EPTSHOUTcraft Invitational 4 - "Colin Smith" - Page 165
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CandyHunterz
Canada66 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:36 msjakofsky wrote: i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners) 3500€ .. per month? with no education? that's european euros, right? how much does a small flat costs there and how long do you need to get me one? | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote: How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? Because the people making that argument are kids that like to dream of becoming a progamer. It's nothing unusual,its just better to realize as soon as possible that you were wrong.< I respect every pro gamer for their effort put into this game,else I wouldn't be here and watch them play. But its just stupid to cry out at stephano and ask him to "be reasonable"LOL and quit school for pro gaming. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:41 DOUDOU wrote: 3500€ .. per month? with no education? that's european euros, right? how much does a small flat costs there and how long do you need to get me one? 3500 per month? You have got to be kidding me... | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:40 Seraphone wrote: How can people possibly argue that being a gamer is a better life choice than being a doctor? A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. | ||
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CandyHunterz
Canada66 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:42 TheKefka wrote: Because the people making that argument are kids that like to dream of becoming a progamer. It's nothing unusual,its just better to realize as soon as possible that you were wrong. yet those kids call the the others "kid" for having an argument that a proper career will > sc2 in the long run. I laugh | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:39 Switchy wrote: And 95%+ of 'progamers' earned fuckall. There is no future in being a progamer, stop kidding yourself. I like being able to watch these pro's battle it out. But overall its very stupid to try and become a pro for 99% of people i'd say. Agreed. The same argument can be used for competitive sportsmen, they don't spend their entire life playing their sport and they have to retire sometime but they always have a backup plan (usually a degree). At the moment there are no backup plans for the time a progaming career is over and one certainly can't be playing SC2 for the rest of their lives... | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:30 Roe wrote: how many people become doctors? that's not a great comparison. and lots of doctors/programmers get layed off because their employers dotn want to spend money. if you're a freelance worker, you make money on your own effort like he is right now. I'm looking at it from Stephano's point of view - for him, the decision to become a doctor exists, and he has to weigh that with staying a pro-gamer. Other people may have different choices. On a side-note, it isn't that hard to become a doctor if you don't slack off in school. I mean, I understand people saying that it's not easy to get into a good career track, etc. But it really is just an opportunity cost that gets decided early in life, and not entirely by you, since your family and where you live has a lot to do with whether you go to a good school, stay out of trouble, and have the finances to support going to med school (without doing something like what Stephano is doing). | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:41 DOUDOU wrote: 3500€ .. per month? with no education? that's european euros, right? how much does a small flat costs there and how long do you need to get me one? hehe i don't know what stuff costs in france but keep in mind that 3500 becomes like 2000 with taxes, and i read that stuff is expensive there (food/drink/flat is quite cheap in hungary) there is a hostel there that is quite cheap and some hungarians live in that, i know that's cheap. but to rent a flat, that's quite expensive | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:44 Azarkon wrote: Schools are usually free in Europe so that's not a factor.I'm looking at it from Stephano's point of view - for him, the decision to become a doctor exists, and he has to weigh that with staying a pro-gamer. Other people may have different choices. On a side-note, it isn't that hard to become a doctor if you don't slack off in school. I mean, I understand people saying that it's not easy to get into a good career track, etc. But it really is just an opportunity cost that gets decided early in life, and not entirely by you, since your family and where you live has a lot to do with whether you go to a good school, stay out of trouble, and have the finances to support going to med school (without doing something like what Stephano is doing). | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
It reminds me of something my parents said to me before I left home, when I had some weird ideas about my career path. They said "get your degree, then you can do whatever you want". So I did and now I talk about videogames for a living. Stephano can get his degree then do whatever he wants, rather than squander his chance at a good education to pursue something that may not last and is even now, incredibly volatile and uncertain. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote: A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote: I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano!  I get 100k danish kroner (krones) from the state each year for being unemployed...... | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:43 Ysellian wrote: 3500 per month? You have got to be kidding me... that's a way the government tries to keep foreigners from taking jobs, by forcing the employers to pay more for foreigners. it actually even depends on your home country at the company i know about. so they only employ you if they really need you. or i don't know what you were implying, is it too little for you? | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:43 tdt wrote: A doctor in Europe... In US no question it's better as they can charge a lot more. So I'm a nurse myself so I know what Doctors are paid, what employment opportunities are and what the actual job takes. While MVP might earn more in a year than a Doctor does he sure as hell won't earn more in his lifetime (including in Europe). Not to mention that being a Doctor is a secure job which will always be in demand where you're making a positive contribution to society. Doctors (especially junior Doctors) work extremely hard but they still don't do the 10 hours a day, 6 days a week than Sc2 gamers do. Stephano doesn't train as hard as some (although the 3 hours thing is a lie) but when Flash and Jaedong switch there's no chance of anyone succeeding in Sc2 without training 10 hours a day in a pro gaming house with minimal personal space and privacy. There's no question that if he wants to be and has the qualifications and drive to make it as a Doctor that he should do it. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:47 DaCruise wrote: I get 100k danish kroner (krones) from the state each year for being unemployed...... Haha dude I want your "job". | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:46 Eufouria wrote: You can still earn 6 figures in the UK working as a doctor for the state and comparable amounts to US doctors if you work in private practice. I have to imagine that countries like France and Germany are very similar to the UK in this aspect. You don't earn 6 figures as a Doctor in the UK without doing locum work or working for Bupa on the side. Consultants get 80-90k based on years served and SHO's/Registrars and House Officers (more junior Doctors) earn a lot less than that. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
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