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purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
November 26 2011 11:03 GMT
#881
To bad for Nani and Sase. Sase losing to nightend I did not expect, but Nani losing to DRG was hardly unexpected.

Nani probably also feels somewhat satisfied from MLG. His game has not been on par this DH simple as that.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#882
So is the next round Bo3 or Bo5? Sorry if I've missed it somewhere
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#883
day9 is alive
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#884
On November 26 2011 19:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results



MVP plays safe and has siege tanks. Nobody else is as consistent as he is and even then he doesn't win everything he attends.

Nobody wins everything they attend. Not in sc2, and not in sc1, but you should check out MVP's recent tourny results and give me an example from sc1 that shows a greater consistency.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#885
Liquid'HerO time. LET'S GOOO
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
November 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#886
The stream window gets displaced for me, I can only see 1/4 of the screen.. rest is black. This happens in all browsers, all my computers, all 3 streams. How do I fix this?
Playgu
slimbo1
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany228 Posts
November 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#887
On November 26 2011 20:03 purpose wrote:
To bad for Nani and Sase. Sase losing to nightend I did not expect, but Nani losing to DRG was hardly unexpected.

Nani probably also feels somewhat satisfied from MLG. His game has not been on par this DH simple as that.


sounds like a professional attitude
Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
November 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#888
Hopeing for a DRG vs Hero/Huk finals but dont really see them doin much better than Naniwa. Such a shame Nani went out, but he didnt really play very good.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#889
On November 26 2011 20:04 archonOOid wrote:
day9 is alive

Where? Just splash screens all over, except for the TB stream to me.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
November 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#890
On November 26 2011 20:00 hifriend wrote:
Aw nani out. Can anyone give me a short recap of the games?


First map, Nani FFE on Shakuras, DRG went Leenock style but Nani scouted the no expo and from then on was easy for him.

Second map, Nani went for +1 zealot play but DRG fended it off easily. Nani switched to 2 stargates and pumped voids, but it got scouted and they did no damage, while DRG attacked with roach/lings and ended the game.

Third game, Nani went for warp prism sentry drop on cross map Antiga. He got it scouted and executed it terribly. DRG pushed relentlessly with ling/roach, and with Nani with his back against the wall, DRG switched to mutas and ended the game.
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
November 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#891
On November 26 2011 20:00 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 19:56 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results


1-4 MMA
0-2 MC
2-1 Haypro (barely)
0-2 Leenock

Nestea looked extremely mortal at MLG and MVP was far from a god. Neither of them have posted enough results to be anywhere near the level of dominance that some of the Brood War pros maintained.


flash loses too every once in a while, do we call broodwar volatile?

Look at MVP achievements. He got #1 or #2 on EVERY TOURNAMENT he participated in except MLG providence over the last 4-5 months, with a stunning 11 gold metal and 3 silver over his career with most of them being heavy and competitive games. How is this volatile and not consistent?

Give it a couple of months and it will be as random as a coin flip. SC2 skill level is so low compared to BW especially since most of the strategies and game sense were already known before the release (unlike in BW where it was a totally new way of playing).

Aren't you noticing how foreigners are catching up slowly but surely? Nestea is having mixed results lately as well, MVP is the only player one step above the rest, and that will soon change as well because there's just nothing to 'figure out'. Also being good mechanically gives you a slight edge over your opponent, but nowhere near the advantage it did in BW.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
November 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#892
Isn't Sheth a ZvP specialist? I didn't see the ToD game and the Naniwa series was a throwaway.
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
November 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#893
HerO! Liquid killing specialist.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
November 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#894
Since Hero always team kill I expect him to take this series from Sheth. Ill cheer fo sheth though!!
4649!!
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
November 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#895
On November 26 2011 20:06 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Isn't Sheth a ZvP specialist? I didn't see the ToD game and the Naniwa series was a throwaway.


I thought he was abysmal against Tod ><
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
November 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#896
On November 26 2011 20:00 hifriend wrote:
Aw nani out. Can anyone give me a short recap of the games?


1) DRG went for a one base 7rr vs the ffe of nani, nani does 3 photons and a stargate, drg will die so he gg

2) nani tries to do a 2 base agression with zealots to damage drg 3rd base, drg scouts every pylons and destroys them, nani loses his zealots without doing much damage. meanwhile, he does 6 voids in his main. then he tries to attack drg with the 6 voids while taking a 3rd, a zergling spots the 6 voids, drg makes lots of spores and uses his queens, nani voids are useless, drg meanwhile attacks nani 3rd and cancels it, makes mutas, gg

3)normal game, nani does a warp prisme, spotted, does no damage with his sentries, takes a 3rd base, techs to colossus, drg attacks nani and does mutas behind. nani holds his 3rd base but loses a lot of units, drg mutas arrive, nani doesnt have enough stalkers and photons, gg
Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
November 26 2011 11:08 GMT
#897
On November 26 2011 20:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 19:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results



MVP plays safe and has siege tanks. Nobody else is as consistent as he is and even then he doesn't win everything he attends.

Nobody wins everything they attend. Not in sc2, and not in sc1, but you should check out MVP's recent tourny results and give me an example from sc1 that shows a greater consistency.


The reason is simple, SC2 pros are not very good.

User was temp banned for this post.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2011 11:08 GMT
#898
On November 26 2011 20:08 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results



MVP plays safe and has siege tanks. Nobody else is as consistent as he is and even then he doesn't win everything he attends.

Nobody wins everything they attend. Not in sc2, and not in sc1, but you should check out MVP's recent tourny results and give me an example from sc1 that shows a greater consistency.


The reason is simple, SC2 pros are not very good.


get out of this thread thanks
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 11:11:12
November 26 2011 11:09 GMT
#899
On November 26 2011 20:06 Poisonblack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:00 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:56 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results


1-4 MMA
0-2 MC
2-1 Haypro (barely)
0-2 Leenock

Nestea looked extremely mortal at MLG and MVP was far from a god. Neither of them have posted enough results to be anywhere near the level of dominance that some of the Brood War pros maintained.


flash loses too every once in a while, do we call broodwar volatile?

Look at MVP achievements. He got #1 or #2 on EVERY TOURNAMENT he participated in except MLG providence over the last 4-5 months, with a stunning 11 gold metal and 3 silver over his career with most of them being heavy and competitive games. How is this volatile and not consistent?

Give it a couple of months and it will be as random as a coin flip. SC2 skill level is so low compared to BW especially since most of the strategies and game sense were already known before the release (unlike in BW where it was a totally new way of playing).

Aren't you noticing how foreigners are catching up slowly but surely? Nestea is having mixed results lately as well, MVP is the only player one step above the rest, and that will soon change as well because there's just nothing to 'figure out'. Also being good mechanically gives you a slight edge over your opponent, but nowhere near the advantage it did in BW.


yeah, I'm sure you've said the exact same thing 6 months ago. You're delusional if you think starcraft2 is nearly "figured out" when we still see alot of critical mistakes even by the highest tier of pro. There's not someone yet that can even come close to control their army perfectly, let alone any developments in strategy that'll one day pop up such as DT/cosairs, queens transfuse, raven, warp prism etc.

Sorry to say, but MVP status isn't going to be overcome anytime soon unless he slumps himself. 4-5 months period of domination is not "coinflip". In fact, we're seeing a shift in meta even in GSL from a more terran centric game to a more protoss centric.

"Foreigners" are also not going to catch up to Koreans anytime soon. There'll be a few that can compete with some of them, but not any of them are really capable of consistently getting above GSL ro8, or even ro16 yet

Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 11:10:29
November 26 2011 11:09 GMT
#900
On November 26 2011 20:08 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:08 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:52 iky43210 wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:47 dcemuser wrote:
On November 26 2011 19:42 happyness wrote:
Was not expecting Nani to be so out classed. Nani crushed DRG at MLG....


Just live your life by these two rules and you'll rarely be disappointed in a player:
1. Bo3s rarely determine the truth
2. SC2 is volatile as hell.


I never understands how people say sc2 is volatile as hell then you have MVP who wins almost everything he attended and nestea/few other players that always have consistent results



MVP plays safe and has siege tanks. Nobody else is as consistent as he is and even then he doesn't win everything he attends.

Nobody wins everything they attend. Not in sc2, and not in sc1, but you should check out MVP's recent tourny results and give me an example from sc1 that shows a greater consistency.


The reason is simple, SC2 pros are not very good.


get out of this thread thanks

Why so mad? That's pretty much the fact. Try give arguements first plz.
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