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On January 10 2012 19:45 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:42 Fionn wrote:
Why are people calling Supernova a cheeser?
He usually has one of the safest, mech-style plays of any of the Terrans. Because he went 1/1/1 in game one and went cloak banshee in all three games. I'm not saying Supernova is a cheesy player, but that was definitely a cheesy series. Also, people love MC and flying a banshee into a mineral line and cloaking it then clicking H for hold position makes for a sad way for a fan favorite to lose a game 3. But it happens. Supernova wants to win, so he does cloak banshee. It's good against Protoss. Observers please.
So cloaked banshees are now cheesy?
In the first two games MC knew exactly what Supernova was doing (except for maybe being surprised by the hellions on Crossfire and the 1-1-1 in game 3.)
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On January 10 2012 19:47 Fionn wrote:
Will there be a Spring Bel'Shir with flowers?
That would be a cool map 
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On January 10 2012 19:37 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:36 Thugtronik wrote:On January 10 2012 19:34 bittman wrote:
BO loss =( i don't know if i'd call this a build order loss. supernova with the brilliant mindgames this game. its still silly because theres too many early games in tvp that end with "brilliant mindgames". its just the result of smart players who understand starcraft 2 alot in an early game with buildorders that reward risky play too much in tvz and zvt you can do stuff that kinda gets you ahead abit (if its succesful) but theres not alot of stuff you can do to actually just end it
Pretty much summed up the problems with TvP as a whole. Games end with a single engagement, 1 base all ins. It's just not fun, very fragile, and isn't entertaining to watch either. Plus of course, it's a match-up where the 'better' player doesn't have any garuntee to win.
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On January 10 2012 19:46 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:40 TheDwf wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 WigglingSquid wrote:
Terran early game was always perplexing me about cloaking and detection, and this is a good example of my reasons. It makes for very boring BO losses against every race which needs tech to detect... every one but Terran. You know there are BO losses to Cloak Banshees even in TvT, right? Yeah.... . You know Protoss can get up a Robo with DT's around the same cost of cloaked banshees? Fact-SP-Techlab-Cloak 550 minerals 425 gas Twilight-Robo-Darkshrine 450 minerals 450 gas Yes Terran has Scan, but if you hit just after a MULE'ing.... P generally should go robo unless he is absolutely 100% no banshees can be coming
That would make sense if Terran couldn't scan the base of the protoss. The Terran will not find the tech everytime, but the protoss needs an obs to see the terrans all-in. The terran just needs a well placed scan.
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Hey, guys, could you please help me? When I launch a GOM-Twitch.tv stream, it says it is private and requires some kind of password? What is it? I remember I could watch it just like any other stream, without passwords.
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On January 10 2012 19:45 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:42 Fionn wrote:
Why are people calling Supernova a cheeser?
He usually has one of the safest, mech-style plays of any of the Terrans. Because he went 1/1/1 in game one and went cloak banshee in all three games. I'm not saying Supernova is a cheesy player, but that was definitely a cheesy series. Also, people love MC and flying a banshee into a mineral line and cloaking it then clicking H for hold position makes for a sad way for a fan favorite to lose a game 3. But it happens. Supernova wants to win, so he does cloak banshee. It's good against Protoss. Observers please.
cloaked banshee isnt a cheesy opening tvp though in my opinion, it's pretty safe and it's good for forcing the opponent down one path, while having every path open for yourself.
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On January 10 2012 19:43 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Oh shit!!! ForGG lose 2 times to LeeNock  That wasn't what I expect...I thought he is Flash sidekick ... Did he play bad? Or close game?
A very close macro game first then a failed timing attack. He was by no means bad. It's Leenock.
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God, it sucks that GomStreamer is broken. I've been working with the code trying to get it to work, but while I've gotten it to start running wget, I can't be sure if wget is failing because of my code or because of my companys firewall.
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On January 10 2012 19:45 masterchip27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:37 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 Thugtronik wrote:On January 10 2012 19:34 bittman wrote:
BO loss =( i don't know if i'd call this a build order loss. supernova with the brilliant mindgames this game. its still silly because theres too many early games in tvp that end with "brilliant mindgames". its just the result of smart players who understand starcraft 2 alot in an early game with buildorders that reward risky play too much in tvz and zvt you can do stuff that kinda gets you ahead abit (if its succesful) but theres not alot of stuff you can do to actually just end it its silly, but dont you think mc should be punished for taking shortcuts while scouting?
ya its true but the fact is still i think zvt has the right balance of getting punished and taking risks, while in the tvp matchup the level you can coinflip at is alot higher, and the chances of it working is higher.
thats why we see more risky play in tvp than tvz, simple as that
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On January 10 2012 19:46 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:44 GreyKnight wrote:On January 10 2012 19:42 darkscream wrote:
the MC fanboi tears are so delicious
T'was said by LiquidTyler once, MC is risky and gimmicky, and that risky play will come back to bite him..
... but since he's walking around with Take's money in his pocket, I can't imagine he minds too much. he wasn't playing risky of gimmicky at all. um ok the most fearsome all-in terran can do, that every protoss has nightmares about countered by one building skips that building nope, not risky play at all, making assumptions and cutting corners based on a bunker placement Oh well, GG ^^
It's really not that simple, there are certain all-ins that Terran can do where getting a robo is really bad
the nature of sc2 I suppose nothing to do about it.
Smart play by Supernova
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On January 10 2012 19:47 Fionn wrote:
Will there be a Spring Bel'Shir with flowers?
The only flowers I want to see is when that map is dead and buried, and the flowers are placed on top of the grave
:D
Hopefully, though it would be cool if it was slightly more flooded because of all the melted snow and the subsequent flood in the river
Or something
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On January 10 2012 19:43 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Oh shit!!! ForGG lose 2 times to LeeNock That wasn't what I expect...I thought he is Flash sidekick ... Did he play bad? Or close game?
first game was really close at some point... good to watch.
second game was bad and forgg did as i feared and go balls in with timing win or lose and got pretty much crushed...i see him play that way sometime on ladder, and i dont think he has enough exp like someone like mvp to figure out yet when things wont work yet and cut his losses yet , lack of experience against top calibur players :3
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wow that's harsh: "The bunker salvage is worth more than your life. Out."
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On January 10 2012 19:48 serojananda wrote:
Hey, guys, could you please help me? When I launch a GOM-Twitch.tv stream, it says it is private and requires some kind of password? What is it? I remember I could watch it just like any other stream, without passwords.
It's not on Twitch anymore as far as I know. Only Blizzard Cup.
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SNAPPED THAT DRONE'S NECK LOL
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On January 10 2012 19:45 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:43 teamamerica wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 SC2Phoenix wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 MrProb wrote:
lol 1 banshee win u the game ?? its been like this for 18 months, cloak banshees are good. Cloaked units are pretty good you mean. Except against Terran but that's just how scans work. On January 10 2012 19:37 MuseMike wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 Azzur wrote:
Lol, why don't MC just go 1-gate FE into 3-gate robo
Such a safe and solid build against everything... You can't 3 gate robo every game. Why? It's not that exploitable, just like a 1rax expand isn't that exploitable. If you're not going to do that you can at least confirm the expand - when MC does his zlot/stalker poke you can run up to confirm the CC has landed at least and keep the stalker alive. MC was blindly going for the 4gate, his own fault. Anyway, I can easily see Leenock beating Supernova and MC beating fOrGG which would make a Supernova MC rematch to decide who advances. There's this thing called economy and it's kinda important.
Huh? MC wasn't going for economy lol the only reason he didn't have robo was to do a strong 4gate with all his gas in some sentries to FF bunker repair and stalkers. 3gate with robo is fine for your economy anyway o.o.
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On January 10 2012 19:46 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:40 TheDwf wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 WigglingSquid wrote:
Terran early game was always perplexing me about cloaking and detection, and this is a good example of my reasons. It makes for very boring BO losses against every race which needs tech to detect... every one but Terran. You know there are BO losses to Cloak Banshees even in TvT, right? Yeah.... . You know Protoss can get up a Robo with DT's around the same cost of cloaked banshees? Fact-SP-Techlab-Cloak 550 minerals 425 gas Twilight-Robo-Darkshrine 450 minerals 450 gas Yes Terran has Scan, but if you hit just after a MULE'ing.... P generally should go robo unless he is absolutely 100% no banshees can be coming
ROFL such a fail post. You try to get the fastest DT tech with the Terran going for the fastest banshee tech, and tell me what happens
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On January 10 2012 19:46 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:40 CortoMontez wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 Nocteo wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 CortoMontez wrote:
How exactly can you know what a terran is doing... they are unscoutable! I heard observers do quite a good job scouting. So blind robo every game? There is a reason that so many people have thought that observers should be build from the cyber instead of robo. I dont get what the big deal is. In bw protoss had to build an observetory first before building a obsever from robotics. And in pvt in bw protoss couldnt move from its base until it had an observer to clear out spider mines.
Not being able to move from your base is very different to losing the game.
Also, there is a THIRD possibility from scouting the bunker at the ramp top, which is a 3-4 rax marine all in. This blindly beats any robo build.
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Where dat snitch at?37065 Posts
Supernova off to a good start!
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On January 10 2012 19:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:45 Witten wrote:On January 10 2012 19:42 Fionn wrote:
Why are people calling Supernova a cheeser?
He usually has one of the safest, mech-style plays of any of the Terrans. Because he went 1/1/1 in game one and went cloak banshee in all three games. I'm not saying Supernova is a cheesy player, but that was definitely a cheesy series. Also, people love MC and flying a banshee into a mineral line and cloaking it then clicking H for hold position makes for a sad way for a fan favorite to lose a game 3. But it happens. Supernova wants to win, so he does cloak banshee. It's good against Protoss. Observers please. cloaked banshee isnt a cheesy opening tvp though in my opinion, it's pretty safe and it's good for forcing the opponent down one path, while having every path open for yourself.
And Cloaked banshees can build into TvP Pure Air which is fun as hell =D
Cloaked banshee opening is actually pretty good v P, people just have this belief that if they have detection the banshee put you behind.
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