• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:22
CET 17:22
KST 01:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2101 users

SHOUTcraft Invitational 4 - "Colin Smith" - Page 83

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 81 82 83 84 85 171 Next
Results can be found at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_SHOUTcraft_Invitational/4
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 15 2012 14:47 GMT
#1641
No storms and using the Warp Prism on the same base over and over again? Really seemed like grubby couldve won that game.
Dont tase me bro
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 14:47 GMT
#1642
On January 15 2012 23:47 woob wrote:
stephano makes it look soo imba

Nope, it is really that imba, its not just because of the pink colour...
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1643
Stephano SO good against protoss, he needs to be nerfed!
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 14:48:25
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1644
That must be sickening to watch for a Protoss player...

Edit: Oh hey, 2000 posts!
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1645
On January 15 2012 23:46 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:45 clusen wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:44 Flanq wrote:
What happened to people getting some void rays against broodlords, that used to work quite well didn't it? or do infestors make that a bad thing to do.

Yep, infestor are too good against voids

I thought as much, this army for zerg does look WAY too unbeatable though. Not a balance whine because i know they'll change it for HotS, but it sucks


Well, it's balanced in a shitty way. Protoss has to kill Zerg early or do massive damage. If you play a passive game, you will get the snot beaten out of you by any good zerg, since their deathball is unbeatable without a good archon toilet.

That's why MC still does good vs Zerg. He just 7gates blinks all the time
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1646
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?


like stephano says on his stream, you can't. You can't allow a zerg to go that far in the late game
YoloStar <3
samw
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
England443 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1647
It feels like grubby just got psychologically crushed. It must feel as though stephano is just better after that. Come on grubby!
"You will walk in the garden of his turbulence"
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1648
Too big to fail, huh? Grubby needed to harass more earlier on in the game. Pretty stupid game still. WTB Tempest.
stonetalon
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands482 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1649
and this is why PvZ is mostly 2base allins from toss, cant win late game
MarineKingPrime, LiquidTaeja, Grubby, Naniwa fighting!
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1650
i think grubby just has a lack of experience in dealing with this. To deal with high cost zerg max army, you need high cost max protoss army. That means mostly templars + colossus + archons + carriers. Not mass stalkers + 1 mothership + 3 - 4 colossus.

Grubby only added archons/templars at his 2nd max.

He should throw away units to hurt stephanos econ ala hero style.
alpsi
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland437 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1651
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


void rays against 20 corruptors yeah right
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1652
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1653
On January 15 2012 23:48 alpsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


void rays against 20 corruptors yeah right


and 22 infestors
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1654
On January 15 2012 23:47 Sea_Food wrote:
0 high templar. 0 Voidrays. 4000/4000 in bank.

ZZZZZZZ


...how the hell would void rays have helped against 15 corruptors and 25 infestors? -.-
Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1655
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?

Well he should of left high templars on their own (not arcons) and feedback the infestors. Also if he got a good bit of stephanos units in a vortex and put 3 or 4 archons in there, it would have melted..
Pirate-bird ftw.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1656
On January 15 2012 23:46 Provocateur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:40 StreetSkillz wrote:
Stephano so good. Better zerg player after DRG.


I disagree, Stephano beat DRG in the GSL invitational.

One series is not reliable to determine something like that x.x

but what a serie

stephano beat a 12 pool (iirc) with early expand
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1657
On January 15 2012 23:47 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 23:46 Whalecore wrote:
On January 15 2012 23:39 Tarotis wrote:
Cant beat broodlorsd without archon toilet, thats sad

Archon toilet won't work vs zergs who spread their air units.. There is no way PvZ is balanced super late game right now.

Stephano is the only european zerg I know to do so, it works well against the rest.


whats your point? it works cause everyone else is stupid and thats why its fine?

they need to change fungal again imo or infested terrans, it cant be that 1 caster unit massing counters everything, even AIR.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1658
On January 15 2012 23:48 Pandain wrote:
You need to tech switch to carriers. I kept waiting for him to realize that he can't beat that many broodlords with any amount of ground army. Mass carrier mothership really is one of the few counnters to infestor broodlord, with 3 or so collusus support.

Have you ever tried building carriers? They need ages...
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1659
On January 15 2012 23:47 Moriarty wrote:
How the hell would Grubby even beat that comp of Stephano?


Grubby could and should have won that game. He had so many opportunities to snipe hatcheries with DT's both when his shrine finished and when he had the warp prism in the bottom of the map.

When it gets to 10 spines at every base and max brood/infestor then sure he can't win but he made a lot of errors by not utilising major harass opportunities.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
teumas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden280 Posts
January 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1660
Go stephano! Sad for Grubby though, seems that he runs in to steph every other tournament nowadays
Prev 1 81 82 83 84 85 171 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL teamleague CNvsASH, ASHvRR
Freeedom13
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 317
LamboSC2 101
mcanning 64
MindelVK 14
EmSc Tv 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30168
Rain 2752
Horang2 1410
Jaedong 998
Shuttle 451
Stork 395
PianO 259
firebathero 221
Barracks 164
Shinee 98
[ Show more ]
LaStScan 88
ggaemo 82
Leta 80
Hyun 69
soO 39
Rock 32
Shine 29
Mong 28
JYJ25
ToSsGirL 23
HiyA 21
Movie 15
zelot 11
Oystein8
Dewaltoss 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6149
qojqva1841
Dendi1007
XcaliburYe129
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
ScreaM889
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor303
Liquid`Hasu162
Other Games
B2W.Neo2067
Mlord406
DeMusliM271
Beastyqt257
Lowko252
Hui .193
Fuzer 177
Trikslyr22
febbydoto4
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7304
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4521
Other Games
EGCTV624
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 11
EmSc2Tv 11
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 63
• HeavenSC 25
• OhrlRock 1
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1821
• Ler45
League of Legends
• Nemesis2810
Other Games
• WagamamaTV332
• Shiphtur65
Upcoming Events
IPSL
38m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
2h 38m
BSL 21
3h 38m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 38m
RSL Revival
17h 38m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
19h 38m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
19h 38m
BSL 21
1d 3h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 3h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 6h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.