EPTOn January 15 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:
Not true. Hero and JYP win late game vs Zerg all the time.
Not true. Hero and JYP win late game vs Zerg all the time.
Ye, I saw JYP winning against Dimaga on Dual Sight at the HSC...oh wait!
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
Ye, I saw JYP winning against Dimaga on Dual Sight at the HSC...oh wait! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26036 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote: Not true. Hero and JYP win late game vs Zerg all the time. They beat them by chipping around the edges and not LETTING Zerg get that composition going, with a big bank and spines at every base. It's map dependent as well, on Meta there is pretty much nowhere that is suitable for a good engagement against that comp. | ||
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Whalecore
Norway1111 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote: Not true. Hero and JYP win late game vs Zerg all the time. JYP vs Dimaga at HSC Super late game.. JYP has 100% map control (but map is almost mined out), Dimaga has ONE base left with 40 spine crawlers and a maxed out Zerg deathball army of Corruptor/Infestor/Brood Lord. JYP had all the time in the world to change his composition in order to try to break the base, he still couldn't do it,,, Dimaga won the game | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:50 HaXXspetten wrote: Problem is he had 3/3 air upgrades, and as soon as he scouted that tech switch, with his lovely 10000/4000 bank he could immediately make 40 fully upgraded corruptors, plus what he already had Yeah by that time it was over. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:50 DarkShadowz wrote: Who would have thought a year ago that Zerg would have the scariest deathball in SC2? Funny how things turn out. I think Ghost/Mech is still the scariest. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:52 KalWarkov wrote: I like how the "protoss deathball is unbeatable" changed to "zerg deathball is unbeatable", while protoss got buffed and zerg got nerfed :D zerg brains function slower i guess, they realized they have T3 units and casters as well ~.~ Didn't Voidrays work differently back in the day? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:51 Pandain wrote: Yeah so does getting up a broodlord infestor corruptor army. The way stephano played(super passive) just invited carrier tech switch. I've seen plenty of tosses beat infestor broodlords with carrier/mothership based armies. MC, Hongun, Huk, they all eventually tech switch to carriers. Not really true. Yes, it takes a long time to tech up to, but once you have the tech, you can have a full army in a minute, simply because of how Zerg production works. Protoss however can only build one Carrier at a time per Stargate, and each takes 120 seconds, even if you build like 4 Stargates, it would take like 5 minutes with chrono boost to get a dozen of them... and then they just die anyway because Carriers are godawful :/ | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:49 HaXXspetten wrote: ...how the hell would void rays have helped against 15 corruptors and 25 infestors? -.- High templar kills infestors and weakens corruptors enough for voidrays. Voidrays kill corruptor and then 4 charged voidrays kill a broodlord every ingame second. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:52 Tarotis wrote: Ye, I saw JYP winning against Dimaga on Dual Sight at the HSC...oh wait! Give dimaga the brain to play lategame like stephano. Dimaga shouldve 3-0d JYP easily, he threw all games away. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26036 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:52 Whalecore wrote: JYP vs Dimaga at HSC Super late game.. JYP has 100% map control (but map is almost mined out), Dimaga has ONE base left with 40 spine crawlers and a maxed out Zerg deathball army of Corruptor/Infestor/Brood Lord. JYP had all the time in the world to change his composition in order to try to break the base, he still couldn't do it,,, Dimaga won the game Also not true. There was only about 2k gas left on the entire map, whatever tech switch he wanted would not have been enough. His 11k minerals was useless. JYP could never have breached Dimaga's fort, he should have just backed up himself and tried to go for a draw. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:49 Seraphone wrote: Grubby could and should have won that game. He had so many opportunities to snipe hatcheries with DT's both when his shrine finished and when he had the warp prism in the bottom of the map. When it gets to 10 spines at every base and max brood/infestor then sure he can't win but he made a lot of errors by not utilising major harass opportunities. Read his post again: the question was how to beat this composition of broodlord infestor, not how to win a game vs stephano. the real problem are the infestors, because the counter everything with chain fungal. i think there should be a delay so that you cant fungal the same unit again for a short period so that there is a way to run after a fungal. i feel like carries could beat broodfestors, but they are too easily countered with corrupters | ||
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Automata
393 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:54 KalWarkov wrote: Give dimaga the brain to play lategame like stephano. Dimaga shouldve 3-0d JYP easily, he threw all games away. And yet Stephano lost 2-0 to MC and actually is 0-5 against MC. The game is not imbalanced. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:51 Pandain wrote: Carriers scale with numbers Any air unit "scales with numbers." | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8641 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:54 Sea_Food wrote: High templar kills infestors and weakens corruptors enough for voidrays. Voidrays kill corruptor and then 4 charged voidrays kill a broodlord every ingame second. In theory they could win on unit test map yeah... but not on meta. so I urge you to show some replay proof or it didn´t happen. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:54 Sea_Food wrote: High templar kills infestors and weakens corruptors enough for voidrays. Voidrays kill corruptor and then 4 charged voidrays kill a broodlord every ingame second. So you're saying you would move your templar forth and feedback 25 infestors and storm all the corruptors without getting oneshotted and blocked by broodlings and/or fungaled one single time and trapping them all? If you even leave like 5 infestors alive, your voidrays are gonna be useless as well... | ||
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