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Australia18228 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:11 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:06 Hassybaby wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 Hassybaby wrote:On January 02 2012 18:59 Inflicted_ wrote:
Idra-style GG xD. So Hassybaby, you still wondering why Antiga Shipyard in TvZ favored? There's no such thing as race favoured maps, only player favoured maps. I'm impressed TOP beat Leencok on a Leencok favoured map That's ridiculous and untrue. Jungle basin/steppes are obviously not good maps for zerg. DQ, same story. List goes on and on and on and on. Should rephrase There's CURRENTLY no map that's race favoured. Every problem people claim a map has is solved in some way through adjustment on the map. I can concede Shattered Temple, but other maps are either pretty balanced overall, or there have not been enough games to say if the map is balanced or not. That argument is totally ridiculous. Regardless of how many matches have been broadcasted, thousands of games have been played on these maps. If there's a general consensus among Korean pros as to what maps are good for each race, there's likely some degree of imbalance. Also, what about maps like Crossfire? There have been enough broadcasted games to know it isn't exactly balanced.
But Hassy's right in that it is only favored due to their playstyle. If both races play their 'standard' style, then Terran would be much more favored on a map like Antiga Shipyard, but if the Zerg decides to play aggressive, then the map-style of Antiga Shipyard can be pretty favorable to them.
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So was that replay bar fake?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37067 Posts
Is it just me or...... has TOP gotten better? : ]
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Daybreak in the bottom left is  Top In the top right is  Leenock
0:30Proxy supply depot / barracks Leenock going hatch first
3:00
Gas then pool for Leenock Bunker going up for Top
4:10More bunkers up for top natural being taken down Ling speed starting for Leenock
7:00Natural falls Barracks forced to lift however
7:30All the bunkers have been killed but a lot of lings go down
8:40
Natural on the way for Leenock + evo chamber Stim on the way for Top along with his third base
11:30Siege tech for Top along with more production Leenock taking the gas at his nat
13:30Spire burrow and baneling speed for Leenock Top moving around the map with huge armies
14:40Top attacking the third of Leenock but is forced to lift up Drop in main kills a few drones
15:40
Fourth starting for Top
Mutas out for leenock but they can't engage top's army
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Seriously, TOP has been working on his weaknesses.
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On January 02 2012 19:09 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:07 Xcobidoo wrote:
So this is basically KSL but with lower quality and cast from replays. Nope because: KSL's prize pool isn't as big andddddddd players have a lot more on the line
What's the prize pool for KSL? The one for king of kongs is not fantastic, unless liquipedia is lying to me 
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I was really disappointed to find that these are replays, if a league like KSL can get players to play live, why can't GSL get this played live?
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On January 02 2012 19:13 Seeker wrote:
Is it just me or...... has TOP gotten better? : ]
His multitasking has improved quite a bit, yeah, if only his army control would be better, he would be soooo scary.
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On January 02 2012 19:10 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:08 [17]Purple wrote:
TOP, 1 base ahead of Zerg... Standard. ZvT - Zerg has to be 1 base ahead of Terran TOPvZ - TOP has to be 1 base ahead of Zerg
TOPvZ - Max out before the zerg.
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On January 02 2012 19:13 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:09 Seeker wrote:On January 02 2012 19:07 Xcobidoo wrote:
So this is basically KSL but with lower quality and cast from replays. Nope because: KSL's prize pool isn't as big andddddddd players have a lot more on the line What's the prize pool for KSL? The one for king of kongs is not fantastic, unless liquipedia is lying to me
KSL prize pool is $100 first place and $50 second place on individual days
$200 to the winner on Team days.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Daybreak in the bottom left is Top In the top right is Leenock
0:30Proxy supply depot / barracks Leenock going hatch first
3:00
Gas then pool for Leenock Bunker going up for Top
4:10More bunkers up for top natural being taken down Ling speed starting for Leenock
7:00Natural falls Barracks forced to lift however
7:30All the bunkers have been killed but a lot of lings go down
8:40
Natural on the way for Leenock + evo chamber Stim on the way for Top along with his third base
11:30Siege tech for Top along with more production Leenock taking the gas at his nat
13:30Spire burrow and baneling speed for Leenock Top moving around the map with huge armies
14:40Top attacking the third of Leenock but is forced to lift up Drop in main kills a few drones
15:40Fourth starting for Top Mutas out for leenock but they can't engage top's army
18:00
Top moving to attack the natural of leenock while dropping the third
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Thinking this game will be over in about 2 minutes, call me crazy.
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TOP is on fire, wow nice 
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:13 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:11 Jehct wrote:On January 02 2012 19:06 Hassybaby wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 Hassybaby wrote:On January 02 2012 18:59 Inflicted_ wrote:
Idra-style GG xD. So Hassybaby, you still wondering why Antiga Shipyard in TvZ favored? There's no such thing as race favoured maps, only player favoured maps. I'm impressed TOP beat Leencok on a Leencok favoured map That's ridiculous and untrue. Jungle basin/steppes are obviously not good maps for zerg. DQ, same story. List goes on and on and on and on. Should rephrase There's CURRENTLY no map that's race favoured. Every problem people claim a map has is solved in some way through adjustment on the map. I can concede Shattered Temple, but other maps are either pretty balanced overall, or there have not been enough games to say if the map is balanced or not. That argument is totally ridiculous. Regardless of how many matches have been broadcasted, thousands of games have been played on these maps. If there's a general consensus among Korean pros as to what maps are good for each race, there's likely some degree of imbalance. Also, what about maps like Crossfire? There have been enough broadcasted games to know it isn't exactly balanced. But Hassy's right in that it is only favored due to their playstyle. If both races play their 'standard' style, then Terran would be much more favored on a map like Antiga Shipyard, but if the Zerg decides to play aggressive, then the map-style of Antiga Shipyard can be pretty favorable to them.
And you've nailed my point exactly. The only reason people cry about map balance is because their playstyles don't work on the map. Guess what. You have to change depending on what map you're playing.
Its the same stupid crying that people did when their compositions didn't work vs a race, and they cried balance. You ahve to adapt to the environment, and that is definitely the case for maps.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:02 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Daybreak in the bottom left is Top In the top right is Leenock
0:30Proxy supply depot / barracks Leenock going hatch first
3:00
Gas then pool for Leenock Bunker going up for Top
4:10More bunkers up for top natural being taken down Ling speed starting for Leenock
7:00Natural falls Barracks forced to lift however
7:30All the bunkers have been killed but a lot of lings go down
8:40
Natural on the way for Leenock + evo chamber Stim on the way for Top along with his third base
11:30Siege tech for Top along with more production Leenock taking the gas at his nat
13:30Spire burrow and baneling speed for Leenock Top moving around the map with huge armies
14:40Top attacking the third of Leenock but is forced to lift up Drop in main kills a few drones
15:40Fourth starting for Top Mutas out for leenock but they can't engage top's army
18:00
Top moving to attack the natural of leenock while dropping the third
19:30
Leenock kills the tanks but now the natural is falling
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im surprised leenock lost! well played by top
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Wow TOP just outclassed leenock
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37067 Posts
Poll: Recommend TOP vs Leenock Game 3?Yes (22) 88% No (3) 12% If you have time (0) 0% 25 total votes Your vote: Recommend TOP vs Leenock Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Well played by TOP, I just wish Zerg had cheeses like terran have
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EPT
