost the other would have been watching and can go into the next game with a good idea of how to win.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 04:28 GMT
#647
On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote:
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp

That game was painful to watch. I play Terran so I don't really know much about the match-up, but oh my goodness. After watching that I think I realized where all the "Muta OP" cries out of Protoss players come from.
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 27 2012 04:33 GMT
#648
Excellent job IPL!

I much prefer to watch these team arenas every night and occasionally miss one over having to sacrifice a weekend for a marathon 1v1 tourney. Much more suspenseful, lots of color commentating and some surprises in there too.

GJ mouz, your team is awesome.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 27 2012 04:46 GMT
#649
On January 27 2012 13:21 Dark.Carnival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><

Did you watch that game? Or even the last engagement? MorroW was in control at the beginning, looked like he could be in a bit of trouble, but managed to delay SaSe until he had Broodlords. Once MorroW had the Broods there was no way where SaSe could win. But MorroW's constant counter-attacks were greatly executed. I don't know about anybody else, but I was really impressed.

I watched the replay. I didn't say Morrow played bad, just that his ZvP didn't look scary. So if Agh had won... we'd have had Naniwa and Sase to play against him, both very good at PvZ living in the same house. If one lost the other would have been watching and can go into the next game with a good idea of how to win.


You're assuming biGs wouldn't beat Naniwa.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:47:54
January 27 2012 04:47 GMT
#650
On January 27 2012 13:28 The Final Boss wrote:
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On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote:
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp

That game was painful to watch. I play Terran so I don't really know much about the match-up, but oh my goodness. After watching that I think I realized where all the "Muta OP" cries out of Protoss players come from.


I didn't watch the game, but if the comp was PURE muta/spines throughout most of the game, then you have Combat-EX to blame for teaching him it.
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ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 04:54:22
January 27 2012 04:47 GMT
#651
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
January 27 2012 04:59 GMT
#652
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this, don't be closed-minded.



we know what is a good toss unit composition, you don't have to say it

your assessment is made so generally and had nothing to do with the game that was seen

you can say at the start before watching even this game that mothership/colossus/HT/stalker/archons would be the key to victory

but if you were actually commenting about the game, it would be difficult for him to tech up to colossus and mothership; he had to go deny morrow's expansions, which he did to make it somewhat close. He lost his first big engagement pretty badly.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 05:06:15
January 27 2012 05:01 GMT
#653
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
January 27 2012 05:02 GMT
#654
Keep up the great content IPL
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ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 05:24:27
January 27 2012 05:18 GMT
#655
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.

Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl.

No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace.
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
January 27 2012 05:42 GMT
#656
Great performance tonight by Destiny!
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
January 27 2012 05:57 GMT
#657
damn only catched last game, which was sick.
im glad there is the rebroadcast :-)

go Mouz!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
January 27 2012 06:07 GMT
#658
Cant believe thorzain won that game vs + Show Spoiler +
agh
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
January 27 2012 06:10 GMT
#659
Meh, Thorzain vs. Nani was really cheesy, but oh well. The overall series was awesome.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 06:17:26
January 27 2012 06:14 GMT
#660
On January 27 2012 14:18 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.

Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl.

No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace.

You use 'if' a lot. Morrow outplayed SaSe. That's really all there was to it.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 06:21:13
January 27 2012 06:19 GMT
#661
Glad Mouse won <3 Well Deserved :D GO THORZAIN/MORROW!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 06:25:07
January 27 2012 06:24 GMT
#662
On January 27 2012 15:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Meh, Thorzain vs. Nani was really cheesy, but oh well. The overall series was awesome.


Play to win. Good to see Thorzain mixing up some early game aggression. While I certainly do not enjoy watching a player that does nothing but cheese and one base all-ins, I also do not enjoy players unwilling to employ any early game aggression.

Great that this series was so close and actually went to an ace match.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 27 2012 07:28 GMT
#663
Wooh! Yeah, Mouz!!! GJ to Quantic, they made it very close, well played by Sase and Destiny (!?).
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 27 2012 07:37 GMT
#664
On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote:
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp

It was a good demonstration of muta power vs a protoss who doesnt know how to play against that style. turtle behind cannons and storms and its a lot less threatening.
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 27 2012 07:39 GMT
#665
Ace match is always fun to watch!
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
January 27 2012 07:41 GMT
#666
I'm glad Destiny came out and beat to very good protoss, though I'm surprised they sent Mana out against Destiny. I guess they were hoping he would beat Destiny and bait out another zerg? Not entirely sure. GJ to Morrow for cleaning up as well. :D
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
January 27 2012 08:00 GMT
#667
great mouz! Was hoping for you guys. Destiny with some fantastic results gratz!
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
January 27 2012 08:32 GMT
#668
On January 27 2012 13:08 1Eris1 wrote:



It's not just DH though. Every time I seem to click his results lately it'sX>Hauobs

Sucks too, not too far back he used to be one of the top foreigners


It was not DH (he didn´t attend there), it was the NASL II Finals. Hasu actually did reasonable well until the end of the year. He qualified for IEM Kiev without losing a single map and narrowly missed a spot for Sao Paulo. He had a really bad start in 2012 (HSC IV and IEM Kiev), because he couldn´t practice much over the holidays. In addition to that, he seems to have a mindset problem versus Zerg. I listened to a cast of him, Delphi and Take yesterday and he made some pretty depressed statements of PvZ (e.g. Zerg techs to Infestor and just wins). He has problems to adjust his PvZ to the current meta game (and Destiny did play very well here).

In short, he is just in a slump like pretty much every Top Foreigner was at least once. He will bounce back sooner or later. This isn´t his first slump (hardly surprising, if you play professionally for over 7 years).

For this tournament, Mouz should probably use him as a Terran sniper. In this MU he is still one of the best outside Korea.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
January 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#669
Hell yeah, Morrow closing the series like a boss! Also, Destiny beating Mana, wow, just wow! I'll definitely have to look at the VODs.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
January 27 2012 08:56 GMT
#670
On January 27 2012 13:47 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:28 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote:
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp

That game was painful to watch. I play Terran so I don't really know much about the match-up, but oh my goodness. After watching that I think I realized where all the "Muta OP" cries out of Protoss players come from.


I didn't watch the game, but if the comp was PURE muta/spines throughout most of the game, then you have Combat-EX to blame for teaching him it.

I remember naniwa told destiny on his stream when they were in the ST house to go pure mutas and spines in a ladder game, and if it worked Destiny would dub it the naniwa build . He lost that game but it seems to be working now!
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 27 2012 09:08 GMT
#671
Missed the series, rather suprised Destiny beat Mana, grats. Also congratulations for Mouse, they do have such a great lineup.
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
January 27 2012 09:37 GMT
#672
Wow this looked really close with some upsets, deffinatly have to watch the rebroadcast!
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
January 27 2012 10:36 GMT
#673
This is ridic...every thread on this site has protoss players crying...I don't get it. Talk about the games for once and don't speak of imbalance of mutas or ghosts. Destiny played well, and showed skill. Hopefully we see him in Korea full time.
"Own-ed" - CatZ
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
January 27 2012 11:19 GMT
#674
wow close, can't wait to catch the vods
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 27 2012 12:08 GMT
#675
Dear Morrow,

you're a boss,

thanks.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
January 27 2012 12:45 GMT
#676
once again Mouz show who is a boss
chriZqq
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
141 Posts
January 27 2012 12:56 GMT
#677
Hasu lost to Destiny, mb he should stop gaming now ^_^
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
January 27 2012 12:56 GMT
#678
aw yeah mouz, can't wait to catch the rebroadcast of this.

also, I've been a big detractor but congrats to Destiny on what looks like a couple of big wins. Time in Korea paying off a bit?
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
January 27 2012 12:57 GMT
#679
On January 27 2012 16:37 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote:
wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp

It was a good demonstration of muta power vs a protoss who doesnt know how to play against that style. turtle behind cannons and storms and its a lot less threatening.



he sniped the templar archives 4 times lol.

its pretty hard to turtle with storm if you dont have the tech to do templars hahaha.
also, 60 mutas with 2/1 is pretty hard to stop with cannons =p
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 27 2012 13:38 GMT
#680
thorzain 3 kills nice job
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Seriox
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany373 Posts
January 27 2012 14:05 GMT
#681
On January 27 2012 21:56 chriZqq wrote:
Hasu lost to Destiny, mb he should stop gaming now ^_^

Hasu is in a really bad shape right now. He went 0-3 in his groups at HomeStoryCup and IEM Kiev.

But yesterday he mentioned on TaKes stream that he's probably going to practice with TitaN at TaKes flat for a few months.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 27 2012 16:42 GMT
#682
gogo mouz ♥ they can finally show that they are the best foreigner team with a big stage like this
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
January 27 2012 17:29 GMT
#683
So the TL trackers says this starts in one minute....looks like it already over?
zelgadissan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States389 Posts
January 27 2012 17:32 GMT
#684
On January 28 2012 02:29 Zorkmid wrote:
So the TL trackers says this starts in one minute....looks like it already over?

Was shown last night in America timezone, so they're reshowing it today to catch a European night timezone. IPL and NASL do this pretty regularly to have an audience in both regions.
"It's like Detroit in there" "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings" - Artosis/Tasteless
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
January 27 2012 17:32 GMT
#685
On January 28 2012 02:29 Zorkmid wrote:
So the TL trackers says this starts in one minute....looks like it already over?


It's the EU rebroadcast of last nights games.
Moxika
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway34 Posts
January 27 2012 17:34 GMT
#686
but the stream is showing something else
hatespam
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania161 Posts
January 27 2012 17:41 GMT
#687
no stream on EU schedule?
ask, and you shall have asked
Oxyjon
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom31 Posts
January 27 2012 17:44 GMT
#688
I'm wondering if it's at 6 instead, I seem to remember it starting at 6 before and was surprised to see it listed for 5.30. Fingers crossed for 6pm
Moxika
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway34 Posts
January 27 2012 17:46 GMT
#689
i have some kind of count down, but man, the lag!!
scalvin
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong68 Posts
January 27 2012 17:48 GMT
#690
stream name ? plz
Moxika
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 17:51:06
January 27 2012 17:50 GMT
#691
ok, found it!!
http://www.ign.com/ipl/tv/live?streams=ignproleague
Delial
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland217 Posts
January 27 2012 17:51 GMT
#692
link to stream
http://pl.justin.tv/ignproleague#/w/2520650224
agh39
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden180 Posts
January 27 2012 17:52 GMT
#693
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 27 2012 17:56 GMT
#694
LOL, that random guy called the results perfectly. (Klondikebar?)
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 18:03:34
January 27 2012 18:02 GMT
#695
edit: nvm
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 18:06 GMT
#696
On January 28 2012 02:56 McFeser wrote:
LOL, that random guy called the results perfectly. (Klondikebar?)

Link to post?
You know this is the EU rebroadcast.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 27 2012 20:55 GMT
#697
Impressive last game by Morrow.
SaSe did a good job harassing and being everywhere at once, a lot of zerg would have fall to this.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
January 27 2012 21:13 GMT
#698
On January 28 2012 03:06 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 02:56 McFeser wrote:
LOL, that random guy called the results perfectly. (Klondikebar?)

Link to post?
You know this is the EU rebroadcast.

No he (not sure if it was Klondikebar though) really did call it perfectly, Morrow beating SaSe in the 9th set. But I seem to remember that it was said in stream or something... but I'm not sure about that.

Still, awesome way to end the series!
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 21:32 GMT
#699
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.

The reason SaSe's third got sniped was because SaSe was out being aggressive and putting pressure on. Had he not done that then MorroW could have expanded more freely. If MorroW gets to expand more freely than he loses (well maybe not because 3 base Protoss is stupidly strong, but MorroW also has sick macro).
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 21:34 GMT
#700
On January 27 2012 15:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Meh, Thorzain vs. Nani was really cheesy, but oh well. The overall series was awesome.

Because NaNiwa's never cheesed anybody...

Just kidding though, that match-up was supposed to be the best and it was far from it.
Fonsie
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany54 Posts
January 27 2012 22:07 GMT
#701
Well, that game between Destiny and Mana has definately shown how broken mass muta is in PvZ. There is like a magic number of mutas... as soon as you reach that number as zerg you can´t lose if you dont mess up your muta control completely.

Fortunately, Blizzard has already seen this problem and is trying to change the Protoss Phoenix.... and in long-term there will be the Tempest in HotS
Ubenn
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada114 Posts
January 27 2012 22:47 GMT
#702
I can't believe that Agh pissed that game against ThorZain away.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#703
So Naniwa scouted double scv going out for Thorzain and his base very early and he goes nexus first anyway? I don't know what to think.
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MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
January 27 2012 23:07 GMT
#704
Naninexus: The act of fast-expanding in any situation where a proxy rush is imminent.
http://www.learntocounter.com - I'm a "known troll" so please disconnect your kid's computer when I am on the forums.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 27 2012 23:08 GMT
#705
Well, Thorzain moved an SCV out to his nat, so I think he'd tricked Naniwa into thinking he was actually going CC first.
Liquipedia
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 27 2012 23:10 GMT
#706
On January 28 2012 08:08 Elyvilon wrote:
Well, Thorzain moved an SCV out to his nat, so I think he'd tricked Naniwa into thinking he was actually going CC first.

Naniwa saw both scvs going out of Thorzain's base very early to proxy 2 raxes, Thorzain's scv low count and scouted his expansion aswell. Thorzain sent an scv to his natural to make sure there was no pylon being built. It was just a terrible game from Naniwa, and I'm surprised Thorzain still did the proxy barracks even though it was scouted. That game was just so terrible.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 27 2012 23:15 GMT
#707
On January 28 2012 08:10 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 08:08 Elyvilon wrote:
Well, Thorzain moved an SCV out to his nat, so I think he'd tricked Naniwa into thinking he was actually going CC first.

Naniwa saw both scvs going out of Thorzain's base very early to proxy 2 raxes, Thorzain's scv low count and scouted his expansion aswell. Thorzain sent an scv to his natural to make sure there was no pylon being built. It was just a terrible game from Naniwa, and I'm surprised Thorzain still did the proxy barracks even though it was scouted. That game was just so terrible.

Ah, I only came in when Thorzain's SCV was in the nat so I didn't realize that.
Liquipedia
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
January 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#708
For those interested, the YouTube playlist can be found here for this series: Quantic vs Mouz bo9 - IPL TAC2 WR1
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
January 27 2012 23:58 GMT
#709
I don't care how behind you get from losing the 3rd, that attack had a 0% chance of working.
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 28 2012 00:00 GMT
#710
On January 27 2012 15:14 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 14:18 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.

Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl.

No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace.

You use 'if' a lot. Morrow outplayed SaSe. That's really all there was to it.

I'm suggesting that had there been adequate defense for the 3rd, SaSe would have been heavily favored to win. Morrow's ZvP didn't seem particularly impressive.

A disappointing game.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
January 28 2012 00:09 GMT
#711
On January 28 2012 09:00 ratzp0li wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 15:14 Whatson wrote:
On January 27 2012 14:18 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.

Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl.

No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace.

You use 'if' a lot. Morrow outplayed SaSe. That's really all there was to it.

I'm suggesting that had there been adequate defense for the 3rd, SaSe would have been heavily favored to win. Morrow's ZvP didn't seem particularly impressive.

A disappointing game.


I don't think Sase was gonna win that without a mothership. Too many brood lords, simply not an approachable army. I don't think he even had a stargate yet
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 28 2012 00:22 GMT
#712
On January 28 2012 09:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:00 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:14 Whatson wrote:
On January 27 2012 14:18 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse


Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed.

The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide.

However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this.
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round ><


Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game.

^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse

There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment.

Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible.


And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap.

Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl.

No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace.

You use 'if' a lot. Morrow outplayed SaSe. That's really all there was to it.

I'm suggesting that had there been adequate defense for the 3rd, SaSe would have been heavily favored to win. Morrow's ZvP didn't seem particularly impressive.

A disappointing game.


I don't think Sase was gonna win that without a mothership. Too many brood lords, simply not an approachable army. I don't think he even had a stargate yet

Did you read my previous posts?
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January 28 2012 01:18 GMT
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On January 28 2012 08:03 aTnClouD wrote:
So Naniwa scouted double scv going out for Thorzain and his base very early and he goes nexus first anyway? I don't know what to think.


Cos hes a protox and can expand when he wants.
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