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On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote:
How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect.
Depnds what six figures is... 100K not so much 999K is. Any specialist makes over 600K in US. Like an anesthesiologist or Radiologist. None even come close in EU. Higher end surgeons who own thier own practice make over 1 million such as orthopedics and such. None in EU do. I would never become a doctor in EU due to low end of the six figure spectrum and spending 8 years making nothing. But to each his own.
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On January 16 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
People give Stephano way too little credit for his intelligence and obvious maturity. Many other people at that age would be abandoning their future career plans and going all-in on something like pro-gaming. Stephano knows it's a better idea to get an education and join one of the most respected professions in the world. He is smart, very smart and is exploiting his current success as much as he can to get a headstart in his career.
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain.
That's a good point, and well said TB.
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On January 16 2012 06:52 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote:On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote:
How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. Depnds what six figures is... 100K not so much 999K is. Any specialist makes over 600K in US. Like an anesthesiologist or Radiologist. None even come close in EU. Higher end surgeons who own thier own practice make over 1 million such as orthopedics and such. None in EU do. I would never become a doctor in EU due to low end of the six figure spectrum and spending 8 years making nothing. But to each his own.
average doctor in my country earns less than 12k euro per year so a lot of ppl here plan to study and go abroads cuz 60k is heaven compared to 12;)
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On January 16 2012 06:48 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:43 Ysellian wrote:On January 16 2012 06:41 DOUDOU wrote:On January 16 2012 06:36 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:
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school > sc2 money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry No,its not. He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument. 80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education. I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano!  i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners) 3500€ .. per month? with no education? that's european euros, right? how much does a small flat costs there and how long do you need to get me one? 3500 per month? You have got to be kidding me... that's a way the government tries to keep foreigners from taking jobs, by forcing the employers to pay more for foreigners. it actually even depends on your home country at the company i know about. so they only employ you if they really need you. or i don't know what you were implying, is it too little for you?
That sounds like a smart thing actually and possibly allow the more labor intensive jobs to be done by students doing it part-time. But yeah I was shocked to hear 3500, but as you said you still need to reduce that amount with taxes and it all adds up! My statement was basically out of shock 
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At this time, we're pleased to report that all players who have participated in the SHOUTcraft Invitational #4 have been paid their tournament winnings. The only exception would be the one player who has requested a bank transfer.
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On January 16 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
People give Stephano way too little credit for his intelligence and obvious maturity. Many other people at that age would be abandoning their future career plans and going all-in on something like pro-gaming. Stephano knows it's a better idea to get an education and join one of the most respected professions in the world. He is smart, very smart and is exploiting his current success as much as he can to get a headstart in his career.
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain.
Yes this! Its about having something to fall back on if things don't work out as you'd hoped (which happens to most people in a field like pro-gaming). Now becoming a doctor is a pretty mammoth fall-back plan but probably requires too much investment to ever have a hope of coming back to gaming.
Players who just game and have no fall-back plan are the Starcraft equivilent of 1 basers, things might work out for them for a while, but eventually they're going to run out of steam unless they expand and they just need to hope they don't expand too late.
Players who continue studying while they play, like qxc, are like 2 rax or 3 gate sentry expand, they're set up to move out and put some pressure on, but they're going to expand at the same time so if things don't go well they can pull back and defend their economic advantage.
Getting a medical degree is like going forge fast expand except you build 5 Nexuses and 9 million cannons. Sure you're safe and have a nice economy, but you're never going to move out ever.
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Great tournament and can't wait for SCI5!
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Some people care about money, some people don't. Personally, I'd rather make 30k a year with immvp's life than 600k as a doctor. As a a pro gamer, I'd be doing what I absolutely love, instead of putting a dollar amount on my life's validation.
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On January 16 2012 06:55 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:52 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote:On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote:
How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. Depnds what six figures is... 100K not so much 999K is. Any specialist makes over 600K in US. Like an anesthesiologist or Radiologist. None even come close in EU. Higher end surgeons who own thier own practice make over 1 million such as orthopedics and such. None in EU do. I would never become a doctor in EU due to low end of the six figure spectrum and spending 8 years making nothing. But to each his own. average doctor in my country earns less than 12k euro per year so a lot of ppl here plan to study and go abroads cuz 60k is heaven compared to 12;)
That's a shame but even here in USA where they are paid the most it's best to be an investment banker/trader on wall street/chicago exchange than go to medical school. The govt will crack down on doctors here in furtue and insurance companies already are that have many leaving the feild espcially rural or general practice.
I'm 19 with perfect GPA and going for accounting then MBA - no way I'd get into medicine let alone in EU. to many hours to many years for to little renewmeration.
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On January 16 2012 06:57 Intricacy wrote:
At this time, we're pleased to report that all players who have participated in the SHOUTcraft Invitational #4 have been paid their tournament winnings. The only exception would be the one player who has requested a bank transfer.
what do other player ask for? cash?
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On January 16 2012 06:59 xrapture wrote:
Some people care about money, some people don't. Personally, I'd rather make 30k a year with immvp's life than 600k as a doctor. As a a pro gamer, I'd be doing what I absolutely love, instead of putting a dollar amount on my life's validation.
It's not hard to see why someone would want to become a doctor. If it was a lawyer, then maybe the "it's about the money" argument could happen, but a doctor is saving lives and working long, long hours.
what do other player ask for? cash?
Some players don't have or prefer not to use Paypal, so we wire them the money, which takes a couple of days.
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On January 16 2012 07:00 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:57 Intricacy wrote:
At this time, we're pleased to report that all players who have participated in the SHOUTcraft Invitational #4 have been paid their tournament winnings. The only exception would be the one player who has requested a bank transfer. what do other player ask for? cash?
Paypal, I guess.
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On January 16 2012 06:56 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:48 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:43 Ysellian wrote:On January 16 2012 06:41 DOUDOU wrote:On January 16 2012 06:36 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:
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money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry No,its not. He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument. 80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education. I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano! i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners) 3500€ .. per month? with no education? that's european euros, right? how much does a small flat costs there and how long do you need to get me one? 3500 per month? You have got to be kidding me... that's a way the government tries to keep foreigners from taking jobs, by forcing the employers to pay more for foreigners. it actually even depends on your home country at the company i know about. so they only employ you if they really need you. or i don't know what you were implying, is it too little for you? That sounds like a smart thing actually and possibly allow the more labor intensive jobs to be done by students doing it part-time. But yeah I was shocked to hear 3500, but as you said you still need to reduce that amount with taxes and it all adds up! My statement was basically out of shock
yeah hehe. also probably as an engineer/economist with a degree one could get way more. but then renting a flat can eat up half of your salary...
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On January 16 2012 07:00 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:57 Intricacy wrote:
At this time, we're pleased to report that all players who have participated in the SHOUTcraft Invitational #4 have been paid their tournament winnings. The only exception would be the one player who has requested a bank transfer. what do other player ask for? cash?
paypal obv !
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On January 16 2012 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:59 xrapture wrote:
Some people care about money, some people don't. Personally, I'd rather make 30k a year with immvp's life than 600k as a doctor. As a a pro gamer, I'd be doing what I absolutely love, instead of putting a dollar amount on my life's validation. If it was a lawyer, then maybe the "it's about the money" argument could happen
some people goes through law school, not because of the money but because they like it (the justice, the debates,...)
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On January 16 2012 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Some players don't have or prefer not to use Paypal, so we wire them the money, which takes a couple of days.
weird, i would never use paypal to get paid, or any official thing
is paypal instantaneous?
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On January 16 2012 06:36 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF school > sc2 money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry No,its not. He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument. 80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education. I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano! i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners)
3,5k per month? Can you link your source plz?
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It's not just tournament winnings there is also sponsorship money that players/teams get
However in my opinion stephano is making the perfect decision and frankly i wish i was in his position i would do the exact same. The lifespan of starcraft is an uncertainty. It may last 50 years it may last 5. Your level of competativeness in starcraft is an uncertainty. Whos to say that HOTS comes out and stephano could be terrible. Having a safety net to fall back on can be the difference between homelessness and a comfortable life.
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On January 16 2012 06:59 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:55 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:52 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote:On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote:On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote:
How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. Depnds what six figures is... 100K not so much 999K is. Any specialist makes over 600K in US. Like an anesthesiologist or Radiologist. None even come close in EU. Higher end surgeons who own thier own practice make over 1 million such as orthopedics and such. None in EU do. I would never become a doctor in EU due to low end of the six figure spectrum and spending 8 years making nothing. But to each his own. average doctor in my country earns less than 12k euro per year so a lot of ppl here plan to study and go abroads cuz 60k is heaven compared to 12;) That's a shame but even here in USA where they are paid the most it's best to be an investment banker/trader on wall street/chicago exchange than go to medical school. The govt will crack down on doctors here in furtue and insurance companies already are that have many leaving the feild espcially rural or general practice. I'm 19 with perfect GPA and going for accounting then MBA - no way I'd get into medicine let alone in EU. too many hours too many years for too little renewmeration.
well i guess people who wanna be doctors have a lot of commitment, they aren't doing it purely for money. it's one of the most respected/etc professions by nature- you dedicate yourself to heal. also lot of people are into science and stuff
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On January 16 2012 07:05 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:36 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF school > sc2 money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry No,its not. He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument. 80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education. I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano! i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners) 3,5k per month? Can you link your source plz?
source is written in hungarian. it's basically 18-20k crones for hungarians (i think with degree)- that's around 3,5k euros or a little less. probably around 2k with taxes reduced.
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