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Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 15 2012 14:47 GMT
#1641
No storms and using the Warp Prism on the same base over and over again? Really seemed like grubby couldve won that game.
Dont tase me bro
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 14:47 GMT
#1642
On January 15 2012 23:47 woob wrote:
stephano makes it look soo imba

Nope, it is really that imba, its not just because of the pink colour...
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1643
Stephano SO good against protoss, he needs to be nerfed!
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 14:48:25
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1644
That must be sickening to watch for a Protoss player...

Edit: Oh hey, 2000 posts!
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1645
On January 15 2012 23:46 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:45 clusen wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:44 Flanq wrote:
What happened to people getting some void rays against broodlords, that used to work quite well didn't it? or do infestors make that a bad thing to do.

Yep, infestor are too good against voids

I thought as much, this army for zerg does look WAY too unbeatable though. Not a balance whine because i know they'll change it for HotS, but it sucks


Well, it's balanced in a shitty way. Protoss has to kill Zerg early or do massive damage. If you play a passive game, you will get the snot beaten out of you by any good zerg, since their deathball is unbeatable without a good archon toilet.

That's why MC still does good vs Zerg. He just 7gates blinks all the time
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1646
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?


like stephano says on his stream, you can't. You can't allow a zerg to go that far in the late game
YoloStar <3
samw
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
England443 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1647
It feels like grubby just got psychologically crushed. It must feel as though stephano is just better after that. Come on grubby!
"You will walk in the garden of his turbulence"
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1648
Too big to fail, huh? Grubby needed to harass more earlier on in the game. Pretty stupid game still. WTB Tempest.
stonetalon
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands482 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1649
and this is why PvZ is mostly 2base allins from toss, cant win late game
MarineKingPrime, LiquidTaeja, Grubby, Naniwa fighting!
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1650
i think grubby just has a lack of experience in dealing with this. To deal with high cost zerg max army, you need high cost max protoss army. That means mostly templars + colossus + archons + carriers. Not mass stalkers + 1 mothership + 3 - 4 colossus.

Grubby only added archons/templars at his 2nd max.

He should throw away units to hurt stephanos econ ala hero style.
alpsi
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland437 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1651
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


void rays against 20 corruptors yeah right
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1652
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1653
On January 15 2012 23:48 alpsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


void rays against 20 corruptors yeah right


and 22 infestors
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1654
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


...how the hell would void rays have helped against 15 corruptors and 25 infestors? -.-
Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1655
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?

Well he should of left high templars on their own (not arcons) and feedback the infestors. Also if he got a good bit of stephanos units in a vortex and put 3 or 4 archons in there, it would have melted..
Pirate-bird ftw.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1656
On January 15 2012 23:46 Provocateur wrote:
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On January 15 2012 23:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:40 StreetSkillz wrote:
Stephano so good. Better zerg player after DRG.


I disagree, Stephano beat DRG in the GSL invitational.

One series is not reliable to determine something like that x.x

but what a serie

stephano beat a 12 pool (iirc) with early expand
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1657
On January 15 2012 23:47 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:46 Whalecore wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:39 Tarotis wrote:
Cant beat broodlorsd without archon toilet, thats sad

Archon toilet won't work vs zergs who spread their air units.. There is no way PvZ is balanced super late game right now.

Stephano is the only european zerg I know to do so, it works well against the rest.


whats your point? it works cause everyone else is stupid and thats why its fine?

they need to change fungal again imo or infested terrans, it cant be that 1 caster unit massing counters everything, even AIR.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1658
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Have you ever tried building carriers? They need ages...
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1659
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?


Grubby could and should have won that game. He had so many opportunities to snipe hatcheries with DT's both when his shrine finished and when he had the warp prism in the bottom of the map.

When it gets to 10 spines at every base and max brood/infestor then sure he can't win but he made a lot of errors by not utilising major harass opportunities.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
teumas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden280 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1660
Go stephano! Sad for Grubby though, seems that he runs in to steph every other tournament nowadays
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