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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:25:16
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1761
It's pretty obvious that Tassadar is extremely inexperienced in the lategame. Either that or he's far too nervous. He has good ideas but can't execute them anywhere close to "efficiently".
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1762
On December 20 2011 20:19 WaSa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:15 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:08 TheDwf wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:46 aTnClouD wrote:
So protoss all ins and the better player is unable to react and randomly loses cause it's impossible to scout in SC2. So good.

edit: morrow still has some zvts to play anyway, there's still hope.


From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.


na morrow didnt play worse he just got caught off guard by a luck based build, cloud just comes off extremely agressive but he means well : D

No Hydras was luck or a bad decision?


personal preference, morrow likes dealing with stargate openers with spores + queens because hydras are sorta bad against 2stargatge type builds cus they get picked off easily by phoenixs once theyre rallied out, instead he goes into infestors which allows him to gain map control/hit/defend timings cus the most logical follow up to stargate openers is twilight tech


hydras get picked off easily by phoenixes yes but so are infestors...and they're 3x more expensive. Also isn't the most common follow up robo-colossi build? I do understand your point though, I just can't agree with it

btw ignore the haters. I'm glad we have competitive players among us


I don't know lately but Morrow used to like infestor against colossi builds as well so the logic works anyway.
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1763
On December 20 2011 20:22 akalarry wrote:
khaldor is the most pessimistic caster. he's always disappointed and criticizes everything.

He's german :|
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1764
Tassadar should expand everywhere with canons, now he can warpin mass zealots and have one HT in each expo and be safe vs drops.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1765
On December 20 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:22 Erionn wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....

Burning Crusade was good times.


Spam chain heal being brought to raids for my heroism >.>

yay Shamans! I was elemental bring me for buffs yo
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1766
On December 20 2011 20:22 akalarry wrote:
khaldor is the most pessimistic caster. he's always disappointed and criticizes everything.

he's fine, there's alot to criticize in this match, i hate casters that try to hype mediocre/poor play
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
December 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#1767
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....


BC was amazing Wrath was ok up till TotC Cata was pretty bad.
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
jupiter6
Profile Joined December 2011
205 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1768
lol terran ahead in upgrades
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1769
On December 20 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:22 Erionn wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....

Burning Crusade was good times.


Spam chain heal being brought to raids for my heroism >.>


Pew Pew Mage for life yo.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:24:48
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1770
On December 20 2011 20:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:
Game Seven on Calm Before the Storm

In the top left is Ryung

While in the bottom left is Tassadar

4:40


Starport on the way for Ryung

Warp tech and a gate for Tassadar

5:40

Tassadar is taking the gas at his natural

Drop on the way for Ryung

7:00

Ryung lost the drop but the hellions got into the main and did huge damage getting 13 workers

Warp prism for Tassadar starting + twilight council

9:10


Blink on the way for Tassadar

Combat shield and stim on the way for Ryung

10:00


Tassadar attacking the main of Ryung killing a supply depot and a lot of the marines using the warp prism as a forward pylon

12:20


Robo bay, forge and a third base for Tassadar

Ryung getting two barracks and bio+1

13:30


Ghost academy and an armoury for Ryung

Tassadar getting +1 and thermal

14:30


Two more gates on the way for Tassadar while starting a dark shrine

Mobius and 2/1 for Ryung while starting his fourth

16:40


Three gates on the way for Tassadar

DT spots the ninja third


18:30


Psi storm on the way for Tassadar

3/2 on the way for ryung along with another expansion

20:00


Colossus falls

Ground armies now engaging


21:00


Tassadar cleans up the attack using good psi storms


24:10


Expansions everywhere for ryung

Tassadar preventing mining at the fourth
Erionn
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1015 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1771
On December 20 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:22 Erionn wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....

Burning Crusade was good times.


Spam chain heal being brought to raids for my heroism >.>

I was the rogue with warglaives that got all the heroisms every fight.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1772
On December 20 2011 20:17 KingPaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:13 Mandalor wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:10 XRaDiiX wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:08 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 Coolhwip wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:04 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.

If he lost cause he played worse then I wouldn't be so upset about the result of the match. Still fun how people fail to realize how protoss game design is a complete failure. I'm not gonna talk about this anymore since there's too many clueless players who don't understand we're watching poker and not starcraft.


You know that it's the same thing for protoss agianst terran early game. Complete guessing game. I really dont know what point you're trying to make. is it that protoss is OP or just that theres too much guessing going on in teh game in general?

My point is every matchup with a protoss in it has too many gamble aspects in it, sometimes from both sides. They just totally failed to design protoss and that's why we see terrible protoss players winning against better ones and insanely good protoss players losing to scrubs.



That's kind-of true with the PvP part The 4-gate thing with warp-gate mechanic seems to to still allow lesser players to beat superior players!


I disagree with that. Back when 4g seemed (or was?) the only viable strategy in PvP, the winner was decided by skill (micro). Now that there's theoretically a ton of possible builds, it became a gamble.



But nobody had the chance to scout after the 4gates, so the transitions (DTs, Robo, Blink) were random and kinda rock-paper-scissoresque


It's not like the situation right now is any different. Any possible scout (unless your opponent fucks up) comes at a time where both you and your opponent have already decided on the tech path. With both players pretty much always 4gating, you at least had a good chance of beating your opponent before the transition.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1773
On December 20 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:22 Erionn wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....

Burning Crusade was good times.


Spam chain heal being brought to raids for my heroism >.>


Tanking 10-12 elites in raid, using Thunderfury on my tankadin

Oh yeah!!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1774
On December 20 2011 20:24 jupiter6 wrote:
lol terran ahead in upgrades


When terran is ahead in upgrades that probably means the toss isn't used to Late Game
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1775
On December 20 2011 20:19 WaSa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:15 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:08 TheDwf wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:46 aTnClouD wrote:
So protoss all ins and the better player is unable to react and randomly loses cause it's impossible to scout in SC2. So good.

edit: morrow still has some zvts to play anyway, there's still hope.


From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.


na morrow didnt play worse he just got caught off guard by a luck based build, cloud just comes off extremely agressive but he means well : D

No Hydras was luck or a bad decision?


personal preference, morrow likes dealing with stargate openers with spores + queens because hydras are sorta bad against 2stargatge type builds cus they get picked off easily by phoenixs once theyre rallied out, instead he goes into infestors which allows him to gain map control/hit/defend timings cus the most logical follow up to stargate openers is twilight tech


hydras get picked off easily by phoenixes yes but so are infestors...and they're 3x more expensive. Also isn't the most common follow up robo-colossi build? I do understand your point though, I just can't agree with it

btw ignore the haters. I'm glad we have competitive players among us


8D u dont have enought gas to go collosus(unless u do alot of damage, if u dont then the z has too much eco and going colossus isnt cost efficient cus u cant mass them up fast enought and the z ends up overrunning u) and the infestors arnt ment to deal with the stargate opener theyre a follow up to the tech(i previously stated why he does this), his defence vs stargate openers = spore + queens
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1776
Protoss has way too good upgrades and composition already.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1777
ryung is getting battlecruisers!?
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 20 2011 11:25 GMT
#1778
Core Fusion
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
December 20 2011 11:25 GMT
#1779
On December 20 2011 20:24 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:22 Erionn wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:21 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:20 Pajegetc wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:19 Goibon wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:17 Tantaburs wrote:
does anyone else think those glowing bushs look like observers

Eeeeyup.

They always reminded me of the Mountain Silversage icon from WoW.

Some day things will stop reminding me of that game.


That game leaves a taint on your soul for the rest of your life unfortunely.


Hey, cmon now. Vanilla and Burning Crusade as awesome

Then it went downhill....

Burning Crusade was good times.


Spam chain heal being brought to raids for my heroism >.>


Pew Pew Mage for life yo.


We are now forever friends
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 20 2011 11:25 GMT
#1780
Oh yeah, BC transition! :D
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
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