EPTAs for his strategies vs Naniwa, he did early aggression to counter Nexus first forge expand every game. Naniwa needs to learn a few more PvZ builds before he can become a champion. Leenock used 3 different aggressive openings to beat Naniwa, and each time took steps to prevent scouting. Naniwa barely tried to scout.
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
As for his strategies vs Naniwa, he did early aggression to counter Nexus first forge expand every game. Naniwa needs to learn a few more PvZ builds before he can become a champion. Leenock used 3 different aggressive openings to beat Naniwa, and each time took steps to prevent scouting. Naniwa barely tried to scout. | ||
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MrCon
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africanus
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On November 21 2011 13:19 Jeremy Reimer wrote: Well, I would say that the issue is not completely solved one way or another. If Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player of all time because of his natural talent, why was he cut from his high school team? When people asked him about this, he said: "I think that not making the Varsity team drove me to really work at my game, and also taught me that if you set goals, and work hard to achieve them—the hard work can pay off." I've read some biographies that indicate that Jordan practiced harder than almost anyone else. He never stopped trying to improve, even after he won a championship. In hockey, Wayne Gretzky spent every single evening as a child outside the house on a frozen rink his father made refining his shot. In the NHL he continued to practice more than most other pros. Sidney Crosby is known to be the first on the ice in practice and the last off. Similarly, in Brood War, we have Jaedong, who once admitted that prior to his first OSL win against Stork that he "practiced so much that his eyes bled". I remember another interview with Jaedong where a teammate was surprised that he continued to practice even though nobody else on the team was (it was a day off) and Jaedong just looked at him and said: "You don't understand. I have to do this." Then there's Flash, who practiced so much that he got carpal tunnel in his wrists. If "talent" was really the reason the very top pros did better than their teammates, why would there be so many stories about top pros practicing more than anyone else, even than their teammates? Why wouldn't they just coast on their talent, practicing a minimal amount, and just watch the money roll in forever? I know one player who tried that. His name was FruitDealer. Michael Jordan was cut because he was a 9th grader trying out for the senior team. But your point that talent and hard work BOTH are necessary to become the absolute best is well made. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Nani in code S ! Hahaha yeah ! :D | ||
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Qaatar
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On November 21 2011 13:19 bRiz wrote: Koreans are incredibly nationalistic, just like everyone else in the world. I do remember Seoul receiving a warning from the UN about nationalistic views though. And after living here for quite awhile, you definitely see and experience it, though you'd get a similar experience moving to the southern US. It's something that makes working with my Korean co-workers difficult at times, because I never accept their views, I always fight them, haha. It's mostly the older generation though, the younger ones are generally more informed. Also, I suspect a great many posters here are posting about Koreans while actually never having lived in Korea. You really can't support either stance in that case. Great finals though, Leenock really earned it! The original point of argument isn't nationalism, but rather, the existence of BW elitism amongst Koreans who believe that they're naturally superior. There's a difference between being nationalistic and prideful about one's country of origin, and thus crying as a result of a loss (i.e. Tossgirl), and believing that one is actually inherently better at BW due to country of origin. The two aren't mutually exclusive, sure, but they're also not inclusive either. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
You think Messi doesn't train? You're crazy. He's madly talented but he needs to be fit and understand the game at both a cognitive and physical level in order to exploit that talent. You think Flash would win anything were he a slacker? You're retarded. He probably trains and works harder that 99% of all other progamers. He's better than other people who train as much, because he's got potential, aka talent, but talent is nothing without hard work behind it. Champions are built upon a certain base, they aren't just born. There's no such thing as being a dragonborn in real life people, what the hell are you all smoking. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:12 Kharnage wrote: Nestea attempted what Leenock did with a 10pool and proved that it's not early enough. Having seen that earlier in the tournament probably explains why Leenock went 6 pool. When you consider the high level ZvP's naniwa had played this weekend it's not suprising that Leenock had enough information to work out a strategy to take him down. Naniwa should have changed his build, or even gone for something super cheesy in game 3 when he had less to lose and everything to win. Naniwa is known for having such a strong and abusive 4-gate I'm a little surprised he didn't go for broke at least once, just to show that he was capable of it. | ||
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Quiescence
Canada33 Posts
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StarStruck
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Qaatar
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On November 21 2011 13:26 Quiescence wrote: Go Nani。 More race diversity in GSL code S is never a bad thing. Hopefully that'll cause a few vT specialists to drop down :D There are actually a hell of a lot of Terrans in Code S who are relatively bad at TvP. It's actually quite ironic and hilarious at the same time. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:20 GinDo wrote: Nani has great builds, that's about it. Once the opponent find a hole he falls apart. Really? His execution seems pretty sick as well. I don't know how incredibly flexible he is, as was shown in the DRG games, but he seems to execute his game plans very well. I also think his IN GAME flexibility is actually very good. It's his between game flexibility that could use work. | ||
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Quiescence
Canada33 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:27 Qaatar wrote: There are actually a hell of a lot of Terrans in Code S who are relatively bad at TvP. It's actually quite ironic and hilarious at the same time. Yeah haha, It's because PvPs just keep on killing good all around protoss players :S I'm looking at you Inca... | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:11 Jemesatui wrote: Koreans are and always will be better than foreigners in sc2 because of their culture. The argument is a matter if potential, and the cultures capacity to exploit this to reach the best possible results. America does not have this capacity, hence foreigners training in Korea. Nothing to do with genes, IQ or any other dumb suggestions people keep throwing. Koreans hold a sense of pride for being the e-sports nation, just like Americans like to think they are the 'land of opportunity' and the biggest super power. The difference is, Korea is the e sports nation, and America will soon fall behind china in military and economic power... Korea have embraced e sports, while America never will, as being rich, powerful and high on the social heirarchy has been Ingrained into their culture. Dumbest post ever, and its clear you have no idea how the esports scene developed in korea. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:27 StarStruck wrote: I think you guys are still making way too much of Leenock's age; there are many examples of players blossoming at his age. The younger the better and Leenock's mechanics will only continue to improve. It's personal for me. Leenock is half my age and I will never be even half as good as the little butter-baller. | ||
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ptz
Romania251 Posts
Now practicing hard, working hard, this is the big deal. The reason why i think many koreans are at the top, and why the dominate the scenes has also to do with their culture as someone above stated. Working hard is in their culture, they are being pushed very hard by their parents, they are very proud and the need to succeed is inoculated to them since they are young. Hence why they are willing to work so much. Remember all those students suiciding around exams? They are being pushed so hard and the need to succeed is rooted so deep that they simply crack under the pressure. I would call this a cultural thing, dont know if its good or bad, it can be both, but its how i see the korean way atm. Its different for euros and americans. In our cultures, we are told from infancy that we are special, that everything we do is just lovely, bla bla. I think you know what im talking about, its a different way of parenting now. Kids are put in some kind of shrine, given everything and not taught to work for it - i know it sounds like a silly generalisation, and it is, some parents still dont do this and hold to the more "oldschool" ways of parenting. But in Europe and America, people will simply not choose to work as hard for something so elusive. There will be a select few, talented and willing to put in the work, the Idras, Naniwas and Huks, but too few to contend with the multitude of koreans. Hope i wont get flamed or be called racist, its just my explanation for the korean domination in esports  | ||
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ETisME
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On November 21 2011 13:05 Wallstreet11 wrote: Wow where should I even start... First of all. When the SCBW pros makes the transition. Is it still not gonna be a pride thing in your eyes? Secondly. Do you buy all what for example commercials say also?... On the outside all koreans are mannered and people rage on those who speak their mind or shows any negative emotions. When you watch streams here on TL when foreigners play koreans BM is pretty common. Idra who is one of those who speaks freely has said many times that the korean scene is so cuddly and mannered on the surface but that there are much BM in reality. I mean come on, OF COURSE they have huge pride and ego when it comes to SC2. The original game pretty much was 99% korean dominated... It´s natural that they think that SC2 is their territory as well. This is why I see them as the top dogs and I think the community in general regards them as that... which makes beating them even more fun. The greater the climb... The bigger the fall. Another example: Why do you think such a big part of the world dislikes USA? Do you think it is because they literally have been mugged by an actual american or that it has to do with their attitude and how they see themselves? ummm...what? all koreans are mannered? do you not see all the BMs that they do in game/after a win? Do you read the interviews? Nestea, MC, DRG etc are all pretty much very offensive to their opponent and often brag about balance.. They even have a Kr version of CombatEX on Kr server rofl And Idra said SC2 kr players show more emotions than BW players did. So no, I don't just see the outside, I actually go and learn about the inside as well. In comparison....you? You just based your opinion and argument upon your own assumption and ideology lol Me, as part of the community consider they are top dog simply because they are better than most of the pros from elsewhere. Not because they are Koreans. You know they have good and bad korean progamers too? P.S. There are many different reasons why the world can dislike USA. I don't see how it is related at all, I personally dislike USA is because they spent more than what they can earn and just keep making loans+print money to keep them up. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:29 DamageControL wrote: Really? His execution seems pretty sick as well. I don't know how incredibly flexible he is, as was shown in the DRG games, but he seems to execute his game plans very well. I also think his IN GAME flexibility is actually very good. It's his between game flexibility that could use work. His execution is also top-tier. I'd say he, HuK, and MC truly are top3 protoss control. He did seem to rely on aggressively economic builds to gain a strong early lead in PvZ though. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:20 surda wrote: So what's the reason there are no good Australian players/events? Because there are more TEXANS than there are Australians yet Australia is the 6th biggest counrry in the world? Because our internet is terrible? Because most of the country is obsessing about cricket or one of the footy codes? Take your pick. | ||
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Elurie
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On November 21 2011 13:33 Kharnage wrote: Because there are more TEXANS than there are Australians yet Australia is the 6th biggest counrry in the world? Because our internet is terrible? Because most of the country is obsessing about cricket or one of the footy codes? Take your pick. What is a footy code? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:33 Kharnage wrote: Because there are more TEXANS than there are Australians yet Australia is the 6th biggest counrry in the world? Because our internet is terrible? Because most of the country is obsessing about cricket or one of the footy codes? Take your pick. And it's warm outside. Nothing motivates you to stay home and play Starcraft like a Canadian winter. | ||
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