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KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
December 20 2011 11:17 GMT
#1721
On December 20 2011 20:13 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:10 XRaDiiX wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:08 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 Coolhwip wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:04 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
[quote]

From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.

If he lost cause he played worse then I wouldn't be so upset about the result of the match. Still fun how people fail to realize how protoss game design is a complete failure. I'm not gonna talk about this anymore since there's too many clueless players who don't understand we're watching poker and not starcraft.


You know that it's the same thing for protoss agianst terran early game. Complete guessing game. I really dont know what point you're trying to make. is it that protoss is OP or just that theres too much guessing going on in teh game in general?

My point is every matchup with a protoss in it has too many gamble aspects in it, sometimes from both sides. They just totally failed to design protoss and that's why we see terrible protoss players winning against better ones and insanely good protoss players losing to scrubs.



That's kind-of true with the PvP part The 4-gate thing with warp-gate mechanic seems to to still allow lesser players to beat superior players!


I disagree with that. Back when 4g seemed (or was?) the only viable strategy in PvP, the winner was decided by skill (micro). Now that there's theoretically a ton of possible builds, it became a gamble.



But nobody had the chance to scout after the 4gates, so the transitions (DTs, Robo, Blink) were random and kinda rock-paper-scissoresque
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1722
On December 20 2011 20:08 Sambobly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:02 Noremack.cm wrote:
Why is Tal'Darim Altar still in the map pool. The stats show its heavily favored towards T.

That being said Gumiho played that really well.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/423

I don't think it is that imbalanced...


Tal'darim is one of best PvT maps for protoss. And even if matchup isn't balanced the map brings it closer to 50/50 because of long rush distance reducing the power of earlt bio pushes. I can't imagine why would a P complain about it when colossi can play the same abusive role over the cliffs, it's just the matter of air superiority.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:18:44
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1723
Seems Ninja CC will win the game.
Game sense, game sense, damn, tassadar.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1724
On December 20 2011 20:16 Elem wrote:
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On December 20 2011 20:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Ooooo, look at those pretty flowers at those expansions
Mountain Silversage.


And the nightmares come back again -.-
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1725
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

I was about to post this
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1726
On December 20 2011 20:16 Elem wrote:
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On December 20 2011 20:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Ooooo, look at those pretty flowers at those expansions
Mountain Silversage.


Holy crap you're right....

Gotta go gather them for my Blackwing Lair raid!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1727
Hmm Ryung has to make something happen before the Colossus+storm ball gets rolling
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
December 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#1728
On December 20 2011 20:18 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

I was about to post this


i think it looks like a nirnroot!
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1729
On December 20 2011 20:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
Game Seven on Calm Before the Storm

In the top left is Ryung

While in the bottom left is Tassadar

4:40


Starport on the way for Ryung

Warp tech and a gate for Tassadar

5:40

Tassadar is taking the gas at his natural

Drop on the way for Ryung

7:00

Ryung lost the drop but the hellions got into the main and did huge damage getting 13 workers

Warp prism for Tassadar starting + twilight council

9:10


Blink on the way for Tassadar

Combat shield and stim on the way for Ryung

10:00


Tassadar attacking the main of Ryung killing a supply depot and a lot of the marines using the warp prism as a forward pylon

12:20


Robo bay, forge and a third base for Tassadar

Ryung getting two barracks and bio+1

13:30


Ghost academy and an armoury for Ryung

Tassadar getting +1 and thermal


14:30


Two more gates on the way for Tassadar while starting a dark shrine

Mobius and 2/1 for Ryung while starting his fourth


16:40


Three gates on the way for Tassadar

DT spots the ninja third
yOiyuK
Profile Joined October 2011
United States108 Posts
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1730
On December 20 2011 20:11 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:09 Scila wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 Zanno wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:05 Andr3 wrote:
I know this is SC2 but:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Ee_Han_Timing
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/All-in

yeah i am actually sick of the constant crying about all-ins on teamliquid

what do the korean broadcasters do when a player goes all in?

they go OHHHHHHHHHHHH

if everyone played a passive macro game every single game, the game would be as exciting to watch as golf


Not necessarily, BW was 90% macro games and they were very, very fun to watch. It was a slow process of small harass, unit engagements and little tricks occurring all over huge maps that would slowly allow one player to get ahead, and there was much bigger potential for comebacks.

i know how brood war works, thanks

that doesn't change the fact that korean commentators appreciate a move that shows balls of steel, i don't understand why foreigners don't

but i'm a huge july fan so maybe i'm just insane


I'm a big July fan just because I think he is a bit crazy.
I love ghost notes, baby.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:19:45
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1731
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.

lol beaten too it, stupid wow -_-
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1732
Here! Let's just show these vikings to Tassadar before I kill this single DT!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1733
On December 20 2011 20:15 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:08 TheDwf wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:46 aTnClouD wrote:
So protoss all ins and the better player is unable to react and randomly loses cause it's impossible to scout in SC2. So good.

edit: morrow still has some zvts to play anyway, there's still hope.


From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.


na morrow didnt play worse he just got caught off guard by a luck based build, cloud just comes off extremely agressive but he means well : D

No Hydras was luck or a bad decision?


personal preference, morrow likes dealing with stargate openers with spores + queens because hydras are sorta bad against 2stargatge type builds cus they get picked off easily by phoenixs once theyre rallied out, instead he goes into infestors which allows him to gain map control/hit/defend timings cus the most logical follow up to stargate openers is twilight tech


hydras get picked off easily by phoenixes yes but so are infestors...and they're 3x more expensive. Also isn't the most common follow up robo-colossi build? I do understand your point though, I just can't agree with it

btw ignore the haters. I'm glad we have competitive players among us
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#1734
This series of game is rather cringe-worthy...and now add in the observer factor as well
giesecke
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany361 Posts
December 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#1735
lil question, just opened the stream, both qualities seem to lag pretty hard hard, is it my conn. or is someone else exprerincing that ?
Skillver
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria1309 Posts
December 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#1736
Did I miss something? Why can Morrow play up/downs?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#1737
On December 20 2011 20:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
Game Seven on Calm Before the Storm

In the top left is Ryung

While in the bottom left is Tassadar

4:40


Starport on the way for Ryung

Warp tech and a gate for Tassadar

5:40

Tassadar is taking the gas at his natural

Drop on the way for Ryung

7:00

Ryung lost the drop but the hellions got into the main and did huge damage getting 13 workers

Warp prism for Tassadar starting + twilight council

9:10


Blink on the way for Tassadar

Combat shield and stim on the way for Ryung

10:00


Tassadar attacking the main of Ryung killing a supply depot and a lot of the marines using the warp prism as a forward pylon

12:20


Robo bay, forge and a third base for Tassadar

Ryung getting two barracks and bio+1

13:30


Ghost academy and an armoury for Ryung

Tassadar getting +1 and thermal

14:30


Two more gates on the way for Tassadar while starting a dark shrine

Mobius and 2/1 for Ryung while starting his fourth


16:40


Three gates on the way for Tassadar

DT spots the ninja third


18:30


Psi storm on the way for Tassadar

3/2 on the way for ryung along with another expansion
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
December 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#1738
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#1739
On December 20 2011 20:20 Skillver wrote:
Did I miss something? Why can Morrow play up/downs?

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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 20 2011 11:21 GMT
#1740
On December 20 2011 20:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
Game Seven on Calm Before the Storm

In the top left is Ryung

While in the bottom left is Tassadar

4:40


Starport on the way for Ryung

Warp tech and a gate for Tassadar

5:40

Tassadar is taking the gas at his natural

Drop on the way for Ryung

7:00

Ryung lost the drop but the hellions got into the main and did huge damage getting 13 workers

Warp prism for Tassadar starting + twilight council

9:10


Blink on the way for Tassadar

Combat shield and stim on the way for Ryung

10:00


Tassadar attacking the main of Ryung killing a supply depot and a lot of the marines using the warp prism as a forward pylon

12:20


Robo bay, forge and a third base for Tassadar

Ryung getting two barracks and bio+1

13:30


Ghost academy and an armoury for Ryung

Tassadar getting +1 and thermal

14:30


Two more gates on the way for Tassadar while starting a dark shrine

Mobius and 2/1 for Ryung while starting his fourth


16:40


Three gates on the way for Tassadar

DT spots the ninja third


18:30


Psi storm on the way for Tassadar

3/2 on the way for ryung along with another expansion
[/QUOTE]

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