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Enjoy the games guys.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4521
"the eastern european regions of the world" xD
Off-season = best season
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4522
On December 03 2011 09:05 Ubertron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:02 AvAri wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:57 Ubertron wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades

It's still incredibly monotonous and even though there is a lot of subtle positioning, none of it actually has any of the 'wow' factor as a spectator that good marine splitting, blink micro or a well executed 3-way flank from a Z. My current PvP is literally based around surviving to the lategame and getting double robo collosus with attack upgrades, they wipe out everything on the ground it's just silly.

As a Protoss player I really wanted this unit taken out of HoTS and replaced with a more mechanically interesting and strategic unit, but apparently that's not happening


this pvp sucks thing is really stuck in peoples heads... sad

in my opinion its far more interesting than zvz and tvt if it involves bio
pvp these days offers a lot of different openings and ways to play the midgame (all of them involve blink stalkers but well you have standards in every race)
the lategame army is often the same (and its rarly mass colossus like in the last game (in tournament play at least) but thats also pretty much the same with every other mu


whats more interesting is ofc opinionbased but saying pvp sucks and is always colossus-wars is just wrong

PvP is better than ZvZ imo, as the early and midgames ARE interesting and there are variations in compositions and it's an extremely micro-heavy matchup. Chargelot/Archon for example is super solid in the midgame, but there comes a point where it can't get engage well at all vs collosus blobs

Collosus is just a silly unit, game would be better without it, and that's coming from a Protoss player here


I played all three races. For a decent time(stuck with zerg now), my take on mirrors is:

TvT - The best to watch. The most stressful to play(but I loved it, it was my favorite Tv matchup.)
ZvZ - Shitty to watch early game but from the midgame it is pretty fucking decent, specially with the variety of styles, the new Muta/Baneling/Ling heavy pressure style is really cool to use(but very frail) and Infestor play make it very harass heavy. (Infested Terrans are good)
PvP - Shitty to watch early game, but better than ZvZ, if it goes to collo wars it gets boring to watch and to play, it can be as frustrating as TvT tank wars and ZvZ ling/bling wars.

TvT > ZvZ > PvP. My two cents.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4523
oh sweet, a kingdom of loathing tshirt
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4524
On December 03 2011 09:08 Bulkers wrote:
North American Star League, and in top 8 we will have 4 Europeans, 3 Asians and Idra XD


Mother of God. faint
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4525
gunrun has such a good voice lol
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4526
Luckily, Thegunrun's voice and personality saves ESPORTS and continental rivalries
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4527
Eastern European regions of the world, really?
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 00:09:28
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4528
as far is im concerned thegunrun is making this thing good
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4529
ooooo the journey. Games please
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4530
On December 03 2011 09:05 Ubertron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:02 AvAri wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:57 Ubertron wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades

It's still incredibly monotonous and even though there is a lot of subtle positioning, none of it actually has any of the 'wow' factor as a spectator that good marine splitting, blink micro or a well executed 3-way flank from a Z. My current PvP is literally based around surviving to the lategame and getting double robo collosus with attack upgrades, they wipe out everything on the ground it's just silly.

As a Protoss player I really wanted this unit taken out of HoTS and replaced with a more mechanically interesting and strategic unit, but apparently that's not happening


this pvp sucks thing is really stuck in peoples heads... sad

in my opinion its far more interesting than zvz and tvt if it involves bio
pvp these days offers a lot of different openings and ways to play the midgame (all of them involve blink stalkers but well you have standards in every race)
the lategame army is often the same (and its rarly mass colossus like in the last game (in tournament play at least) but thats also pretty much the same with every other mu


whats more interesting is ofc opinionbased but saying pvp sucks and is always colossus-wars is just wrong

PvP is better than ZvZ imo, as the early and midgames ARE interesting and there are variations in compositions and it's an extremely micro-heavy matchup. Chargelot/Archon for example is super solid in the midgame, but there comes a point where it can't get engage well at all vs collosus blobs

Collosus is just a silly unit, game would be better without it, and that's coming from a Protoss player here


Whether somebody prefers PvP or ZvZ, it's just a matter of personal taste.
Both matchups can be brilliant if played right, both matchups can be horrible and go awry quickly if played wrong,
and in both matchups there is something like a build order win to a certain degree.
pulperi
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland87 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4531
the sweet voice of the gunrun
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4532
that gunrun's voice, smooth like butter
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4533
hearing gunrun's voice is amazing, its like the first time i heard the beatles
www.root-gaming.com
Zeromadcowz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada241 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4534
I love Gunrun so much
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4535
On December 03 2011 09:08 ondik wrote:
ok, tuned in 10 minutes ago and still nothing's going on. somebody tell me what's happening and if there already were some fuckups.

75 min HoN made it start a bit later. Plenty of... hilarious/sad(depending on your view) production fuckups, some delays for no obvious reason.
CeThoR
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany53 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4536
the gunruns voice always freaks me out...
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4537
On December 03 2011 09:08 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:05 TimoS1703 wrote:
what are they doing - wanted to go to bed 1,5h ago when i saw the nasl stream - saw two games since then...

That's your fellow germans fault tho for taking so long to kill Huk.


that slow painful death was a little bit more enjoyable than what we are "watching" right now ;-)
It really tied the room together.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4538
These intro videos are so... fucking... bad... Holy... Tits...
Fandango
Profile Joined October 2011
291 Posts
December 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4539
My god Gretorp you knew people would be listening to this and you didn't re-record it?
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
December 03 2011 00:10 GMT
#4540
On December 03 2011 09:08 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Man this bad manner from EG and mouse sports is really bad for esports, someone needs to step in and stop this before it escalates even further. I feel like NASL needs to do something about it, perhaps disqualify players from both teams or something along those lines.


Banter that creates a rivalry is far from bad, its incredibly good and needed.
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