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ForTheDr3am
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:48 Lann555 wrote: Well, it's balanced in a shitty way. Protoss has to kill Zerg early or do massive damage. If you play a passive game, you will get the snot beaten out of you by any good zerg, since their deathball is unbeatable without a good archon toilet. Well this sounds awfully similar to another protoss match-up. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:57 ForTheDr3am wrote: You need to kill Zerg before he gets his deathball, because Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor is more supplyefficient than anything Protoss can manage. Pretty much. I hope Grubby gives up on trying to play lategame with Stephano. He gets away with it vs sloppier Zergs, but Stephano knows Z lategame too well (he actually things it's overpowered). Gogogogo 7 gate | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:53 HaXXspetten wrote: Not really true. Yes, it takes a long time to tech up to, but once you have the tech, you can have a full army in a minute, simply because of how Zerg production works. Protoss however can only build one Carrier at a time per Stargate, and each takes 120 seconds, even if you build like 4 Stargates, it would take like 5 minutes with chrono boost to get a dozen of them... and then they just die anyway because Carriers are godawful :/ Pure carriers are awful yes. But when you have a mothership(can vortex corruptors/infestors), collusus(kills broodlings, infestors), and some stalker and high templar support(feedback +storm), you can't just say "corruptors counter carriers." | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:53 Lann555 wrote: Didn't Voidrays work differently back in the day? Fungal growth is better now than it was back then too. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8704 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:57 ForTheDr3am wrote: You need to kill Zerg before he gets his deathball, because Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor is more supplyefficient than anything Protoss can manage. absolutely agree with this. or you hope you don´t face stephano who denies archon toilet with splitting like a boss^^. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:55 graNite wrote: Read his post again: the question was how to beat this composition of broodlord infestor, not how to win a game vs stephano. the real problem are the infestors, because the counter everything with chain fungal. i think there should be a delay so that you cant fungal the same unit again for a short period so that there is a way to run after a fungal. i feel like carries could beat broodfestors, but they are too easily countered with corrupters I don't feel like it's valid to argue that if you leave a player to do what he likes for 25 minutes and he gets an unbeatable composition the game is imbalanced. This is the exact same conversation Zergs had with Protoss six months ago and are having with Terran now over ghost mech. One race will always have a better Kulas extreme level composition, but Protoss has plenty of opportunity to do something before Zerg gets infinite gas. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:56 Seraphone wrote: And yet Stephano lost 2-0 to MC and actually is 0-5 against MC. The game is not imbalanced. and every game ended before the 20 minute mark with strange allins protoss relies on. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Well... Moon ? | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:59 Seraphone wrote: I don't feel like it's valid to argue that if you leave a player to do what he likes for 25 minutes and he gets an unbeatable composition the game is imbalanced. This is the exact same conversation Zergs had with Protoss six months ago and are having with Terran now over ghost mech. One race will always have a better Kulas extreme level composition, but Protoss has plenty of opportunity to do something before Zerg gets infinite gas. so you want to say protoss has an advantage over Zerg in early and midgame? I would say the opposite. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:56 Seraphone wrote: And yet Stephano lost 2-0 to MC and actually is 0-5 against MC. The game is not imbalanced. MC knows how to do it right, he just kills the zerg before they get that composition. The one time he came close to facing that composition was on Daybreak in HSC, but he killed Stephano before he reached critical mass. Honestly, for all the criticism MC gets for his timings, I honestly think he knows how to face zerg correctly nowadays. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:59 KalWarkov wrote: and every game ended before the 20 minute mark with strange allins protoss relies on. Not true. One of the Homestory 3 games was late game and the Blizzard Cup game Stephano all inn'd MC. You don't have a god given right to win if you let your opponent do whatever he wants. | ||
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vOkk
Belgium576 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:59 Noocta wrote: A player than mess with grubby more than stephano ? Well... Moon ? TB has no clue about wc3 | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
He has none about SC2 either.... | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
So far this has been an extremely one sided match up. | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 16 2012 00:00 KalWarkov wrote: so you want to say protoss has an advantage over Zerg in early and midgame? I would say the opposite. I don't think you can make sweeping statements like one race is better in the early, mid and late game. It completely depends on the map, the skill of the players involved and the compositions/upgrades in question. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26237 Posts
On January 16 2012 00:02 poorcloud wrote: Watch slayers brown guys, he will be the answer to this late game z v p style. What does he do differently? The games I saw from him were similar endgames, but the Zerg I saw him play let him get an archon toilet on his entire army. | ||
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