EPTIn Broodwar, it was defended by siege tanks. In SC2, Terrans don't get siege tanks so they can't really outrange Stalkers. They have to move out to attack, but are at the mercy of forcefields.
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
In Broodwar, it was defended by siege tanks. In SC2, Terrans don't get siege tanks so they can't really outrange Stalkers. They have to move out to attack, but are at the mercy of forcefields. | ||
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
I liked the second game better than the first but only because of Oz's decision to do something instead of nothing with his warp prism after jakjii scouted it | ||
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:52 TeeTS wrote: The Placement of the Bunker and the Techlab was horrible. If he places the bunker more centered and the techlab inside his main, while adding a 2nd and a 3rd bunker when he sees the push coming he should be able to hold this. Was a big failure by jjakji. But isn't it interesting that 3gates pump out a stronger army than 4rax? :-) When half of your army get FF and fight the main army... + Guardian shield... and another point... When your army of 50 mineral unit fight after Sentry and stalkers which are really gas heavy units and cost way more... | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
Yes, that's the first sign that he's new, he still has his sanity :-p (But if you've ever been in a LR thread before you should know who Asha is, because he's one of the few people whose posts don't make you want to abandon society and live in a shack on a mountain somewhere.) @the poll numbers -- it's just a popularity contest, basically. The games were pretty much the same situation, but Oz is more popular, so when he wins it's recommended. Granted if Jjakji won in an entertaining or epic game, that would probably get good votes too, but still. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:52 TeeTS wrote: The Placement of the Bunker and the Techlab was horrible. If he places the bunker more centered and the techlab inside his main, while adding a 2nd and a 3rd bunker when he sees the push coming he should be able to hold this. Was a big failure by jjakji. But isn't it interesting that 3gates pump out a stronger army than 4rax? :-) jjakji mainly had rines vs a stalker/sentry/zealot army | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:53 MrCon wrote: Hero's anti 111 build on dual sight was a beautiful thing. Don't know how it would fare vs a not 111 build tho. Pretty sure it dies straight up to MVP's 2-1 build | ||
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:53 Zzoram wrote: Tasteless is still right. Terrans shouldn't wall against Protoss in most cases. Just like in Broodwar, the Stalker/Dragoon can poke the wall without the Terran being able to defend it. In Broodwar, it was defended by siege tanks. In SC2, Terrans don't get siege tanks so they can't really outrange Stalkers. They have to move out to attack, but are at the mercy of forcefields. But unlike in BW you can hold off early stalker aggression with a bunker with marines unlike goon pressure where you needed to repair the bunker until tanks come out | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:52 Xacalite wrote: gotta hate the 1a. gotta love the warpprism and Oz because its the only time you see it in action. there are the upvotes. so because Oz was greedy as fuck and jjakji had a way better army and was able to 1a over Oz, its the terran 1a'ing that made the game bad... I think it was more of Oz's play, this coming from an Oz fan. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:52 TeeTS wrote: The Placement of the Bunker and the Techlab was horrible. If he places the bunker more centered and the techlab inside his main, while adding a 2nd and a 3rd bunker when he sees the push coming he should be able to hold this. Was a big failure by jjakji. But isn't it interesting that 3gates pump out a stronger army than 4rax? :-) you're pretty funny, you know? Doing that will completely change the game, where it goes to the fact that toss will not see the tech lab and do another build altogether. | ||
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CreationSoul
Romania231 Posts
I want to see a non TvT final so bad..... anyway, hame 1 was better than game 2. hope all the remaining games will be epic | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:53 Zzoram wrote: Tasteless is still right. Terrans shouldn't wall against Protoss in most cases. Just like in Broodwar, the Stalker/Dragoon can poke the wall without the Terran being able to defend it. In Broodwar, it was defended by siege tanks. In SC2, Terrans don't get siege tanks so they can't really outrange Stalkers. They have to move out to attack, but are at the mercy of forcefields. Yeah, I agree. I don't really watch Brood War very much, but the Bulldog tactic was very effective until Terrans grab siege tech. Its a similar situation really. Instead of Dragoons being impossible to kill with bio if properly controlled, Terrans will be at the risk of his army being forcefielded. Anything to make mech more viable or make early game situation more interesting. Of course, marines have equal range in bunkers however, unlike BW counterparts. To be honest I think they need to reintroduce back range upgrade for marines. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37098 Posts
 Jjakjivs  Ozon Dual Sight Jjakji at bottom left Oz at top right First 5 minutes FFS, finally Jjakji opens up standard. Rax + gas Oz opens standard as well. Hallelujah..... Jjakji hits a factory Jjakji hitting 2nd gas Oz hitting dual nex Jjakji hitting 1-1-1 | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:55 CreationSoul wrote: I think terran being OP at release really hurt a lot. Whenever i see a PvT or ZvT, i just can't help but root for the non-terran. I want to see a non TvT final so bad..... anyway, hame 1 was better than game 2. hope all the remaining games will be epic is it weird that I feel the same even though I play terran? lol | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:53 dormer wrote: Yes, that's the first sign that he's new, he still has his sanity :-p (But if you've ever been in a LR thread before you should know who Asha is, because he's one of the few people whose posts don't make you want to abandon society and live in a shack on a mountain somewhere.) @the poll numbers -- it's just a popularity contest, basically. The games were pretty much the same situation, but Oz is more popular, so when he wins it's recommended. Granted if Jjakji won in an entertaining or epic game, that would probably get good votes too, but still. I don't really think its a popularity contest. The protoss played very badly the first game, therefore no surprise it was a giant 'NO'. However, the second game was pretty good, as Oz made use of every unit to crush his opponent. Obs/warp prism for high ground vision, Stalkers to pick off stuff and those sick FF. | ||
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