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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 09 2011 04:58 GMT
#241
On December 09 2011 13:57 theBALLS wrote:
macsed is sase right?

no. chinese toss
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jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
December 09 2011 04:58 GMT
#242
yeah, supernova took that one quite easily. the protoss player wasn't really doing much with his phoenix's. could have harassed a bit more (pick off reinforcements, take out a few scv's). these unknown foreigners aren't doing too well compared to the koreans.

and...it's also fun casting the game myself in my head lol.
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 09 2011 04:58 GMT
#243
I don't see why one would get Phoenix to counter viking in an bio ball. Phoenixes get outranged so they have to hover above the ball and get shot down even faster...
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Incursus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
December 09 2011 04:59 GMT
#244
I wonder, if MacSed's composition might have worked better in the hands of a superior player. I don't know why, but seeing Phoenix Colossus again got me thinking.

Supernova was infinitely ahead so it was pointless in that game, his army was bigger, composition more developed, better ups and he had his third much sooner than MacSed did so that game was going south no matter what. But I wonder if given different circumstances if that composition might not have been much stronger
Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice...appears under your feet.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 09 2011 05:00 GMT
#245
On December 09 2011 13:57 Tachion wrote:
beautiful push by supernova, and it certainly didn't help that Sed's phoenix were out of position.

In fact SuperNova was about to retreat again, then saw with his marine that the Phoenix' were on the other side of the map and knew the colossi or the nexus would be exposed.
Basically that fail movement by the phoenix' (and the scouting marine on the other side of the map!!) triggered that push and lost him the game instantly.. -_-
minsikko
Profile Joined April 2011
104 Posts
December 09 2011 05:00 GMT
#246
kiwikaki vs bling next!
https://twitter.com/minsikko
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 05:01:25
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#247
hmpf.. why not huk vs snute? -_-v
e: no offense, I just fucking hate PvP even tho I'm a P myself.
hsynneva
Profile Joined February 2010
Algeria46 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#248
Thank you for a good stream, only watch WCG because of sc2
Nony your the man!! Idra go home, ur not a progamer
noblegas
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore17 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#249
On December 09 2011 13:57 theBALLS wrote:
macsed is sase right?


I don't think so!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#250
On December 09 2011 13:58 lichter wrote:
I don't see why one would get Phoenix to counter viking in an bio ball. Phoenixes get outranged so they have to hover above the ball and get shot down even faster...

It could have worked if his Phoenix was not so out of position. Supernova spot the Phoenix down at 3 o'clock and decide to engage immidiately at the 11o'clock position. By the time the phoenix made it back only one Collossus remains
Terran
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#251
On December 09 2011 13:59 Incursus wrote:
I wonder, if MacSed's composition might have worked better in the hands of a superior player. I don't know why, but seeing Phoenix Colossus again got me thinking.

Supernova was infinitely ahead so it was pointless in that game, his army was bigger, composition more developed, better ups and he had his third much sooner than MacSed did so that game was going south no matter what. But I wonder if given different circumstances if that composition might not have been much stronger


I think it would have worked against tanks, but not versus bio (see my point above). Maybe with more phoenix harass...?
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VeNdetta-
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 05:02:29
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#252
Why did ToD leave? i just noticed, that he lost against Strelok and RedArchon, but won vs ClouD.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#253
On December 09 2011 14:01 noblegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:57 theBALLS wrote:
macsed is sase right?


I don't think so!

o yea he's not. Sase is streaming now :D
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
xtruder
Profile Joined October 2011
Afghanistan135 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#254
This is the reason Protoss never does anything fancy- it just gets raped by Terran. MacSed would have lasted a lot longer had he just gone for standard "boring" colossus deathball. I think he was expecting a 1/1/1 also and Terran EZPZ tech switched.

problem, terran?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
December 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#255
On December 09 2011 13:59 Incursus wrote:
I wonder, if MacSed's composition might have worked better in the hands of a superior player. I don't know why, but seeing Phoenix Colossus again got me thinking.

Supernova was infinitely ahead so it was pointless in that game, his army was bigger, composition more developed, better ups and he had his third much sooner than MacSed did so that game was going south no matter what. But I wonder if given different circumstances if that composition might not have been much stronger


I see it in a lot of PvT's from Korean streams lately, but the transition phase makes P almost as vulnerable as pre-storm HT's and if you go for a phoenix expand, many Terran timings can just straight up roll you because you're devoting so much gas early into a gimmicky offensive unit until you get colo out to hold your expo.

Regardless nice play from supernova, and I'm definitely still impressed by macsed, looking to get out of the group as well!
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hsynneva
Profile Joined February 2010
Algeria46 Posts
December 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#256
Yeah gief some snute stream
Nony your the man!! Idra go home, ur not a progamer
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#257
MacSed's build vs Fenix was a lot better I think
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#258
On December 09 2011 14:01 xtruder wrote:
This is the reason Protoss never does anything fancy- it just gets raped by Terran. MacSed would have lasted a lot longer had he just gone for standard "boring" colossus deathball. I think he was expecting a 1/1/1 also and Terran EZPZ tech switched.

problem, terran?

If it's so easy, try playing that at Supernova's level.
Hate that attitude.
Also Supernova never went for 1-1-1 but rax->fax->cc->2nd rax.
That's not even close to be 1-1-1.
mrlie3
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada350 Posts
December 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#259
On December 09 2011 14:01 xtruder wrote:
This is the reason Protoss never does anything fancy- it just gets raped by Terran. MacSed would have lasted a lot longer had he just gone for standard "boring" colossus deathball. I think he was expecting a 1/1/1 also and Terran EZPZ tech switched.

problem, terran?


His Phoenixes were waaay out of position when those Vikings demolished Colossi, nothing else. No need to discuss balance from this game. period.
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nt-rAven
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada405 Posts
December 09 2011 05:04 GMT
#260
supernova mid game transition, when to make buildingsm when to be safe, scouting, tactical decisions were all superior really outclassed in everyway, it wasn't a racial imbalance it was a player imbalance
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