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Same drill as usual:
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  • Excessive tournament bashing that detracts from game discussion will be met with moderator action. Criticism is welcome, whining is not.
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Enjoy the games guys.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4501
So glad Hasu struck HuK down from his high horse. Doing some nerd stomping Hasuobs did.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4502
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades


There is quite a lot of micro in PvP, but when colli get involved I think it becomes MOSTLY a luck game. You can't micro colli because you can't spare the DPS decrease moving your colli costs you. There is some pre battle prep, but ultimately it becomes "I hope my collis auto target well."
Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4503
On December 03 2011 09:04 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:03 RJGooner wrote:
Sigh..... I don't understand why Huk can beat MC and the like and lose to players like HasuObs and Elfi... makes zero sense to me.


Because Huk lived and practiced for MC for almost a year? He knows how MC plays. He doesn't know how HasuObs or Elfi plays.


Also, Elfi is amazing at PvP. On top of that, PvP is a really volatile matchup and so it's not always the best player that wins the round.

I haven't seen the games, but HasuObs isn't a terrible and PvP is PvP, so it's not THAT mind blowing imo.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4504
On December 03 2011 09:07 silentsaint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:06 mierin wrote:
Man Whitera looks different

its the hair mostly

And the bloodlust in his eyes.
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4505
North American Star League, and in top 8 we will have 4 Europeans, 3 Asians and Idra XD
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4506
On December 03 2011 09:06 jnc wrote:
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On December 03 2011 09:04 nvs. wrote:
Logged on to see Huk lost to HasuObs. What a glorious day. ^_________^

yeah, it totally is!! ... oh, you list yourself as "from Canada" sorry


Yessir. Vancouver.

Doesn't mean I have to like Huk >.>
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4507
On December 03 2011 09:05 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:44 pdd wrote:
So HasuObs = Huk's archilles heel?

PvP overall seems to be a problem for him lately (even though his pvp is pretty good). Losing vs elfi, naniwa, seiplo and now hasuobs

may add Titan and Inori
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4508
On December 03 2011 09:08 ondik wrote:
ok, tuned in 10 minutes ago and still nothing's going on. somebody tell me what's happening and if there already were some fuckups.

No it's been great so far and really smooth, dunno if they fucked something up now tho since last game was 10 minutes ago.
SaSe fan club manager
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4509
Man this bad manner from EG and mouse sports is really bad for esports, someone needs to step in and stop this before it escalates even further. I feel like NASL needs to do something about it, perhaps disqualify players from both teams or something along those lines.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4510
GUNRUN!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4511
Oh... the voice.. THE VOICE
@followMVT
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4512
Gunrun, the ultimate radio voice.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4513
Dat smooth silky voice.

I think I just jizzed my pantasauruses.
AvAri
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria135 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4514
On December 03 2011 09:05 Ubertron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:02 AvAri wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:57 Ubertron wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades

It's still incredibly monotonous and even though there is a lot of subtle positioning, none of it actually has any of the 'wow' factor as a spectator that good marine splitting, blink micro or a well executed 3-way flank from a Z. My current PvP is literally based around surviving to the lategame and getting double robo collosus with attack upgrades, they wipe out everything on the ground it's just silly.

As a Protoss player I really wanted this unit taken out of HoTS and replaced with a more mechanically interesting and strategic unit, but apparently that's not happening


this pvp sucks thing is really stuck in peoples heads... sad

in my opinion its far more interesting than zvz and tvt if it involves bio
pvp these days offers a lot of different openings and ways to play the midgame (all of them involve blink stalkers but well you have standards in every race)
the lategame army is often the same (and its rarly mass colossus like in the last game (in tournament play at least) but thats also pretty much the same with every other mu


whats more interesting is ofc opinionbased but saying pvp sucks and is always colossus-wars is just wrong

PvP is better than ZvZ imo, as the early and midgames ARE interesting and there are variations in compositions and it's an extremely micro-heavy matchup. Chargelot/Archon for example is super solid in the midgame, but there comes a point where it can't get engage well at all vs collosus blobs

Collosus is just a silly unit, game would be better without it, and that's coming from a Protoss player here



kinda true but a situation like in the last game i pretty rare (i cant really remember the last time i saw such big colossusbattles in tournament games)
and even that micro plays a huge role like we have seen in game 4 in that fight that almost brought huk the win
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4515
wooohooo its the gunrun show
"If you don't understand my silence, you won't understand my words"|| Big Nal_rA fan boy!! Nal_rA, Bisu, Huk, MC, Hero fighting! SKT1---->
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4516
Gunrun <3
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4517
Gunrun FIGHTING!
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4518
oh god gunrun's voice is like an orgasm to my ears
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4519
Gunrun ftw.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4520
Gunrun has a shuckle on his head. :D
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
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