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Enjoy the games guys.
TimoS1703
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany250 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4481
what are they doing - wanted to go to bed 1,5h ago when i saw the nasl stream - saw two games since then...
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4482
On December 03 2011 09:03 Striker.superfreunde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:02 dmans wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:59 Serpico wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:59 jmbthirteen wrote:

On December 03 2011 08:50 jnc wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:45 Kira__ wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:43 Count9 wrote:
europe 1 - 0 usa


huk is korean


"huk is South Korean"
"huk is America"
"huk is Canadian"
...
I'm gonna call huk "South Canadian" from now on...


But you are missing one. He's United South Canadian

Huk is every nationality on Earth.

huk the earthling


Captain Planet! :O


HUK IS BRAZILIAN YES! Finally someone to cheer! Wait what?
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26605 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4483
On December 03 2011 09:02 AvAri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:57 Ubertron wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades

It's still incredibly monotonous and even though there is a lot of subtle positioning, none of it actually has any of the 'wow' factor as a spectator that good marine splitting, blink micro or a well executed 3-way flank from a Z. My current PvP is literally based around surviving to the lategame and getting double robo collosus with attack upgrades, they wipe out everything on the ground it's just silly.

As a Protoss player I really wanted this unit taken out of HoTS and replaced with a more mechanically interesting and strategic unit, but apparently that's not happening


this pvp sucks thing is really stuck in peoples heads... sad

in my opinion its far more interesting than zvz and tvt if it involves bio
pvp these days offers a lot of different openings and ways to play the midgame (all of them involve blink stalkers but well you have standards in every race)
the lategame army is often the same (and its rarly mass colossus like in the last game (in tournament play at least) but thats also pretty much the same with every other mu


whats more interesting is ofc opinionbased but saying pvp sucks and is always colossus-wars is just wrong

PvP is better than ZvZ imo, as the early and midgames ARE interesting and there are variations in compositions and it's an extremely micro-heavy matchup. Chargelot/Archon for example is super solid in the midgame, but there comes a point where it can't get engage well at all vs collosus blobs

Collosus is just a silly unit, game would be better without it, and that's coming from a Protoss player here
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
CaptainApe
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany100 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4484
On December 03 2011 08:51 Mpq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:49 TeePee wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:47 Rammstorm wrote:
HuK seem to have been profiting from being at the EG team house....


What'd you expect when your practice partner for PvP is iNcontrol...


OH SNAP!


And who is hasus practice partner? ;P


mostly Socke afaik
"These marines must be Americans...there's no health insurance for them,." dApollo
AvAri
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria135 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4485
On December 03 2011 09:04 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:03 RJGooner wrote:
Sigh..... I don't understand why Huk can beat MC and the like and lose to players like HasuObs and Elfi... makes zero sense to me.


Because Huk lived and practiced for MC for almost a year? He knows how MC plays. He doesn't know how HasuObs or Elfi plays.


hasu played a completly different style than whats standart in korea right now
looked like huk wasnt prepared for that oldschool pvp
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
December 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#4486
On December 03 2011 08:44 pdd wrote:
So HasuObs = Huk's archilles heel?

PvP overall seems to be a problem for him lately (even though his pvp is pretty good). Losing vs elfi, naniwa, seiplo and now hasuobs
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 03 2011 00:06 GMT
#4487
at this rate idra should be on by the time i wake up, not complaining tbh
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 03 2011 00:06 GMT
#4488
Man Whitera looks different
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 03 2011 00:06 GMT
#4489
On December 03 2011 09:04 nvs. wrote:
Logged on to see Huk lost to HasuObs. What a glorious day. ^_________^

yeah, it totally is!! ... oh, you list yourself as "from Canada" sorry
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 00:06:56
December 03 2011 00:06 GMT
#4490
On December 03 2011 09:06 mierin wrote:
Man Whitera looks different

he's been hitting the gym lately
Stork[gm]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 03 2011 00:06 GMT
#4491
these delays are really bad for eu time =( wanted to see sen play, but I won't last til 2:30 in the morning, if they keep up this pace (
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4492
On December 03 2011 09:04 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:02 AvAri wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:57 Ubertron wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:55 Ruscour wrote:
On December 03 2011 08:51 Lavi wrote:
people really enjoyed those colossus wars? well its prob just me but i found it boring and skill less.. i hope pvp doesn't end like that >.>

It's not skill-less at all. Control in those fights is absolutely insanely taxing. It's not like ZvZ where whoever has the better Roach concave wins, you are:

- forcefielding off Zealots around Archons
- using Archons to break forcefields
- Blinking Stalkers out of melee range
- Blinking Stalkers to pick off Colossus
- focus firing Immortals on Stalkers/Colossus
- spreading out units so opposing Colossus don't do too much AoE
- focus firing Colossus on clumped units
- warping in units, which unlike the other races directly takes you away from the battle as you can't do it just from hotkeys, you need to move the camera and click a bunch
- chronoboosting gateways/robo/upgrades

It's still incredibly monotonous and even though there is a lot of subtle positioning, none of it actually has any of the 'wow' factor as a spectator that good marine splitting, blink micro or a well executed 3-way flank from a Z. My current PvP is literally based around surviving to the lategame and getting double robo collosus with attack upgrades, they wipe out everything on the ground it's just silly.

As a Protoss player I really wanted this unit taken out of HoTS and replaced with a more mechanically interesting and strategic unit, but apparently that's not happening


this pvp sucks thing is really stuck in peoples heads... sad

in my opinion its far more interesting than zvz and tvt if it involves bio
pvp these days offers a lot of different openings and ways to play the midgame (all of them involve blink stalkers but well you have standards in every race)
the lategame army is often the same (and its rarly mass colossus like in the last game (in tournament play at least) but thats also pretty much the same with every other mu


whats more interesting is ofc opinionbased but saying pvp sucks and is always colossus-wars is just wrong


I agree. I think in the last few months PvP has been SOOOO much better than ZvZ, and TvT often hinges too much on a 1 second mistake(not having your tanks sieged up against bio) that turns even the most dominating game into an instant loss.

Well I mean PvP is just as unforgiving with mistakes, it's just TvT is a lot of the time a lot more action packed so it forces more mistakes(which I'd still say are a lot less devastating, since I mean not being sieged is not anything close to a small mistake)
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4493
dat downtime :{
Liquid.Hero Startale.Bomber MVP.Dongraegu
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4494
On December 03 2011 09:06 mierin wrote:
Man Whitera looks different

its the hair mostly
It really tied the room together.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4495
On December 03 2011 09:06 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 09:06 mierin wrote:
Man Whitera looks different

he hit the gym lately


They were trying to troll husky in believing that dimaga is actually whitera.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
R4c0N
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany30 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4496
anyone knows when the next game is supposed to start?
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4497
So did they just decide to quit the entrances after the first two disasters?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
HigoSeco
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile232 Posts
December 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#4498
what? they are already in the booths? I hope they still get to do the red carpet intros
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4499
ok, tuned in 10 minutes ago and still nothing's going on. somebody tell me what's happening and if there already were some fuckups.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
December 03 2011 00:08 GMT
#4500
On December 03 2011 09:05 TimoS1703 wrote:
what are they doing - wanted to go to bed 1,5h ago when i saw the nasl stream - saw two games since then...

That's your fellow germans fault tho for taking so long to kill Huk.
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