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On January 16 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
People give Stephano way too little credit for his intelligence and obvious maturity. Many other people at that age would be abandoning their future career plans and going all-in on something like pro-gaming. Stephano knows it's a better idea to get an education and join one of the most respected professions in the world. He is smart, very smart and is exploiting his current success as much as he can to get a headstart in his career.
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain.
In most careers, you only have to be competent to be successful. As a competitive player in eSports, however, you have to win to be successful. That's the difference in job security - competency is easy to achieve; being better than your peers, not so easy.
The way I see it, you go into eSports for the life-style rather than for the career. People who are in eSports are in it because they are passionate about it and want to be part of the competition, the excitement, the atmosphere, etc., and not because they're trying to secure a great career. In this respect, you do get something from eSports that you don't get from more lucrative careers (and if you did, then why are you in eSports?)
But at the same time, it means that you have to have a backup, because when the party ends you don't want to be left hanging. The opportunity cost lies therein. You're trading time towards fulfilling a passion for time towards getting a better career.
This brings us back to Stephano. Stephano wants both - he wants to fulfill his passion, but at the same time he wants to use the time spent doing that towards fueling a better career. This is like having your cake and eating it, too.
Well, if Stephano can manage to have his cake and eat it too, all power to him.
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On January 16 2012 07:04 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Some players don't have or prefer not to use Paypal, so we wire them the money, which takes a couple of days. weird, i would never use paypal to get paid, or any official thing is paypal instantaneous?
Yes and it's also extremely reliable. I've been using Paypal for many years to do my business and it's never let me down. Gives a better exchange rate than my bank I might add.
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On January 16 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
People give Stephano way too little credit for his intelligence and obvious maturity. Many other people at that age would be abandoning their future career plans and going all-in on something like pro-gaming. Stephano knows it's a better idea to get an education and join one of the most respected professions in the world. He is smart, very smart and is exploiting his current success as much as he can to get a headstart in his career.
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain.
There is something that his education can't give him : fame. I think Stephano cares a lot about that.
He definitely stands out from the crowd right now, while there are plenty of doctors around here.
While I agree that it's a wise choice to chose one well respected profession in the long run, delaying it for a couple of years for taking full advantage of your amazing talent is not stupid.
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On January 16 2012 07:05 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:59 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:55 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:52 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote:On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote:
How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. Depnds what six figures is... 100K not so much 999K is. Any specialist makes over 600K in US. Like an anesthesiologist or Radiologist. None even come close in EU. Higher end surgeons who own thier own practice make over 1 million such as orthopedics and such. None in EU do. I would never become a doctor in EU due to low end of the six figure spectrum and spending 8 years making nothing. But to each his own. average doctor in my country earns less than 12k euro per year so a lot of ppl here plan to study and go abroads cuz 60k is heaven compared to 12;) That's a shame but even here in USA where they are paid the most it's best to be an investment banker/trader on wall street/chicago exchange than go to medical school. The govt will crack down on doctors here in furtue and insurance companies already are that have many leaving the feild espcially rural or general practice. I'm 19 with perfect GPA and going for accounting then MBA - no way I'd get into medicine let alone in EU. too many hours too many years for too little renewmeration. well i guess people who wanna be doctors have a lot of commitment, they aren't doing it purely for money. it's one of the most respected/etc professions by nature- you dedicate yourself to heal. also lot of people are into science and stuff Yeah it's a noble profession. But if I were the best gamer in Europe I'd have to play that for all it's worth then go to medical school if that was my intrest. That's all. But like I said to each his own.
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On January 16 2012 07:02 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2012 06:59 xrapture wrote:
Some people care about money, some people don't. Personally, I'd rather make 30k a year with immvp's life than 600k as a doctor. As a a pro gamer, I'd be doing what I absolutely love, instead of putting a dollar amount on my life's validation. If it was a lawyer, then maybe the "it's about the money" argument could happen some people goes through law school, not because of the money but because they like it (the justice, the debates,...)
Yeah lol. I dunno why people think that to be happy you have to be something like a rockstar/progammer/whatever to be happy with what you do. I mean do whatever you want but don't assume that all people who are in "normal" jobs are the sterotypical cubicle unhappy borderline suicidal worker.
Dunno, I work as an engineer and I love my job. It may not be glamorous but I love what I do
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On January 16 2012 07:07 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
People give Stephano way too little credit for his intelligence and obvious maturity. Many other people at that age would be abandoning their future career plans and going all-in on something like pro-gaming. Stephano knows it's a better idea to get an education and join one of the most respected professions in the world. He is smart, very smart and is exploiting his current success as much as he can to get a headstart in his career.
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain. In most careers, you only have to be competent to be successful. As a competitive player in eSports, however, you have to win to be successful. That's the difference in job security - competency is easy to achieve; being better than your peers, not so easy. The way I see it, you go into eSports for the life-style rather than for the career. People who are in eSports are in it because they are passionate about it and want to be part of the competition, the excitement, the atmosphere, etc., and not because they're trying to secure a great career. In this respect, you do get something from eSports that you don't get from more lucrative careers (and if you did, then why are you in eSports?) But at the same time, it means that you have to have a backup, because when the party ends you don't want to be left hanging. The opportunity cost lies therein. You're trading time towards fulfilling a passion for time towards getting a better career. This brings us back to Stephano. Stephano wants both - he wants to fulfill his passion, but at the same time he wants to use the time spent doing that towards fueling a better career. This is like having your cake and eating it, too. Well, if Stephano can manage to have his cake and eat it too, all power to him. There is also opportunity cost of making money young investing/compounding rather than getting first paycheck at 25-28. Basically money doubles every 7-10 years if you're at all compitant.
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Lol Darkforce ended up with more money than Ret and Grubby thanks to tips.
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You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw
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On January 16 2012 08:01 dashmode wrote:
You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw
Regular sports pay way, way better than E-Sports and have a lot more career options once you retire.
In Starcraft you can go from the best in the world to a scrub in six months (ala Fruit Dealer) that's not really the cast in real sports.
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On January 16 2012 08:08 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:01 dashmode wrote:
You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw Regular sports pay way, way better than E-Sports and have a lot more career options once you retire. In Starcraft you can go from the best in the world to a scrub in six months (ala Fruit Dealer) that's not really the cast in real sports.
Something like that will never happen again, SC2 was very young and everybody played completely garbage back then compared to now.
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I enjoyed the games a lot TB and Apollo, it was a very enjoyable tournament to watch!
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On January 16 2012 08:09 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:08 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 08:01 dashmode wrote:
You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw Regular sports pay way, way better than E-Sports and have a lot more career options once you retire. In Starcraft you can go from the best in the world to a scrub in six months (ala Fruit Dealer) that's not really the cast in real sports. Something like that will never happen again, SC2 was very young and everybody played completely garbage back then compared to now.
Plenty other players have had (not quite such dramatic) falls from grace:
Jinro, Rainbow, Ensnare, Hongun, Trickster, TOP, Losira, Coca, Losira, Byun.
You're only a few months of weak tournaments away from dropping off the radar entirely in this business. Not exactly job security.
Plus when Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and 30 other super talented guys swapped a lot of current pro gamers are going to be out in the cold.
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On January 16 2012 08:01 dashmode wrote:
You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw
Top players of smaller sports (that is not big four in America, soccer, cricket, tennis etc.) are regularly amateurs. Lacrosse is a national sport in Canada, but lacrosse players tend to be teachers, plumbers, professionals of various kinds. That's just how it is when you aren't assured enough money to last your entire life.
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when you are succesful in a normal sport you don't need to do anything else when you retire, you'll have more than enough money to live twice.
how does idra plan to live with only sc2?
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On January 16 2012 08:23 Extenz wrote:
when you are succesful in a normal sport you don't need to do anything else when you retire, you'll have more than enough money to live twice.
how does idra plan to live with only sc2?
He most likely doesn't, along with any other smart player.
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Is anyone else concerned that only $3800 was raised for SCi5? I'm pretty sure the viewership for SCi4 was bigger than the previous ones so I don't know why this happened. The players themselves got lots of tips so money doesn't seem to be an issue. Maybe TB should have pitched for more donations during the cast. I guess this means the prize pool will be lower next time around.
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Idra is only in his early twenties. He can quit playing Starcraft 2 in five years or something and do university. He only needs to save enough money to pay for university and he can still get student loans.
Also, someone like Stephano can just dial down practice to an hour or two a day even while in university. Becoming a doctor is hard work, but certainly not so much that you can't spare 10 hours a week for a hobby while in your first two years of university or something.
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On January 16 2012 08:46 red4ce wrote:
Is anyone else concerned that only $3800 was raised for SCi5? I'm pretty sure the viewership for SCi4 was bigger than the previous ones so I don't know why this happened. The players themselves got lots of tips so money doesn't seem to be an issue. Maybe TB should have pitched for more donations during the cast. I guess this means the prize pool will be lower next time around.
Nah, $3800 is actually more $1400 more than we got last time. This tournament isn't just donations, I give all my stream revenue to it so that more than covers the prizepool. We're not going any lower than $5k unless something dramatic happens to stop me. With the streaming I've done over the course of the month, we cover the $5k no problem.
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On January 16 2012 08:14 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:09 ZAiNs wrote:On January 16 2012 08:08 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 08:01 dashmode wrote:
You guys are NUTS. By your logic, there should be no sport at all because it is not reliable and safe for you future, I mean do you know how many retired pro sport stars are going bankrupt? Being smart is doing what you love and save as much money as you can to assure you future, not giving up on sport because you are afraid of what is going to happen after you will retire. If you love something, and you are extremely good at this, can make good money by this, then stick to it. Sure, esport is different than real sport in a way of making money, no contracts with salary (not on a level of real sport), you have to be one of the best and you have to win to make money, but who knows how things will turn out in the next 5 years? If I were Stephano I wouldn't give up on sc2 so early, he is 19 years old for god's sake but in my opinion he just doesn't have passion and love for this game, he has other plans/dreams and sc2 is just another stop in his life to make some money. If he hasn't had so much success with sc2 he would drop this game MONTHS ago, I am almost 100% sure thats the case.
sorry for bad english btw Regular sports pay way, way better than E-Sports and have a lot more career options once you retire. In Starcraft you can go from the best in the world to a scrub in six months (ala Fruit Dealer) that's not really the cast in real sports. Something like that will never happen again, SC2 was very young and everybody played completely garbage back then compared to now. Plenty other players have had (not quite such dramatic) falls from grace: Jinro, Rainbow, Ensnare, Hongun, Trickster, TOP, Losira, Coca, Losira, Byun. You're only a few months of weak tournaments away from dropping off the radar entirely in this business. Not exactly job security. Plus when Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and 30 other super talented guys swapped a lot of current pro gamers are going to be out in the cold.
Most of the players you named have the same problem as FruitDealer (being good while the game is young). TOP and Losira are still good and were never considered to be close to 'the best player'. Byun and Coca fell because of their 'scandal'. If you're the best, or close to the best at this point then you can definitely maintain that as long as you practice hard.
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