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DivinitySC2
Profile Joined July 2011
United States244 Posts
January 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#881
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives), 2rax intro into expand.

Just because you can't think outside of the box does not mean others players/fans can't either. In Korea he also is more or less one of the strongest ladder players(frequent rank 1) because of his cheesy play style.
To Iterate is Human, to Recurse, Divine
Moskau
Profile Joined July 2010
114 Posts
January 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#882
He isn't as good as he was back in open season, but he's still good. I mean hell, he won AOL just a few months back and made it to WCG Korea finals. He's hardly fallen into obscurity.


He's saying he will, not that he has already. He just doesn't play the game right, he makes too many bad decisions. It doesn't matter how good your micro is without having good macro or making good strategical decisions you will eventually fall by the wayside .
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#883
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
January 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#884
ummm no audio wolf lol
TG Manny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:57:42
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#885
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?

Agreed

(Other than TvT no-wall for the mineral mining time, TvP in some cases)
Singularity is at hand...
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#886
Quick, what was that song that was JUST on? the one right before the game?
No Artosis, you are robin
Maziu
Profile Joined June 2010
51 Posts
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#887
The audio sounds weird?
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#888
played this on the ladder vs. terran and zerg....hate it..as zerg
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#889
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?


If the Zerg decides to run in while you're going for a economic/safer build, then they lose their map control and have to sacrifice larvae for more Zerglings.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
January 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#890
"Rock-blocking"

Lol
TG Manny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States325 Posts
January 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#891
On January 02 2012 19:57 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?


If the Zerg decides to run in while you're going for a economic/safer build, then they lose their map control and have to sacrifice larvae for more Zerglings.


Don;t you lose your stuffs?
Singularity is at hand...
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#892
On January 02 2012 19:55 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:52 figq wrote:
About the no-wall thing, it must be some korean meta TvZ - noticed Bomber does it often on stream. No idea why exactly.

They're simply being cocky or lazy. As a Terran player, I'm glad MKP got punished hard for it. You deserve to lose that badly when you refuse to execute the basics of your race.
I doubt it. My guess is they do it against zergs they know so well, they expect no early run-by, and when their build actually makes use of the saved few seconds from building closer to the minerals.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#893
On January 02 2012 19:55 Moskau wrote:
Show nested quote +
He isn't as good as he was back in open season, but he's still good. I mean hell, he won AOL just a few months back and made it to WCG Korea finals. He's hardly fallen into obscurity.


He's saying he will, not that he has already. He just doesn't play the game right, he makes too many bad decisions. It doesn't matter how good your micro is without having good macro or making good strategical decisions you will eventually fall by the wayside .

"Play the game right" What? TOP has fallen out of code A and he was regarded as one of the top macro terrans in the world. Listen, if you've still been around for a year, that's essentially the entire duration of SC2. I'd say it's not the fact that marineking's style is getting more and more figured out, but more so that better and better players have entered the scene since season 1/2. Hell, everyone knows who he is yet he still holds like 75% win ratio and tops ladder season after season.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#894
lol so they disabled horizontal spawn on this map....
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#895
On January 02 2012 19:57 TG Manny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?

Agreed

(Other than TvT no-wall for the mineral mining time, TvP in some cases)


TvP if im walling you can abuse that so easily and basically kill off the wall which is why a lot of strats dont have walls in TvP.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#896
On January 02 2012 19:58 TG Manny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:57 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?


If the Zerg decides to run in while you're going for a economic/safer build, then they lose their map control and have to sacrifice larvae for more Zerglings.


Don;t you lose your stuffs?


If you're going for a economic/safer build (something like 4rax after CC), then you can kill those zerglings easily while the scouting information won't help them because you're not playing aggressive (i.e no cheese). MKP probably had no wall-in (on Dual Sight) to try scare LosirA away from scouting.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#897
On January 02 2012 19:55 Moskau wrote:
Show nested quote +
He isn't as good as he was back in open season, but he's still good. I mean hell, he won AOL just a few months back and made it to WCG Korea finals. He's hardly fallen into obscurity.


He's saying he will, not that he has already. He just doesn't play the game right, he makes too many bad decisions. It doesn't matter how good your micro is without having good macro or making good strategical decisions you will eventually fall by the wayside .


Saying MKP has bad macro is quite off imo.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#898
OMG, just noticed entombed valley is in the pool.

What was GOM thinking???
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37087 Posts
January 02 2012 11:00 GMT
#899
TOP
vs
LosirA

on Entombed Valley

TOP at bottom left

LosirA at top left

First 5 minutes

Both players open standard

LosirA scouts TOP

TOP goes no gas dual CC
Right after CC TOP grabs both gas
TOP now scouts LosirA

LosirA pops out lings and chases away TOP's scv

TOP building a bunker at the top of his ramp for defense

LosirA runs 4 lings into TOP's base, meets marines and escapes with 1 ling

TOP moves out with his marines to see if he can put on some sort of pressure
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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dearyuna
Profile Joined December 2011
United States322 Posts
January 02 2012 11:01 GMT
#900
On January 02 2012 19:59 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:58 TG Manny wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:57 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:56 TheDwf wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:55 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:50 Moskau wrote:
This is why I never understood why people liked watching MKP play, he is the most strategically inept player in the sc2 pro scene. It's really painful to watch, now that people are actually figuring out the game hes being made to look like braindead player he is.


Yeah I always hated his playstyle and see him as someone who will fade into obscurity once people just get better.


Strategically inept? He modernized many of the strongest Terran openers and strategies. 1 rax expand, 1-1-1, bio splitting, no wall off(yes this is a real strategy with more positives than negatives),

Oh, really? Tell us more about the positive aspects, then?


If the Zerg decides to run in while you're going for a economic/safer build, then they lose their map control and have to sacrifice larvae for more Zerglings.


Don;t you lose your stuffs?


If you're going for a economic/safer build (something like 4rax after CC), then you can kill those zerglings easily while the scouting information won't help them because you're not playing aggressive (i.e no cheese). MKP probably had no wall-in (on Dual Sight) to try scare LosirA away from scouting.


Not only that but MKP seemed Hellion heavy.
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