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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1661
Or you know...

Stephano just played better?

Cmon guys
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1662
I agree with what they were saying, Protoss has to be more active with harrassment. Multi-pronged agression with Blink stalkers, DTs, zealots, mix it up
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1663
On January 15 2012 23:44 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:40 StreetSkillz wrote:
Stephano so good. Better zerg player after DRG.


I disagree, Stephano beat DRG in the GSL invitational.


You're basing this off a Bo1? o-O

Then I might as well use another retarded logic and base it on A beat B, but C beat A so C is better than A. That is, DRG beat MC whom beat Stephano so DRG is better... come on man.

I'm not saying either player is better, but your logic is just not there.
Gameplay > Personality
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1664
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.


Fungal + infested terran + corrupter destroy carrier unless have have like 30 of em. Carriers are never used, because they really are godawful vs Zerg. Or Terran. Or Protoss really.
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1665
Who would have thought a year ago that Zerg would have the scariest deathball in SC2? Funny how things turn out.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1666
On January 15 2012 23:48 Lann555 wrote:
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On January 15 2012 23:46 Flanq wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:45 clusen wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:44 Flanq wrote:
What happened to people getting some void rays against broodlords, that used to work quite well didn't it? or do infestors make that a bad thing to do.

Yep, infestor are too good against voids

I thought as much, this army for zerg does look WAY too unbeatable though. Not a balance whine because i know they'll change it for HotS, but it sucks


Well, it's balanced in a shitty way. Protoss has to kill Zerg early or do massive damage. If you play a passive game, you will get the snot beaten out of you by any good zerg, since their deathball is unbeatable without a good archon toilet.

That's why MC still does good vs Zerg. He just 7gates blinks all the time


Not true. Hero and JYP win late game vs Zerg all the time.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
PaterPatriae
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany428 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1667
i`m really looking forward to the combination of swarmhost and broodlords :D
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1668
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Problem is he had 3/3 air upgrades, and as soon as he scouted that tech switch, with his lovely 10000/4000 bank he could immediately make 40 fully upgraded corruptors, plus what he already had
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1669
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Carriers weren't the answer there... Maybe if would've started the production WAY earlier, had full upgrades and overwhelming number... maybe then.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1670
lol, why all my fellow brotoss balance whining? Zerg thought the exact thing vs Toss 8 months ago, we told them to suck it up and get better.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1671
On January 15 2012 23:49 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Have you ever tried building carriers? They need ages...

Carriers are pretty weak to corruptors as well
Playgu
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 14:52:05
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1672
On January 15 2012 23:49 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Have you ever tried building carriers? They need ages...


Yeah so does getting up a broodlord infestor corruptor army. The way stephano played(super passive) just invited carrier tech switch.

I've seen plenty of tosses beat infestor broodlords with carrier/mothership based armies. MC, Hongun, Huk, they all eventually tech switch to carriers.

On January 15 2012 23:51 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:49 Tarotis wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Have you ever tried building carriers? They need ages...

Carriers are pretty weak to corruptors as well


They're actually not that weak, considering you'd need like 15-25 corruptors to deal with even 5-6 carriers. Carriers scale with numbers, and the fact that during the time your target firing carriers it means that your getting hit by stalker fire.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1673
Grubby should have done colossus drops!
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1674
Grubby needs to hack limbs off with a machete instead of poking with needles. Harass more forcefully and perhaps delay his 4th a little and increase your warpgate count to do so. You really can't go toe to toe with mass infestor/broodlord/corrupter unless you get lucky or have flawless control.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1675
Stephano looks bulletproof

This is so hard for me ! My favorite Zerg vs my favorite protoss
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Cenja
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden498 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1676
Metalopolis is like the perfect map for this style, so easy to split the map and trutle on 6 base (lol) until you have the perfect army. Also spines everywhere.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1677
It feels like mship + Carriers + archon + 2-3 colossous + hts is the way to go.

If he comes with a bunch of corruptors to snipe the carriers then you can get a good vortex and use the archons.

The carriers have sick DPS so they can easily snipe brood lords
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1678
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.


Huk tryed that vs Stephano and Stephano just NP the carriers.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 15 2012 14:52 GMT
#1679
Not much chance for protoss against that composition on this map (too little space to harass), Grubby should've tried to end it early. Never thought I'd see the day where protoss has no chance against the zerg deathball! ^^"
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 14:53:57
January 15 2012 14:52 GMT
#1680
I like how the "protoss deathball is unbeatable" changed to "zerg deathball is unbeatable", while protoss got buffed and zerg got nerfed :D

zerg brains function slower i guess, they realized they have T3 units and casters as well ~.~


€: i have to admit, that grubby couldve microed the Mothership better. Furthermore, Metalopolis has to end in midgame, cause otherwise, zerg is unbeatable: 1 less goldbase by mapdesign for the toss, small chokes everywhere, small mid. no safe ffe. horrible.

DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
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